Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?

2015-06-22 Thread Martijn Berger
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Campbell Barton ideasma...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Does this mean we still support MSVC2012?


If you build all the libs blender still compiles with this as far as I am
aware


 Does it use the same libs as MSVC2013?


No ABI is not the same


 Seems we already dropped 2008.
 http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2014-June/043807.html
 https://developer.blender.org/D715


Yes, thx for finding that.. that is what i referred to when saying I think
some people actually started cleaning up work-arounds for ancient MSVC


 However its not great to have to trawl old messages to know about
 supported compilers.


Yes, that is my fault. I will look at wiki.


 Added a section in the wiki for this (OSX needs versions filled in)


 http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender#Compiler_Versions



I think we should also consider dropping GCC 4.2 on apple as it would
quality as the lowest common denominator and Apple seems to peruse a pretty
aggressive upgrade campaign with OS X yearly releases.


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Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?

2015-06-21 Thread Campbell Barton
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Martijn Berger
martijn.ber...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Campbell,

 I think some people actually started cleaning up work-arounds for ancient
 MSVC 's not sure if 2008 still builds.
 I think of all pre 2012 versions as ancient and to broken to want to
 support. Whole reason for doing MSVC 2013 work was to move up the lowest
 common denominator for everyone.

 I would like to propose officially abandoning 2005, 2008, 2010 versions of
 MSVC.

 Martijn

Does this mean we still support MSVC2012?
Does it use the same libs as MSVC2013?

Seems we already dropped 2008.
http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2014-June/043807.html
https://developer.blender.org/D715

However its not great to have to trawl old messages to know about
supported compilers.

Added a section in the wiki for this (OSX needs versions filled in)

http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender#Compiler_Versions
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Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?

2015-06-20 Thread Jeffrey
 From what I recall of that time period, MSVC 2010 was dropped because 
support was never fully developed. Development favored 2013. Now that 
we've got 2013 established, I see no reason to go backwards. I don't 
remember if there were particular advantages in 2010 versus 2008.

On 06/20/2015 09:18 AM, Jambay wrote:
 not to stir things up but would think MSVC 2010 is still valid; older
 versions, agreed.

 But then I'm out of date on a lot of source for my system. If it goes away
 won't affect me until I get into builds.

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 From: Martijn Berger martijn.ber...@gmail.com
 To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?


 Hi Campbell,

 I think some people actually started cleaning up work-arounds for ancient
 MSVC 's not sure if 2008 still builds.
 I think of all pre 2012 versions as ancient and to broken to want to
 support. Whole reason for doing MSVC 2013 work was to move up the lowest
 common denominator for everyone.

 I would like to propose officially abandoning 2005, 2008, 2010 versions of
 MSVC.

 Martijn




 On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Campbell Barton ideasma...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi, I was under the impression MSVC2008 was dropped (committed removal
 of some MSVC version checks).
 But looks like there wasn't official decision here?

 Is the intention to keep supporting MSVC2008?
 Is anyone using it for development?

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Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?

2015-06-20 Thread Jambay
not to stir things up but would think MSVC 2010 is still valid; older 
versions, agreed.

But then I'm out of date on a lot of source for my system. If it goes away 
won't affect me until I get into builds.

- Original Message - 
From: Martijn Berger martijn.ber...@gmail.com
To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?


 Hi Campbell,

 I think some people actually started cleaning up work-arounds for ancient
 MSVC 's not sure if 2008 still builds.
 I think of all pre 2012 versions as ancient and to broken to want to
 support. Whole reason for doing MSVC 2013 work was to move up the lowest
 common denominator for everyone.

 I would like to propose officially abandoning 2005, 2008, 2010 versions of
 MSVC.

 Martijn




 On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Campbell Barton ideasma...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi, I was under the impression MSVC2008 was dropped (committed removal
 of some MSVC version checks).
 But looks like there wasn't official decision here?

 Is the intention to keep supporting MSVC2008?
 Is anyone using it for development?

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Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?

2015-06-20 Thread Martijn Berger
Hi Campbell,

I think some people actually started cleaning up work-arounds for ancient
MSVC 's not sure if 2008 still builds.
I think of all pre 2012 versions as ancient and to broken to want to
support. Whole reason for doing MSVC 2013 work was to move up the lowest
common denominator for everyone.

I would like to propose officially abandoning 2005, 2008, 2010 versions of
MSVC.

Martijn




On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Campbell Barton ideasma...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi, I was under the impression MSVC2008 was dropped (committed removal
 of some MSVC version checks).
 But looks like there wasn't official decision here?

 Is the intention to keep supporting MSVC2008?
 Is anyone using it for development?

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Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?

2015-06-20 Thread Jambay
k, like I said, my stuff is out of date was thinking 2010 was min but you 
are correct, wasn't well done.

if 2013 is base, I'm fine with that, thx for reply/info.

- Original Message - 
From: Jeffrey italic.rendezv...@gmail.com
To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?


 From what I recall of that time period, MSVC 2010 was dropped because
 support was never fully developed. Development favored 2013. Now that
 we've got 2013 established, I see no reason to go backwards. I don't
 remember if there were particular advantages in 2010 versus 2008.

 On 06/20/2015 09:18 AM, Jambay wrote:
 not to stir things up but would think MSVC 2010 is still valid; older
 versions, agreed.

 But then I'm out of date on a lot of source for my system. If it goes 
 away
 won't affect me until I get into builds.

 - Original Message -
 From: Martijn Berger martijn.ber...@gmail.com
 To: bf-blender developers bf-committers@blender.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Is MSVC2008 still to be supported?


 Hi Campbell,

 I think some people actually started cleaning up work-arounds for 
 ancient
 MSVC 's not sure if 2008 still builds.
 I think of all pre 2012 versions as ancient and to broken to want to
 support. Whole reason for doing MSVC 2013 work was to move up the lowest
 common denominator for everyone.

 I would like to propose officially abandoning 2005, 2008, 2010 versions 
 of
 MSVC.

 Martijn




 On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Campbell Barton ideasma...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi, I was under the impression MSVC2008 was dropped (committed removal
 of some MSVC version checks).
 But looks like there wasn't official decision here?

 Is the intention to keep supporting MSVC2008?
 Is anyone using it for development?

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