Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-02-18, at 9:54 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bummer...that probably means it's not the best UI :/. Move the mouse > > around near the center of the top edge of the file pane (doesn't > > work in > > the single-column one, for obvious reasons). > > Oh, hey, that's pretty slick. If the slider popped up whenever you're > anywhere in the pane (except for over the PDFs themselves, since then > you get the next page/previous page arrows), that would be fine. It's slightly tricky to separate it from the page arrows, since those are triggered by a mouse movement over the icon. Having it pop up all the time when moving the mouse would be too annoying, I think. [...] > >> Right. Maybe even two: One to toggle between Details/Annote/Abstract/ > >> Template/etc. and one to choose a different template. > > > > Those could even be replaced with templates; we talked about doing > > that > > in the past. In that case, the Preferences/Display radio buttons > > would > > be eliminated entirely. > > Hmm, true, although PDF and Text aren't exactly templates. That's more- > or-less true for the rest. Yeah, that's why I suggested more buttons would be required to do this in BibDesk. There are too many options to fit in a menu under a single button icon. PDF and Text preview are gone in this version; as I said previously, I'm lobotomizing it for my personal usage and amusement :). Part of that includes removing features that I never use, along with ones that I think we shouldn't have added in the first place. The source is in my tcobrowser repo on sourceforge for the time being, but I'm not going to create a "real" fork and do full-fledged releases, since I think that would harm the project overall. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On 2008-02-18, at 9:54 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 2008-02-18, at 9:02 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: >> >>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >>> "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > >> >> On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, "Alexander H. >> Montgomery" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> (As you probably >> already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side >> pane >> that no longer operates. > > It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, > not > the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving > that in general so any fileview has a slider. >>> >>> I updated >>> >>> http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip >>> >>> with a new slider for changing the zoom level (works in the editor >>> or >>> main window preview). See if you can find it :). >> >> Err, no. Am I being stupid here? > > Bummer...that probably means it's not the best UI :/. Move the mouse > around near the center of the top edge of the file pane (doesn't > work in > the single-column one, for obvious reasons). Oh, hey, that's pretty slick. If the slider popped up whenever you're anywhere in the pane (except for over the PDFs themselves, since then you get the next page/previous page arrows), that would be fine. >>> 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane >> >> I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down >> there >> for which preview view to use would make this even better. > > In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't > finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there > because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and > sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find it useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) >>> >>> So you're thinking of a menu attached to the segmented control >>> (toggle)? >>> That might be interesting to try. I think I'd set it up so it just >>> let >>> you choose a template, since I removed most of the other preview >>> choices. For BibDesk proper, I think you'd want more buttons, >>> though...but even so I think it would be confusing because of the >>> number >>> of options. >> >> Right. Maybe even two: One to toggle between Details/Annote/Abstract/ >> Template/etc. and one to choose a different template. > > Those could even be replaced with templates; we talked about doing > that > in the past. In that case, the Preferences/Display radio buttons > would > be eliminated entirely. Hmm, true, although PDF and Text aren't exactly templates. That's more- or-less true for the rest. -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-02-18, at 9:02 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > >>> > > On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, "Alexander H. Montgomery" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (As you probably > already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane > that no longer operates. > >>> > >>> It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not > >>> the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving > >>> that in general so any fileview has a slider. > > > > I updated > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip > > > > with a new slider for changing the zoom level (works in the editor or > > main window preview). See if you can find it :). > > Err, no. Am I being stupid here? Bummer...that probably means it's not the best UI :/. Move the mouse around near the center of the top edge of the file pane (doesn't work in the single-column one, for obvious reasons). > > 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane > > I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down > there > for which preview view to use would make this even better. > >>> > >>> In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't > >>> finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there > >>> because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and > >>> sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. > >> > >> > >> And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find > >> it > >> useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) > > > > So you're thinking of a menu attached to the segmented control > > (toggle)? > > That might be interesting to try. I think I'd set it up so it just > > let > > you choose a template, since I removed most of the other preview > > choices. For BibDesk proper, I think you'd want more buttons, > > though...but even so I think it would be confusing because of the > > number > > of options. > > Right. Maybe even two: One to toggle between Details/Annote/Abstract/ > Template/etc. and one to choose a different template. Those could even be replaced with templates; we talked about doing that in the past. In that case, the Preferences/Display radio buttons would be eliminated entirely. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On 2008-02-18, at 9:02 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: >>> On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. >>> >>> It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not >>> the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving >>> that in general so any fileview has a slider. > > I updated > > http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip > > with a new slider for changing the zoom level (works in the editor or > main window preview). See if you can find it :). Err, no. Am I being stupid here? > > [...] > > 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. >>> >>> In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't >>> finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there >>> because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and >>> sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. >> >> >> And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find >> it >> useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) > > So you're thinking of a menu attached to the segmented control > (toggle)? > That might be interesting to try. I think I'd set it up so it just > let > you choose a template, since I removed most of the other preview > choices. For BibDesk proper, I think you'd want more buttons, > though...but even so I think it would be confusing because of the > number > of options. Right. Maybe even two: One to toggle between Details/Annote/Abstract/ Template/etc. and one to choose a different template. -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Alexander H. Montgomery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > > > >> > >> On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, "Alexander H. Montgomery" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> (As you probably > >> already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane > >> that no longer operates. > > > > It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not > > the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving > > that in general so any fileview has a slider. I updated http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip with a new slider for changing the zoom level (works in the editor or main window preview). See if you can find it :). [...] > >>> 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane > >> > >> I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there > >> for which preview view to use would make this even better. > > > > In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't > > finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there > > because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and > > sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. > > > And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find it > useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) So you're thinking of a menu attached to the segmented control (toggle)? That might be interesting to try. I think I'd set it up so it just let you choose a template, since I removed most of the other preview choices. For BibDesk proper, I think you'd want more buttons, though...but even so I think it would be confusing because of the number of options. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
