Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving that in general so any fileview has a slider. I updated http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip with a new slider for changing the zoom level (works in the editor or main window preview). See if you can find it :). [...] 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find it useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) So you're thinking of a menu attached to the segmented control (toggle)? That might be interesting to try. I think I'd set it up so it just let you choose a template, since I removed most of the other preview choices. For BibDesk proper, I think you'd want more buttons, though...but even so I think it would be confusing because of the number of options. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On 2008-02-18, at 9:02 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving that in general so any fileview has a slider. I updated http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip with a new slider for changing the zoom level (works in the editor or main window preview). See if you can find it :). Err, no. Am I being stupid here? [...] 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find it useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) So you're thinking of a menu attached to the segmented control (toggle)? That might be interesting to try. I think I'd set it up so it just let you choose a template, since I removed most of the other preview choices. For BibDesk proper, I think you'd want more buttons, though...but even so I think it would be confusing because of the number of options. Right. Maybe even two: One to toggle between Details/Annote/Abstract/ Template/etc. and one to choose a different template. -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On 2008-02-18, at 9:54 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-18, at 9:02 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving that in general so any fileview has a slider. I updated http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip with a new slider for changing the zoom level (works in the editor or main window preview). See if you can find it :). Err, no. Am I being stupid here? Bummer...that probably means it's not the best UI :/. Move the mouse around near the center of the top edge of the file pane (doesn't work in the single-column one, for obvious reasons). Oh, hey, that's pretty slick. If the slider popped up whenever you're anywhere in the pane (except for over the PDFs themselves, since then you get the next page/previous page arrows), that would be fine. 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find it useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) So you're thinking of a menu attached to the segmented control (toggle)? That might be interesting to try. I think I'd set it up so it just let you choose a template, since I removed most of the other preview choices. For BibDesk proper, I think you'd want more buttons, though...but even so I think it would be confusing because of the number of options. Right. Maybe even two: One to toggle between Details/Annote/Abstract/ Template/etc. and one to choose a different template. Those could even be replaced with templates; we talked about doing that in the past. In that case, the Preferences/Display radio buttons would be eliminated entirely. Hmm, true, although PDF and Text aren't exactly templates. That's more- or-less true for the rest. -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-18, at 9:02 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving that in general so any fileview has a slider. I updated http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip with a new slider for changing the zoom level (works in the editor or main window preview). See if you can find it :). Err, no. Am I being stupid here? Bummer...that probably means it's not the best UI :/. Move the mouse around near the center of the top edge of the file pane (doesn't work in the single-column one, for obvious reasons). 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find it useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) So you're thinking of a menu attached to the segmented control (toggle)? That might be interesting to try. I think I'd set it up so it just let you choose a template, since I removed most of the other preview choices. For BibDesk proper, I think you'd want more buttons, though...but even so I think it would be confusing because of the number of options. Right. Maybe even two: One to toggle between Details/Annote/Abstract/ Template/etc. and one to choose a different template. Those could even be replaced with templates; we talked about doing that in the past. In that case, the Preferences/Display radio buttons would be eliminated entirely. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-18, at 9:54 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bummer...that probably means it's not the best UI :/. Move the mouse around near the center of the top edge of the file pane (doesn't work in the single-column one, for obvious reasons). Oh, hey, that's pretty slick. If the slider popped up whenever you're anywhere in the pane (except for over the PDFs themselves, since then you get the next page/previous page arrows), that would be fine. It's slightly tricky to separate it from the page arrows, since those are triggered by a mouse movement over the icon. Having it pop up all the time when moving the mouse would be too annoying, I think. [...] Right. Maybe even two: One to toggle between Details/Annote/Abstract/ Template/etc. and one to choose a different template. Those could even be replaced with templates; we talked about doing that in the past. In that case, the Preferences/Display radio buttons would be eliminated entirely. Hmm, true, although PDF and Text aren't exactly templates. That's more- or-less true for the rest. Yeah, that's why I suggested more buttons would be required to do this in BibDesk. There are too many options to fit in a menu under a single button icon. PDF and Text preview are gone in this version; as I said previously, I'm lobotomizing it for my personal usage and amusement :). Part of that includes removing features that I never use, along with ones that I think we shouldn't have added in the first place. The source is in my tcobrowser repo on sourceforge for the time being, but I'm not going to create a real fork and do full-fledged releases, since I think that would harm the project overall. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On 16 Feb 2008, at 8:21 PM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-15, at 1:53 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: I've been playing with some changes to BibDesk for my own use. If anyone's interested, take a look at http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip (10.5 required). This answers a few past suggestions to some extent: 1) the file view on the right scales icons to fit a single column Superb. Looks like this is only for the publications table; individual publication windows don't seem to do this yet. Yup. I think it makes less sense in editor windows. Editor windows are small, so there it's mainly useful as a drop target or quick look target. Is it possible to have an Auto Size option in the context menu, similar to PDFView? basically my question is: can the auto-size feature easily be turned on and off? (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving that in general so any fileview has a slider. So this version has 2 file views in the main window? 2) you can display files in the bottom pane Looks nice. I tend not to use the side pane, but that might be useful. (This would be a good view option for the publication windows as well.) Interesting...how so for pub windows? Well, in pub windows, mine generally have a lot of empty space at the bottom (with a couple lonely checkboxes below that). Having a bottom pane along with a side pane would use that space better. So why don't you resize the windows? I have them such that for articles the fields exactly fit. 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find it useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) -AHM On 16 Feb 2008, at 1:34 AM, James Harrison wrote: Agreed. I like the way this side view operates (single autoscaling column). I also like the quick swap of the views in preview, and toggling between several preview templates would be an additional advantage. This may make it unnecessary to show both the bottom preview and the side view, though having both options is nice. The one other feature I'd be interested in is for both the bottom pane and the right side pane to have essentially identical view options except that one has a horizontal orientation and one is vertical. Jim Harrison UVa Some previews don't work well in the narrow side views, such as the latex preview and the linked files option. As for the latter, is that even necessary with the new file view? The file view and templates could be options in both panes. The latex and possibly linked file only in the bottom pane. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On 2008-02-15, at 3:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-15, at 1:53 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: I've been playing with some changes to BibDesk for my own use. If anyone's interested, take a look at http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip (10.5 required). This answers a few past suggestions to some extent: 1) the file view on the right scales icons to fit a single column Superb. Looks like this is only for the publications table; individual publication windows don't seem to do this yet. Yup. I think it makes less sense in editor windows. Editor windows are small, so there it's mainly useful as a drop target or quick look target. (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving that in general so any fileview has a slider. 2) you can display files in the bottom pane Looks nice. I tend not to use the side pane, but that might be useful. (This would be a good view option for the publication windows as well.) Interesting...how so for pub windows? Well, in pub windows, mine generally have a lot of empty space at the bottom (with a couple lonely checkboxes below that). Having a bottom pane along with a side pane would use that space better. 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. And here we are asking for more surgery already... but I would find it useful (and new people would probably find it intuitive) -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
I've been playing with some changes to BibDesk for my own use. If anyone's interested, take a look at http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip (10.5 required). This answers a few past suggestions to some extent: 1) the file view on the right scales icons to fit a single column 2) you can display files in the bottom pane 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane It's based on 1.3.14, not BibDesk's current source. Numerous features have been removed; comments on that will be ignored. There are likely some bugs in it. The file view internals have been pretty extensively rewritten, and I haven't tested performance on a single core system. If it's significantly slower, let me know. Remote URL handling has changed as well (in fileview context menu). -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On Friday, February 15, 2008, at 02:43PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-02-15, at 1:53 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: I've been playing with some changes to BibDesk for my own use. If anyone's interested, take a look at http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip (10.5 required). This answers a few past suggestions to some extent: 1) the file view on the right scales icons to fit a single column Superb. Looks like this is only for the publications table; individual publication windows don't seem to do this yet. Yup. I think it makes less sense in editor windows. Editor windows are small, so there it's mainly useful as a drop target or quick look target. (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. It does operate...it just resizes the icons in the preview pane, not the side pane, so it's misplaced. I have some ideas on improving that in general so any fileview has a slider. 2) you can display files in the bottom pane Looks nice. I tend not to use the side pane, but that might be useful. (This would be a good view option for the publication windows as well.) Interesting...how so for pub windows? 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. In this version, it's either textview or fileview, and I haven't finished lobotomizing things yet :). I just threw this out there because it answers a couple of things people have asked about, and sometimes it's helpful to see ideas in a functional demo. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On 2008-02-15, at 1:53 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: I've been playing with some changes to BibDesk for my own use. If anyone's interested, take a look at http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/BibDesk.app.zip (10.5 required). This answers a few past suggestions to some extent: 1) the file view on the right scales icons to fit a single column Superb. Looks like this is only for the publications table; individual publication windows don't seem to do this yet. (As you probably already know, there's still a slider at the bottom of the side pane that no longer operates. 2) you can display files in the bottom pane Looks nice. I tend not to use the side pane, but that might be useful. (This would be a good view option for the publication windows as well.) 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. It's based on 1.3.14, not BibDesk's current source. Numerous features have been removed; comments on that will be ignored. There are likely some bugs in it. The file view internals have been pretty extensively rewritten, and I haven't tested performance on a single core system. If it's significantly slower, let me know. Remote URL handling has changed as well (in fileview context menu). -- adam -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] file view ideas
On Feb 15, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: 3) you can quickly toggle the main preview pane I like the toggle between preview and files. Having a menu down there for which preview view to use would make this even better. Agreed. I like the way this side view operates (single autoscaling column). I also like the quick swap of the views in preview, and toggling between several preview templates would be an additional advantage. This may make it unnecessary to show both the bottom preview and the side view, though having both options is nice. The one other feature I'd be interested in is for both the bottom pane and the right side pane to have essentially identical view options except that one has a horizontal orientation and one is vertical. Jim Harrison UVa - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
