Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes
Done. A bet I am happy to have lost and a worthwhile cause.John Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 3:42 PM, Harald Kliems wrote: Hi John:I guess it's August now, and as far as I know there have been no fatal or serious injury crashes involving e-bikes in Madison. Please mail your $100 to Madison Bikes Inc. P.O. Box 260244 Madison, WI 53726-0244 Or you can donate online and contribute to our Pinney Library fundraiser https://www.madisonbikes.org/pinney_library_rack_raising (other Bikies are welcome to contribute as well!) Best, Harald. On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 7:56 PM Harald Kliems wrote: John, I'd happily take you up on the bet! $100 that there won't be a fatality on the bike path in Madison that involves someone on an e-bike before the end of July 2019. Maybe we can get another bikie as a bookie and referee. And so that we don't run afoul of any gambling regulations, you can send the $100 as a donation to Madison Bikes if I win. Best, Harald. On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:55 PM john wagnitz via Bikies wrote: Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike path in Madison? I predict before the end of the month.The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding “bikes” with the Copenhagen wheel. I’m pretty sure they are breaking the speed limit. The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate these “bikes.”I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before somebody gets seriously injured, or killed.John Wagnitz ___ Bikies mailing list Bikies@lists.danenet.org http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org -- Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 -- Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! Key-ID: 0x34cb93972f186565 ___ Bikies mailing list Bikies@lists.danenet.org http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
Re: [Bikies] E-Bikes
Harry,I’d be happy to. The first instance occurred last week. I was traveling east on the capital city trail, crossing Dunning street (harmony bar). An eastbound commuter was attempting to pass me when a cyclist with a rear powered device traveling west at a high speed (25 mph?) came around the bend to catch the green light (I assume).Both were in the center lane and I thought a head on collision was inevitable. It wasn’t. Both got into their respective lanes and all ended well. The second instance occurred yesterday. Again, I was eastbound on the capital city trail. While crossing Thornton Avenue, I was passed by a cyclist with a rear powered device traveling east at a high speed, even though it was obvious (to me anyway) that the light ahead was red and bikes were queuing up. West bound cyclists were still coming toward us but he wasn’t slowing down for anything. While waiting at the light he was re-packing his luggage which had almost fallen off his bike. When the light turned green, he proceeded out onto Eastwood drive so he could beat all the bikes ahead of him waiting at the light. By the time I reached russel street, he was out of sight. It was the second incident, last night, that prompted my “hyperbolic” post. In retrospect, I should have waited to cool down before posting. In both instances nobody was hurt and maybe it was my own perception that danger was lurking. My apologies to anybody I offended. While I expected some spirited debate on the topic, I was a little surprised by the responses posted. Next time, I’ll keep my opinions to myself.John Wagnitz On Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 4:22 PM, Harry Read via Bikies wrote: It's good to hear that most people posting here are not seeing much in the way of irresponsible ebike use but perhaps John Wagnitz can describe some specific instances that prompted his post. Responding to Jeff Schimpf's post, I agree that BCycle rentals are probably not going to make much of a difference. What I'm picturing is people purchasing ebikes to use for commuting that they would charge at home, for whom having electric assist makes bike commuting a more viable option vs driving--to cover a greater distance, faster with less exertion. I think that could lead to a big reduction in emissions. Harry Read On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 3:57 PM Brian C. Mink via Bikies wrote: Could not agree more, Be Best. My wife and I are lifelong road and touring cyclists. We're retired at this point an tandem cycle daily. We spent some 40 years on a range of high end tandems but in the last couple years both have developed Sacro Iliac Dysfunction which in recent years has limited out ride length and hill climbing. We as a matter of pain control had a custom tandem built with a Shimano Steps e-assist motor (250 watt mid drive) which is set to provide climbing assist when our speed drops below 12 mph (max assist speed restricted to 18mph) We ride on many local trails and bikeways on our way to Paoli, Bellville, Oregon, New Glarus, Monroe and points beyond. We have the luxury of riding during the day when there are a whole lot of similarly situated folks riding all of the trails around Madison on e-assist bike of one variety or another. I've yet to see anyone on an e-assist bicycle doing anything that even approaches the fears expressed in some earlier emails. Fact is hundreds of e-assist bikes are being used in active mode on Madison and Dane county bike trails and this has been true for several years. I see the opposite, lots of folks renting B-cycle e-assist bikes who are acting responsibly. Riding below the upper limit of e-assist speed restrictions (these are firmware restricted speed controls). Fact is I'm seeing 3X as many people riding bikes compared to last year. So let's temper the hyperbole and celebrate the fact that more people are cycling and cycling longer in years and miles. Brian Mink Monona, WI Matt Coppens via Bikies wrote on 7/10/19 1:05 PM: I too, at times, want to yell out into the void of the interwebs to create drama where none has existed before. But I don't, because I am a rational adult. So let's be real, there has been no notable accidents or incidents resulting in serious injuries or deaths. There has been nothing brought to the attention by local news outlets. And those who are riding said bicycles are probably more aware of their surroundings because of the precious cargo they carry. This post/chat has successfully wasted nearly 10min of my time in what equates to pointless squabbling. If you want to make great use of time here, let's focus on advocating for better roads, inclusion of separate bike lanes on reconstruction and resurfacing of roads, and more signage to alert drivers of cyclists. Be Best. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 12:45 Steve Arnold via Bikies wrote: On 7/9/2019 5:38 PM, john wagnitz via Bikies wrote: > Anybody taking
[Bikies] E-Bikes
Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike path in Madison? I predict before the end of the month.The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding “bikes” with the Copenhagen wheel. I’m pretty sure they are breaking the speed limit. The State Legislature gave local governments the power to regulate these “bikes.”I hope any local officials reading this post will do something before somebody gets seriously injured, or killed.John Wagnitz ___ Bikies mailing list Bikies@lists.danenet.org http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
Re: [Bikies] No counterflow lane on the Square
I agree with Brian. I like contra flow lanes as much as the next person but there are much worse proposals moving through the Legislature. For instance, today, the Assembly is taking up Assembly Bill (AB) 563, which will let Dane County towns opt out of countywide zoning ordinances, AB 600 and AB 603 that further erodes local control of shoreland zoning ordinances. These bills are part of a package of "gifts" to developers and realtors that will be taken up in the last days of legislative session that will do more harm for bicycling in Dane County and Wisconsin. It seems that people don't know, don't care or care and focus on small battles when such larger threats are coming. Fred Risser is one of the most supportive legislators bicyclists have ever had. He is NOT the problem. John On Feb 9, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Brian Mink via Bikies wrote: > Look, my point is, if planners did not go out of their way to enlist the > support of Fred Risser, then they missed an opportunity and likely made a > tactical error. So, they weren't invited or were discouraged from attending a > meeting ! What's wrong with an office visit or phone call. Seems like a > blunder viewing it as a relative outsider. > > On Feb 9, 2016, Peter Gray via Bikies wrote: >> >> I just sent this email. Thank you Grant Foster for finding the SCERB purpose >> in WI state statutes. >> >> Feel free to borrow from this in writing your own email. >> >> Peter >> >> == >> >> To: >> sen.ris...@legis.state.wi.us, >> sen.ol...@legis.wisconsin.gov, >> sen.r...@legis.wisconsin.gov, >> rep.b...@legis.wisconsin.gov, >> rep.loudenb...@legis.wisconsin.gov, >> rep.hesselb...@legis.wisconsin.gov >> >> Subject: Disappointed by SCERB veto of contra-flow lane on Mifflin St. >> >> Just want to express disappointment in SCERB's vote against a bicycle >> contra-flow lane on Mifflin St. alongside the Capitol building in Madison. >> >> I understand that Madison city planners were disc ouraged from attending >> SCERB's recent meeting, and thus were not able to explain the contra-flow >> lane and why it is needed. This traffic engineering decision seems outside >> SCERB's expertise and purpose "to direct the continuing and consistent >> maintenance of the property, decorative furniture and furnishings of the >> capitol and executive residence." >> >> Currently, people ride bicycles on the Mifflin Street sidewalk on Capitol >> Square because there isn't a safer and more convenient way for them to cross >> the Square eastbound between State Street and East Mifflin, two heavily used >> bicycle corridors. A contra-flow lane would have addressed this issue. >> >> I hope SCERB will reconsider this wrong call. >> >> Thank you, >> Peter Gray >> [street address, city] >> >> On Tue , Feb 9, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Paul T. O'Leary via Bikies >> wrote: >>> On 2016/02/09 07:43, Robbie Webber via Bikies wrote: It should be noted that City of Madison staff were not allowed to testify or even attend the meeting where the vote was taken, so no "convincing" was possible. And Fred is not a transportaron bicyclist. He only rides recreationally. >>> Second point is underscored by the Senator's reference, multiple times, to >>> "against traffic". Um, NO, Senator, use of a counterflow lane is not >>> "against" traffic; it IS traffic. If the "against traffic" argument were >>> valid, there wouldn't be so many counterflow lanes in use today, including >>> several around the Square. The unfortunate thing is, Sen. Risser is >>> probably seen as "the bike guy" on this committee, making this an even >>> harder ship to turn around. >>> >>> Re. testifying/attending the meeting, isn't that at the very least a >>> violation of the open meetings law? Shouldn't any citizen have been allowed >>> to testify, or at least attend? >>> >>> -- >>> Paul T. O'Leary >>> Chronic Nuisance >>> Madison, WI USA >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> Bikies@lists.danenet.org >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> Bikies mailing list >> Bikies@lists.danenet.org >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > -- Sent with K-@ Mail - the evolution of emailing. > ___ > Bikies mailing list > Bikies@lists.danenet.org > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org ___ Bikies mailing list Bikies@lists.danenet.org http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
