Re: [Bikies] NPR: Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake

[Joe Putzer via Bikies]

Nope, I didn't take your brief post as an attack on anything.  My comments
are about the article and the producer and don't reference you or your
comment at all. I actually had to go back and see what your comment was
before responding here.

I felt others might be interested in how the positive and proactive
approach Pittsburgh has taken to bicycling advocacy has been beneficial to
that region. The reporting of Krauss and Keystone Crossroads is a big part
of that and we all can learn from that success.

But, the piece neither touches on the the cost of potential electronics nor
says that they will be complex.  It does state that the software engineer's
hope is to embed potential software in smartphones, which is a device many
bicyclists currently have in their pocket while riding. My assumption is
that it would work in the background like the GPS in your smartphone does.

I'm a touring cyclist and I know that dedicated bike lanes can't be built
everywhere I want to travel. Which means I'll still ride my bike on roads
self-driving cars could be on some day.   If software embedded in my
smartphone that runs in the background like my GPS keeps me safer on the
road, I'm all for it.










On Jul 25, 2017 11:13 PM, "Scott Morris Rose"  wrote:

I regret that my brief post evidently came across to you as an attack on
the author of the article and/or on the Pittsburgh metropolitan area. My
intended point was more along the lines that if staying safe on a bicycle
in the era of self-driving cars will require that cyclists have complex and
costly electronics on their bikes, there has been a loss. I agree that the
article was informative.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Joe Putzer  wrote:

> I think it's a pretty informative piece. It takes analytical approach to
> the challenges an autonomous vehicle may have navigating safely around
> bicyclists and pedestrians.
>
> The software engineer of the autonomous vehicle company interviewed even
> mentions a few of the issues bike safety advocates have been saying for
> decades. For example:
>
> *"Cyclists, like pedestrians, are some of the most vulnerable road users,"
> Fairfield says. "And so we do want to treat them with extra caution and
> care."*
>
> And another software engineer talked about how bicyclists are in this
> middle grey area between cars and pedestrians.
>
> The goal of the research is to make a world filled with self-driving cars
> safer for bicyclists and pedestrians.
>
> The writer/producer/reporter, Margaret J Krauss, is a cyclist too! She
> biked 2000 miles in the Pittsburgh area while working for on a 48-hour
> radio series on the history of the region.  She also is part of the
> Keystone Crossroads initiative that reports on solutions to urban crises in
> Pennsylvania, including bicycles as a solution to infrastructure issues.
>
> I'm not sure if you've been in Pittsburgh recently, but bicycles and
> bicycling infrastructure has been a big part of the revitalization of
> Pittsburgh and part of that is because of the reporting from Margaret
> Krauss and others with Keystone Crossroads.
>
> Below is a link to a few of pieces Keystone Crossroads has covered on
> bicycling, but their work is so much more than that and worth an in-depth
> look.
>
> http://crossroads.newsworks.org/index.php/keystone-crossroad
> s/item/74307#stq=bicycles=1
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 11:51 PM, "Scott Morris Rose via Bikies" <
> bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote:
>
>> Again, the responsibility for staying safe on a bicycle is shifted to the
>> cyclist rather than the... ah... murderist.
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537
>> 746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake
>>
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>> S. Rose
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Re: [Bikies] NPR: Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake

[Joe Putzer via Bikies]

I think it's a pretty informative piece. It takes analytical approach to
the challenges an autonomous vehicle may have navigating safely around
bicyclists and pedestrians.

The software engineer of the autonomous vehicle company interviewed even
mentions a few of the issues bike safety advocates have been saying for
decades. For example:

*"Cyclists, like pedestrians, are some of the most vulnerable road users,"
Fairfield says. "And so we do want to treat them with extra caution and
care."*

And another software engineer talked about how bicyclists are in this
middle grey area between cars and pedestrians.

The goal of the research is to make a world filled with self-driving cars
safer for bicyclists and pedestrians.

The writer/producer/reporter, Margaret J Krauss, is a cyclist too! She
biked 2000 miles in the Pittsburgh area while working for on a 48-hour
radio series on the history of the region.  She also is part of the
Keystone Crossroads initiative that reports on solutions to urban crises in
Pennsylvania, including bicycles as a solution to infrastructure issues.

I'm not sure if you've been in Pittsburgh recently, but bicycles and
bicycling infrastructure has been a big part of the revitalization of
Pittsburgh and part of that is because of the reporting from Margaret
Krauss and others with Keystone Crossroads.

Below is a link to a few of pieces Keystone Crossroads has covered on
bicycling, but their work is so much more than that and worth an in-depth
look.

http://crossroads.newsworks.org/index.php/keystone-crossroads/item/74307#stq=bicycles=1




On Jul 24, 2017 11:51 PM, "Scott Morris Rose via Bikies" <
bikies@lists.danenet.org> wrote:

> Again, the responsibility for staying safe on a bicycle is shifted to the
> cyclist rather than the... ah... murderist.
>
> http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537
> 746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake
>
> --
> S. Rose
>
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[Bikies] NPR: Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake

[Scott Morris Rose via Bikies]

Again, the responsibility for staying safe on a bicycle is shifted to the
cyclist rather than the... ah... murderist.

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/
537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake

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