Re: Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list

[Gregory Sloop]

That code of conduct is a good starting place, at minimum.

Regardless of how it may be now, it may not always be a great a place - and 
setting out the expectations and standards expected is a good hedge against 
future tyrants. 

So, I applaud ISC for taking the steps to formally set out the standards they 
expect on the list. Far better to do it now in "fair" weather then when things 
are much worse.

And on that note...
I know I've said it before - but I really must take the time to thank the many 
posters here. I'd name names - but I'm sure I'd miss someone. 

I've been on a lot of forums and lists the last 30+ years, and I don't believe 
I've ever found one that has such great people who show such great knowledge 
and more importantly, to me at least, such grace and tactfulness and elegance 
when posting here.

Other lists likemumblefreeradiusmumble have great technical skill present, but 
are regularly abrasive, and curt. They may offer good technical advice, but do 
it in such a way that it's not very pleasant.

Other; both illiterate and tyrants or just nice illiterates.

But THIS place, and these posters that we regularly see here are pretty 
awesome. 

The only downside is - I sometimes hesitate to post, since the other great 
posters are likely to crank out something so awesome, through and full of 
details I'll probably forget to put in, I'll feel like a worm. :) [But please 
don't stop on my account!]

So, again - I'm always impressed with the posting tone, and technical quality - 
both here and on the BIND list.

This is one of those lists I stay a member of simply because it's technically 
rewarding to read, and reminds me, often, that there ARE still nice people who 
post on the internet.

Thanks! 


This list is a tremendously helpful and generous group that has provided really 
invaluable assistance to many new and experienced users.  I would like to thank 
all of you who share your time and expertise with random users on the Internet, 
as well as giving feedback to ISC via this list.

We had some discussion within ISC and there are mixed opinions about the need 
for and utility of adopting a Code of Conduct (CoC) to ensure that this list 
remains welcoming, useful and tolerant.  We have considered statements used by 
other projects, lists and open source communities. We agreed that I would begin 
by reiterating a statement posted on this list back in 2016, asking for respect 
and civility, to see what people think of that as a code of conduct for this 
list. 

Here it is:

https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2016-October/097925.html
We should like to remind list users that irrespective of the basic
levels of experience or knowledge of some of the posters here, that they
are asking for community help and that advice should be given politely
and with respect shown both towards the original poster and other
contributors to a thread.

The same courtesy and respect is also expected of list members towards
others when discussing more advanced and complex topics. Please
remember that:

- English is not the first language for all - this can lead to
misunderstandings

- Beginners don't always 'get it' from the start (but with gentle
guidance may become the experts of the future and surprise us all)

If you disagree with another poster on a technical matter, please
explain your position clearly, thoughtfully, and with appropriate
support for your viewpoint.

If you believe that you are the target of an insulting or inappropriate
post, please alert the list administrators* rather than retaliating on
the mailing list.

If you have any other concerns about a poster, please bring them to the
attention of the list administrators.

Insulting and derogatory posts will not be tolerated and will result in
future posts from those list members who are posting in this manner
being held for moderation or suspended indefinitely from this community.

Cathy Almond
ISC Support
* contact the list administrators directly by emailing to 
bind-users-ow...@lists.isc.org

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Victoria Risk
Product Manager
Internet Systems Consortium
vi...@isc.org
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Re: Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list

[Hika van den Hoven]

Hoi Victoria,

It is sad that the obvious must be stated. I fully agree.


Tot mails,
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"Zonder hoop kun je niet leven
Zonder leven is er geen hoop
Het eeuwige dilemma
Zeker als je hoop moet vernietigen om te kunnen overleven!"

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Re: Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list

[Tim Daneliuk]

On 8/2/19 1:31 PM, Victoria Risk wrote:
> This list is a tremendously helpful and generous group that has provided 
> really invaluable assistance 

tl;dr  Discuss the topic, not each other

It's tragic this even has to be said ...
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Proposal to adopt a Code of Conduct for the list

[Victoria Risk]

This list is a tremendously helpful and generous group that has provided really 
invaluable assistance to many new and experienced users.  I would like to thank 
all of you who share your time and expertise with random users on the Internet, 
as well as giving feedback to ISC via this list.

We had some discussion within ISC and there are mixed opinions about the need 
for and utility of adopting a Code of Conduct (CoC) to ensure that this list 
remains welcoming, useful and tolerant.  We have considered statements used by 
other projects, lists and open source communities. We agreed that I would begin 
by reiterating a statement posted on this list back in 2016, asking for respect 
and civility, to see what people think of that as a code of conduct for this 
list. 

Here it is:

https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2016-October/097925.html 

We should like to remind list users that irrespective of the basic
levels of experience or knowledge of some of the posters here, that they
are asking for community help and that advice should be given politely
and with respect shown both towards the original poster and other
contributors to a thread.

The same courtesy and respect is also expected of list members towards
others when discussing more advanced and complex topics.  Please
remember that:

- English is not the first language for all - this can lead to
misunderstandings

- Beginners don't always 'get it' from the start (but with gentle
guidance may become the experts of the future and surprise us all)

If you disagree with another poster on a technical matter, please
explain your position clearly, thoughtfully, and with appropriate
support for your viewpoint.

If you believe that you are the target of an insulting or inappropriate
post, please alert the list administrators* rather than retaliating on
the mailing list.

If you have any other concerns about a poster, please bring them to the
attention of the list administrators.

Insulting and derogatory posts will not be tolerated and will result in
future posts from those list members who are posting in this manner
being held for moderation or suspended indefinitely from this community.

Cathy Almond
ISC Support
* contact the list administrators directly by emailing to 
bind-users-ow...@lists.isc.org 

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Victoria Risk
Product Manager
Internet Systems Consortium
vi...@isc.org 


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