Re: How to properly update chroot-bind

2015-07-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 27.07.15 18:28, Leandro Roggerone wrote:

Hello , guys, I would like to know how to properly update my chroot bind
version.
I still can not get some nice doc / info about it.

Im using:
[root@centos-dns1 ~]# named -v
BIND 9.8.2rc1-RedHat-9.8.2-0.30.rc1.el6_6.3
running on a
[root@centos-dns1 ~]# uname -a
Linux centos-dns1.virtual.com.ar 2.6.32-504.23.4.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun
9 20:57:37 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Doing
yum update bind-chroot is not the way.
This is not a production server yet but it will be soon.


yum update bind should do that.
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Re: How to properly update chroot-bind

2015-07-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Am 28.07.2015 um 10:56 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:

but you *never ever* should only update specific packages on a
RHEL/CentOS system because that is *not supported and tested* at all


No? What are dependencies for, then?
Or don't yum/RPM support them in the way debian does?
(that is why it's quite easy to have mixed Debian... we have machine with
mix of debian 5,6,7 and even 8... not that It's good idea)


On 28.07.15 11:22, Reindl Harald wrote:
CentOS is a RHEL clone except that there are no updates for older 
point releases


it was multiple times statet by the maintainers on the mailing list 
that you have to apply *all* errata updates nothing else is supported


it's not a matter of dependencies, it's just a matter of what 
combinations of packages are tested for regressions and the fact that 
there are no updates for RHEL without a good reason


how does dependencies help when there was a critical bug fixed in 
package A which may hit your updated version of package B because the 
combination of that versions never was tested


feel free to ignore that but you are at your own if things behave 
unexpected when the developers say just only use 'yum upgrade' 
which applies also for minor releases, when CentOS 6.7 is out there 
will be no single update for CentOS 6.6 packages and hence yum 
upgrade brings you to CentOS 6.7 in a few weeks which is from that 
moment on the only supported CentOS 6.x


yes, this is a good explanation, I believe for the OP too.

not supported can of course mean working without problems, however I
agree there's no point in only updating BIND itself.

Still, the OP can stick with provided BIND 9.8 that is in CentOS6, update to
CentOS 7 or compile his own BIND version (and provide support for
themselves)
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RE: How to properly update chroot-bind

2015-07-28 Thread Lightner, Jeff
Since the OP says he's not in Production yet I'd strongly advise moving on to 
CentOS 7 for multiple reasons.  I has a new base version of BIND and also has a 
3.x kernel.

However, there is a learning curve because it also uses systemd rather than Sys 
V init.   The way bind-chroot runs is significantly different than it was on 
RHEL6 when you got to RHEL7.   (As noted CentOS versions are compiled from RHEL 
sources of the same versions.)

As noted previously on this list the version of  BIND you get with each major 
RHEL release (RHEL5, RHEL6, RHEL7) changes but the base version of BIND never 
gets updated to later BIND versions within each of these releases.  Instead 
RedHat backports security and some enhancements into the base they started with 
and add their own extended versioning.   This is true of CentOS because of its 
derivation.

There is someone on this list that does compile newer versions of BIND for RHEL 
so if you search the archive you can find newer versions than are shipped by 
RHEL/CentOS.   

Also CentOS does have extended repositories beyond those RHEL has so you may 
find something newer there.   

CentOS by the way is not supported so if you're using CentOS vs RHEL worrying 
about supported shouldn't be an issue for you.   (RHEL is supported if you 
pay for the subscriptions.)


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Subject: Re: How to properly update chroot-bind

Am 28.07.2015 um 10:56 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:
but you *never ever* should only update specific packages on a 
RHEL/CentOS system because that is *not supported and tested* at all

No? What are dependencies for, then?
Or don't yum/RPM support them in the way debian does?
(that is why it's quite easy to have mixed Debian... we have machine 
with mix of debian 5,6,7 and even 8... not that It's good idea)

On 28.07.15 11:22, Reindl Harald wrote:
CentOS is a RHEL clone except that there are no updates for older point 
releases

it was multiple times statet by the maintainers on the mailing list 
that you have to apply *all* errata updates nothing else is supported

it's not a matter of dependencies, it's just a matter of what 
combinations of packages are tested for regressions and the fact that 
there are no updates for RHEL without a good reason

how does dependencies help when there was a critical bug fixed in 
package A which may hit your updated version of package B because the 
combination of that versions never was tested

feel free to ignore that but you are at your own if things behave 
unexpected when the developers say just only use 'yum upgrade'
which applies also for minor releases, when CentOS 6.7 is out there 
will be no single update for CentOS 6.6 packages and hence yum 
upgrade brings you to CentOS 6.7 in a few weeks which is from that 
moment on the only supported CentOS 6.x

yes, this is a good explanation, I believe for the OP too.

not supported can of course mean working without problems, however I agree 
there's no point in only updating BIND itself.

Still, the OP can stick with provided BIND 9.8 that is in CentOS6, update to 
CentOS 7 or compile his own BIND version (and provide support for
themselves)
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