Re: injecting a temp entry into dns cache

2013-02-04 Thread Phil Mayers

On 02/02/2013 09:41 PM, Veaceslav Revutchi wrote:

There is a credit union website that our users access from work and
their dns has been broken for the past few days where the www. version
works,  but the plain name (without the www.) points to some old IP
that's not responding. Tried to call them and all I got was that they
know they have some kind of problem, but they ask users to type www.
in their browser until it's resolved.

In situations like this I would like to be able to inject an entry
into the cache on our recursive resolvers and point it to the correct
IP until the domain
owner fixes the problem (poison my own cache so to speak). Is this
something that can be done with bind without having to create a zone
for the broken domain and make our servers act as authoritative for
it?


You can do this with RPZ. Simply put:

thebrokensite.org.your.rpz.zone. IN A working.ip.add.r

...into the RPZ zone. This will leave names *under* that zone alone. 
I've used RPZ this way a couple of times to fix temporary problems, but 
you need to be aware of the hole you can dig yourself if you end up 
having to do this permanently.

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injecting a temp entry into dns cache

2013-02-02 Thread Veaceslav Revutchi
There is a credit union website that our users access from work and
their dns has been broken for the past few days where the www. version
works,  but the plain name (without the www.) points to some old IP
that's not responding. Tried to call them and all I got was that they
know they have some kind of problem, but they ask users to type www.
in their browser until it's resolved.

In situations like this I would like to be able to inject an entry
into the cache on our recursive resolvers and point it to the correct
IP until the domain
owner fixes the problem (poison my own cache so to speak). Is this
something that can be done with bind without having to create a zone
for the broken domain and make our servers act as authoritative for
it?

Thank you,
Slava
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Re: injecting a temp entry into dns cache

2013-02-02 Thread Jeff Reasoner
Interesting. Intentionally poison your own cache so your users aren't
inconvenienced by anothers misconfiguration. Not sure how you go about
doing that on box. Perhaps bigger brains on this list can say.

I have had occasion to forge answers locally as an immediate fix for
name resolution issues which caused significant operational problems.

I elected to add the zone in named.conf and answer the query correctly
(and authoritatively) until I could get the owner to correct things. You
will probably need to add other zone records too - MX and any other A
records you can think to search for.

Personally, I wouldn't consider doing something like that in this
situation as you've described. However, mere inconvenience as I perceive
it may be significant your view. 

On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 16:41 -0500, Veaceslav Revutchi wrote:
 There is a credit union website that our users access from work and
 their dns has been broken for the past few days where the www. version
 works,  but the plain name (without the www.) points to some old IP
 that's not responding. Tried to call them and all I got was that they
 know they have some kind of problem, but they ask users to type www.
 in their browser until it's resolved.
 
 In situations like this I would like to be able to inject an entry
 into the cache on our recursive resolvers and point it to the correct
 IP until the domain
 owner fixes the problem (poison my own cache so to speak). Is this
 something that can be done with bind without having to create a zone
 for the broken domain and make our servers act as authoritative for
 it?
 
 Thank you,
 Slava
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Re: injecting a temp entry into dns cache

2013-02-02 Thread Vernon Schryver
  There is a credit union website that our users access from work and
  their dns has been broken for the past few days where the www. version

 From: Jeff Reasoner jeff.reaso...@mail.hccanet.org

 I elected to add the zone in named.conf and answer the query correctly
 (and authoritatively) until I could get the owner to correct things. You
 will probably need to add other zone records too - MX and any other A
 records you can think to search for.

 Personally, I wouldn't consider doing something like that in this
 situation as you've described. ...

On my own computers and for my own busines, I add temporary lines
to /etc/hosts every few months to deal with such problems.  However,
hacking a financial institution by publishing false DNS data to
third parties (including employees) would promise too much excitement
and too little profit for my tastes, especially after talking about
the crime in public.  I doubt that I could convince a court of
technical facts or that I was doing the credit union a favor.  The
credit union would probably convince the authorities (including the
newly sprouting bureaucracy run by the same people who are in charge
of the TSA) that I was responsible for the whole mess from the
beginning.

Besides, do you really want to help drive business to that kind of
financial institution?  If its trivial records like DNS are a persistent
mess, what about the complicated banking records required by law?

If it were competent, the credit union would be using DNSSEC, which
make a local DNS zone useless.


Vernon Schryverv...@rhyolite.com
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Re: injecting a temp entry into dns cache

2013-02-02 Thread Eliezer Croitoru

Hey Slava,

You can use a small DNS proxy that will forge only this specific record 
while for others it will just pass it.

By adding a forward DNS zone and add the proxy as the forward DNS server.

This is *not* recommended but these are the tools you have.
If the DNS proxy is not the well written your users will have troubles.

On 2/2/2013 11:41 PM, Veaceslav Revutchi wrote:

There is a credit union website that our users access from work and
their dns has been broken for the past few days where the www. version
works,  but the plain name (without the www.) points to some old IP
that's not responding. Tried to call them and all I got was that they
know they have some kind of problem, but they ask users to type www.
in their browser until it's resolved.

In situations like this I would like to be able to inject an entry
into the cache on our recursive resolvers and point it to the correct
IP until the domain
owner fixes the problem (poison my own cache so to speak). Is this
something that can be done with bind without having to create a zone
for the broken domain and make our servers act as authoritative for
it?

Thank you,
Slava


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Eliezer Croitoru
http://www1.ngtech.co.il
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