[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin governance

2015-07-01 Thread NxtChg
(sorry for the long post, I tried)

I've been thinking about how we could build an effective Bitcoin governance, 
but couldn't come up with anything remotely plausible.

It seems we might go a different way, though, with Core and XT continue 
co-existing in parallel, mostly in a compatible state, out of the need that 
there can be only one.

Both having the same technical protocol, but different people, structure, 
processes and political standing; serving as a kind of two-party system and 
keeping each other in check.

Their respective power will be determined by the number of Core vs XT nodes 
running and people/businesses on board. They will have to negotiate any 
significant change at the risk of yet another full fork.

And occasionally the full forks will still happen and the minority will have to 
concede and change their protocol to match the winning side.

Can there be any other way? Can you really control a decentralized system with 
a centralized governance, like Core Devs or TBF?



In this view, what's happening is a step _towards_ decentralization, not away 
from it. It proves that Bitcoin is indeed a decentralized system and that 
minority cannot impose its will.

For the sides to agree now would actually be a bad thing, because that would 
mean kicking the governance problem down the road.

And we _need_ to go through this painful split at least once. The block size 
issue is perfect: controversial enough to push the split, but not controversial 
enough so one side couldn't win.



If this is where we're heading then both sides should probably start thinking 
of themselves as opposition parties, instead of whatever they think of 
themselves now.

People and businesses ultimately decide and they need a way to cast a Yes/No 
vote on proposed changes. Hence the two-party system.

If the split in power is, say, 60/40 and the leading party introduces an 
unpopular change, it can quickly lose its advantage.

We already have the democratic party on the left with Gavin and Mike 
representing the wish of the majority and the conservative party on the 
right, who would prefer things to stay the way they are.



Finally, I propose to improve the voting mechanism of Bitcoin to serve this new 
reality better.

Using the upcoming fork as an opportunity, we could add something like 8-byte 
votes into blocks:

* first 4 bytes: fork/party ID, like 'CORE' or 'XT'
* second 4 bytes: proposition number

(or at least add the ID somewhere so the parties wouldn't have to negotiate 
block version numbers). 


Miners are in the business of mining coins, so they are good sensors of where 
the economic majority will be.

We will have a representative democracy, with miners serving as 'hubs', 
collecting all the noise and chatter and casting it into a vote.

This is not perfect, but nothing ever is.

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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin governance

2015-07-01 Thread Milly Bitcoin

It is a common misconception that the core devs govern Bitcoin;

They set standards rather than govern.  It is an important standard, but 
it is a voluntary standard.  How important that standard in terms of 
defining the consensus rules is subject to speculation and the amount of 
influence depends on the specific circumstances. Maybe some wording can 
be changed to reflect that it is a voluntary standard.


Russ

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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin governance

2015-07-01 Thread Justus Ranvier
On 07/01/2015 03:54 AM, Jeffrey Paul wrote:
 could we please limit ourselves to posting about the research and development 
 of Bitcoin Core?

If that's the purpose of this list, then it is misleadingly named.

If development of Bitcoin Core, the application, is to be considered
independent from development of Bitcoin, the protocol, then Bitcoin Core
development needs its own list.



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