Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
Modern Java versions let you bundle the app with a stripped down JVM. I don't know if Jim does that, but I think it's an obvious step towards making MultiBit friendlier and easier to use. BTW I believe most secure browsers (Chrome, Firefox) have banned the applet plugin or severely restrained it anyway. So even if you install the JVM and plugin together there is not an issue. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Caleb James DeLisle calebdeli...@lavabit.com wrote: Java (Applet) security is indeed abysmal but lets compare apples to apples. With an applet some random guy with a website makes up some Java code and your browser automatically executes it. With Multibit you're only executing highly trusted code (so trusted that it handles your money). There has almost never been a Java exploit against secure trusted code. The idea of discouraging use of java apps just because people would be tricked into activating the browser plugin when installing the JVM is probably valid but Multibit is the only reasonably complete client outside of bitcoinqt and I think client diversity is more important than stamping out java. Thanks, Caleb On 07/08/2013 08:22 PM, Robert Backhaus wrote: But... Multibit is Java. Java's security problems has made it an instant uninstall item on windows PCs for about a year now. Java exploits are a dime a dozen. Yes, you can reduce some of the problems by manually disabling the browser plugin, but how many users will do that? Recommending a fast SPV client as a first wallet - yes, of course. Recommending users open such a huge attack interface on their computers by installing Java - No go. Until Multibit is provided as a compiled binary without a Java dependency, it is DOA. On 1 July 2013 02:39, Gary Rowe g.r...@froot.co.uk mailto: g.r...@froot.co.uk wrote: I've beefed up the supporting documentation for the website to make it more accessible for developers who wish to contribute. It's a Java application serving HTML. It can be found here: https://github.com/jim618/multibit-website On 30 June 2013 16:19, Jim jim...@fastmail.co.uk mailto: jim...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: Yeah email jim' was never going to work so I have bumped up MultiBit support (a bit) by: + having a dedicated Support page on the website https://multibit.org/support.html It has fixes and support notes for the most common gotchas. + the in-app help also now has a 'Support' section with Troubleshooting' and the commonest gotchas. I've also written more help to cover as much as possible. + Failing that people are directed first to bitcoin.stackchange.com http://bitcoin.stackchange.com (I have a notification set up for the 'multibit' keyword. + Then finally users are directed to the github issues to search existing or raise a new issue. Gary and Tim often chip in on there to close issues down as well as me. On Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: Sounds like we have consensus, Saivann, shall we do it? I'm also going to ask Theymos again to relax the newbie restrictions for the alt client forums. It's probably too hard to get support at the moment and email jim doesn't scale at all. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Gavin Andresen gavinandre...@gmail.com mailto:gavinandre...@gmail.com wrote: I vote yes to have MultiBit replace Bitcoin-Qt as the recommended desktop wallet app. I think most users will be happier with it. If I'm wrong, it is easy to change back. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net mailto: Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net mailto: Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- https://multibit.orgMoney, reinvented
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
on 07/09/2013 06:56 AM Jim said the following: + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multibit.org server can deliver per day from around 90,000 to 30,000ish. The multibit.org server maxes out at 1 TB of bandwidth per day. You could host your downloads on sourceforge and achieve virtually unlimited capacity. -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Daniel F nanot...@gmail.com wrote: on 07/09/2013 06:56 AM Jim said the following: + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multibit.org server can deliver per day from around 90,000 to 30,000ish. The multibit.org server maxes out at 1 TB of bandwidth per day. You could host your downloads on sourceforge and achieve virtually unlimited capacity. Indeed. There is no reason to worry about download bandwidth these days, for open source software downloads. Move the downloads to a site where such worries do not exist. -- Jeff Garzik Senior Software Engineer and open source evangelist BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/ -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
For those interested in these things the multibit.org server is a dedicated server hosted by the German company http://www.server4you.net. It is physically located in the delightful city of Strasbourg, just on the French side of the French German border. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 03:28 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It also exposes us to a large and potentially hackable mirror network. Whilst we're not bandwidth constrained on our own servers, let's try and keep using them. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Jeff Garzik jgar...@bitpay.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Daniel F nanot...@gmail.com wrote: on 07/09/2013 06:56 AM Jim said the following: + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multibit.org server can deliver per day from around 90,000 to 30,000ish. The multibit.org server maxes out at 1 TB of bandwidth per day. You could host your downloads on sourceforge and achieve virtually unlimited capacity. Indeed. There is no reason to worry about download bandwidth these days, for open source software downloads. Move the downloads to a site where such worries do not exist. -- Jeff Garzik Senior Software Engineer and open source evangelist BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/ -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- https://multibit.orgMoney, reinvented -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
on 07/09/2013 10:28 AM Mike Hearn said the following: SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It also exposes us to a large and potentially hackable mirror network. Whilst we're not bandwidth constrained on our own servers, let's try and keep using them. the point was just that if need be free capacity is available without having to throw money at it. until there's no need, doesn't matter. also hackability (and ui) should be irrelevant for the autoupdate process (which i presume will do all kinds of checksum and sig verification). and it's likely the autoupdates that will create very lumpy download demand. -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
That's true - we could serve new users off our own servers and auto updates off SF.net mirrors, potentially. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Daniel F nanot...@gmail.com wrote: on 07/09/2013 10:28 AM Mike Hearn said the following: SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It also exposes us to a large and potentially hackable mirror network. Whilst we're not bandwidth constrained on our own servers, let's try and keep using them. the point was just that if need be free capacity is available without having to throw money at it. until there's no need, doesn't matter. also hackability (and ui) should be irrelevant for the autoupdate process (which i presume will do all kinds of checksum and sig verification). and it's likely the autoupdates that will create very lumpy download demand. -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd help with your bandwidth issues. Mike Hearn m...@plan99.net wrote: That's true - we could serve new users off our own servers and auto updates off SF.net mirrors, potentially. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Daniel F nanot...@gmail.com wrote: on 07/09/2013 10:28 AM Mike Hearn said the following: SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It also exposes us to a large and potentially hackable mirror network. Whilst we're not bandwidth constrained on our own servers, let's try and keep using them. the point was just that if need be free capacity is available without having to throw money at it. until there's no need, doesn't matter. also hackability (and ui) should be irrelevant for the autoupdate process (which i presume will do all kinds of checksum and sig verification). and it's likely the autoupdates that will create very lumpy download demand. -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
Not any more than sourceforge or github.. None of these solutions are replacements, but rather only supplements to self hosted files. Jeff Garzik jgar...@bitpay.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Nick Simpson n...@mynicknet.com wrote: What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd help with your bandwidth issues. Cloudflare is rapidly becoming a bitcoin community SPOF. -- Jeff Garzik Senior Software Engineer and open source evangelist BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/ -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
That's good to know. Still, at the moment we'd need to dramatically increase the download size and increase Bitcoin usage by 10x to hit our limits. It'd be a good problem to have. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Johnathan Corgan johnat...@corganlabs.comwrote: On 07/09/2013 08:32 AM, Nick Simpson wrote: What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd help with your bandwidth issues. By way of endorsement, at the GNU Radio Project we switched to CloudFlare's free service tier a few months ago. We host on AWS EC2 our own web servers, downloads, and git repositories. CloudFlare has reduced our bandwidth bill by about 50%, with very little pain. -- Johnathan Corgan Corgan Labs - SDR Training and Development Services http://corganlabs.com -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org
It particulary worries me that a lot of sites hand over their SSL private keys to Cloudflare, and they are located in prism land. Cloudflare is rapidly becoming a bitcoin community SPOF. -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
