Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question
In beef and sheep, there are bulls and rams which are dominate polled.'You can use them on what ever kind of horned ewe or cow and never any horn for many generation. I work horned cows, up to 60 and use polled bulls, never one horn to see if selected. Same for SA ram import, on what ever Barbados or horned ewe I use, offspring polled. Because for many years and with big number of livestock, the selected.The genetics are clean and that kind of genetics is so powerful, that the horns are matched out. But in US hair sheep Dorper or what ever, the genepool is way too small. And instead to select first for healthy and strong animals, the genepool get cut down by funny regulations. Regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question Terry, the reason you can't find the genetic research is because it doesn't exist. I've talked to several sheep geneticists the past couple of years and learned that horn genetics are simply not understood and are not being well researched because there is no funding to do so. Therefore, it is our responsibility as breeders to keep excellent records, develop our own hypotheses, and test them as carefully as possible. The conclusions we derive will, in the absence of academic research, hopefully provide information that will be useful to others. Carol At 01:41 PM 1/14/2006 -0800, you wrote: It is stated that if a polled ewe has a horned sire, she is considered American Blackbelly. the question is this-- if the MATERNAL GRANDSIRE is horned, ( the sire is polled) what are the chances of passing that along? Some people would call it generation skipping I am thinking more along the lines-- are horn genetics like hemophilia? Passed through females only, so they can be passed on and not show for several breedings? or must a doubling up occur? I am not finding the kind of genetic research I am looking for on this!!! Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Ewe with Mastitis?
It does sound like mastitis. Since she has claimed the lambs, leave them with mom and supplement their food with formula or goat milk. I have a ewe with mastitis right now, and my vet said that as long as she is eating and drinking, and there is not blood or stringy material coming out of the affected teat(try milking her), medication is not necessary. He recommended hot packing 3-4 times a day, along with massages to break up the mass. Julian ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Ewe with Mastitis?
Well my vet recommends Pennicillin for mastitis. I also supplement if with Banamine for the inflammation. Tha last one I had with mastitis responded very well to 3cc pennicillin every other day for 10 days. Then 3cc of Banamine once a week and also 3cc of dexamethasone once a week. for 3 weeks. I mixed the dex with the penn to keep the pain down on the injection site. dex really burns. penn has procaine to help reduce the pain at the injection so I mixed it with the Banamine and also the dex.No use in adding any more suffering... mastitis is really hard to clear up, and it will come back at the next lambing. I have 3 in that shape this year. 2 had triplets. I lost one of the triplet lambs because I was not following them close enough to see that the little guy was stressed from malnutrition. He died of pneumonia. Supplement with a mild replacer or whatever they will drink. They have a tough enough time as it is. Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: Elaine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Ewe with Mastitis? Hello everyone, We had another ewe (Tag) deliver twins (one ewe, one ram) on the afternoon of Saturday 01/14. When we woke up Saturday, we noticed that her udder had filled larger than we had ever seen, even before her last delivery of twins last year. She was walking very slowly and seemed very uncomfortable before she had the babies, but we thought it was just because her udder was so swollen and because she was obviously going into labor. Yesterday (Sunday) we noticed that she looked like she was favoring one or both of her back feet. Today she is still doing the same thing, but now it looks like the swelling of her udder has also moved toward her abdominal area. The lambs are both nursing, but I can't tell how much milk they are getting. It also seems that they may only be able to get milk out of one of her nipples, as they will both start to nurse at the same time and then the one on the questionable side tries to nurse with the other lamb. They don't seem to be butting her udder too much like they usually do as they begin nursing, just approach and try to nurse. They suckle, but like I said I can't tell how much milk they are getting. Is there any way to tell if she is having trouble getting milk through one or both of her nipples, or will I have to physically try to milk from both and see if anything is coming out? Should I try to bottle feed either or both of these lambs, or will that mess with the ewe's idea that these are her babies? I already have our bottle baby (Pete) from 01/05 and am not looking forward to adopting any more. It is a good experience for me, he is doing incredibly well, but my body and brain are so looking forward to a normal sleep schedule again! I did look up mastitis and the written description sounds like Tag's symptoms although there was no mention of swelling progressing to the abdomen. She is a great mother, a good all-around sheep, and these twins are absolutely beautiful - we would hate to have anything bad happen to her. She is not a full-blood Blackbelly, some kind of cross, and some have referred to her as a Silverbelly. All of you have been so helpful in the past, I'm hoping for more helpful suggestions for this situation. Elaine Wilson ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question
If a horned ewe and a horned ram produce a ewe lamb, is the odds much greater the ewe lamb will have horns? just wondering David Kellough - Original Message - From: hlang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question In beef and sheep, there are bulls and rams which are dominate polled.'You can use them on what ever kind of horned ewe or cow and never any horn for many generation. I work horned cows, up to 60 and use polled bulls, never one horn to see if selected. Same for SA ram import, on what ever Barbados or horned ewe I use, offspring polled. Because for many years and with big number of livestock, the selected.The genetics are clean and that kind of genetics is so powerful, that the horns are matched out. But in US hair sheep Dorper or what ever, the genepool is way too small. And instead to select first for healthy and strong animals, the genepool get cut down by funny regulations. Regards Helmut - Original Message - From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question Terry, the reason you can't find the genetic research is because it doesn't exist. I've talked to several sheep geneticists the past couple of years and learned that horn genetics are simply not understood and are not being well researched because there is no funding to do so. Therefore, it is our responsibility as breeders to keep excellent records, develop our own hypotheses, and test them as carefully as possible. The conclusions we derive will, in the absence of academic research, hopefully provide information that will be useful to others. Carol At 01:41 PM 1/14/2006 -0800, you wrote: It is stated that if a polled ewe has a horned sire, she is considered American Blackbelly. the question is this-- if the MATERNAL GRANDSIRE is horned, ( the sire is polled) what are the chances of passing that along? Some people would call it generation skipping I am thinking more along the lines-- are horn genetics like hemophilia? Passed through females only, so they can be passed on and not show for several breedings? or must a doubling up occur? I am not finding the kind of genetic research I am looking for on this!!! Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question
Basic genetics would say yes as the liklihood of getting all the genetics necessary to produce horns would be greater. Terry --- David Kellough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a horned ewe and a horned ram produce a ewe lamb, is the odds much greater the ewe lamb will have horns? just wondering David Kellough ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
