Re: [blackbelly] lamb sucking technique

2006-03-19 Thread Cecil Bearden
I have a 5 day old blackbelly 2 1/2 to 3 lbs ewe lamb that I found wandering 
in the sheep lot last Monday night.  It appeared to be less than 12 hours 
old.  I have not been able to find its mother.  I had at least 2 ewes have 
lambs that day.  The one ewe that seemed to be the mother would not butt it 
away when it tried to suck, but had no milk available beyond the lamb it was 
nursing.  I have been feeding this lamb with a pritchard teat on a bottle. 
It would only suck about 6cc when I tried to feed it about every 1 1/2 
hours.  I have been tube feeding it for the last 3 days.  It is very alert 
and active, it will run the entire length of the house, and has good heart 
sounds.  However, when I try to get it to suck the bottle, it seems to fight 
the nipple rather than suck.  It exhibits all the necessary response to 
suck, and looks for a nipple, but it gets its tongue crossways in its mouth 
rather than longways to suck the nipple.  After a short time of trying to 
nurse the bottle, it appears to be tired out.  I have tried to get it to 
suck my litte finger, and I have to get my finger on the back of the tongue 
before it will suck.  I have tried several other nipples with no results.  I 
have pritchard nipples with large and small holes, but cannot get her to 
suck. The large hole nipple crestes a gagging response sometimes.   I have 
tried the feeding tube on the back of the tongue and seem to get some vacuum 
on the end of the tube, but cannot get her to pull milk from a bottle with 
the tube attached.  I think this lamb is possibly about 2 weeks premature. 
I have also tried to get her to drink from a bowl but have not had any 
success.

I have a good veterinarian friend that can find no problem with her so far, 
she just won't suck

Does anyone have any experience or suggestions??

Helmut are you listening?  I am sure you have had this problem before..

Cecil in OKla 

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Re: [blackbelly] lamb sucking technique

2006-03-19 Thread The Wintermutes
We are currently raising our first premature bottle baby.  She was born way
early as a triplet and the other two siblings died.  We don't think the
sibling's lungs were ready yet.  But the baby girl that lived had to be fed
very frequently and might only take a few good draws/sucks on the nipple.
We used a very soft silicone nipple with a cross cut into the end to
increase flow.  When we lowered the bottle the milk would just start
dripping out (very messy).  The baby needed a lot of holding and comforting
to keep her spirits up enough to eat.  It took attention from our whole
family in shifts to bring her around.  If she didn't take a good meal we
would retry in another 15 to 30 minutes.  This little girl is now out in the
barnyard with the other bottle babies and lambs doing fine.

Mark

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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] lamb sucking technique

I have a 5 day old blackbelly 2 1/2 to 3 lbs ewe lamb that I found wandering

in the sheep lot last Monday night.  It appeared to be less than 12 hours 
old.  I have not been able to find its mother.  I had at least 2 ewes have 
lambs that day.  The one ewe that seemed to be the mother would not butt it 
away when it tried to suck, but had no milk available beyond the lamb it was

nursing.  I have been feeding this lamb with a pritchard teat on a bottle. 
It would only suck about 6cc when I tried to feed it about every 1 1/2 
hours.  I have been tube feeding it for the last 3 days.  It is very alert 
and active, it will run the entire length of the house, and has good heart 
sounds.  However, when I try to get it to suck the bottle, it seems to fight

the nipple rather than suck.  It exhibits all the necessary response to 
suck, and looks for a nipple, but it gets its tongue crossways in its mouth 
rather than longways to suck the nipple.  After a short time of trying to 
nurse the bottle, it appears to be tired out.  I have tried to get it to 
suck my litte finger, and I have to get my finger on the back of the tongue 
before it will suck.  I have tried several other nipples with no results.  I

have pritchard nipples with large and small holes, but cannot get her to 
suck. The large hole nipple crestes a gagging response sometimes.   I have 
tried the feeding tube on the back of the tongue and seem to get some vacuum

on the end of the tube, but cannot get her to pull milk from a bottle with 
the tube attached.  I think this lamb is possibly about 2 weeks premature. 
I have also tried to get her to drink from a bowl but have not had any 
success.

I have a good veterinarian friend that can find no problem with her so far, 
she just won't suck

Does anyone have any experience or suggestions??

Helmut are you listening?  I am sure you have had this problem before..

Cecil in OKla 

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Re: [blackbelly] lamb sucking technique

2006-03-19 Thread Onalee Israel, Onalee's Home Grown Seeds
I find that often the ones that put their tongue sideways have a cold and
can't smell and therefore are reluctant to suck.  Can you hear any
congestion in her lungs or does she have a runny nose?  Although difficult
to do, I generally try to give these a shot of gallimyacin (sp?) and
continue to feed with a tube until they start feeling better (I don't tube
down into their bellies, but put a short tube on a syringe and put the milk
on the back of their tongue and make them swallow it).  Also, hold your
fingers on the side of their mouth to try to keep their tongue in straight.
Some lambs like the harder nipples, not sure of the name, but they are the
black 'goat/sheep' nipples that go on coke bottles that I get at the feed
store, the really soft white nipples are hard to get in their mouths when
they are fighting you, because they collapse so easily.  I usually put a
pretty big hole in them so the milk will flow out without much effort on the
baby's part, this does tend to make a mess, I agree, but I try to make sure
the baby is swallowing every so often so that at least SOMETHING is getting
down them.  After a couple of days they usually come around and start
sucking once they can smell.

Another thing I've done is give them a tiny bit of probios, this sometimes
helps get them eating better.

I always clean the milk mess off the baby with warm water after each feeding
is all done to keep them from getting so sticky and messy.

Onalee


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Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags

2006-03-19 Thread Carol J. Elkins
No, it just means that the only tags currently approved FOR SALE are the 
2Xte tags. The scrapie tags you apply, whether tamper-proof or not, are 
permanent tags and should never be removed. If you have questions about 
Premier's tags, call Stephanie Sexton at (800) 282-6631. She knows more 
about scrapie tags than the government does!

Carol

At 10:30 AM 3/19/2006 -0800, you wrote:
 Only TamperProof versions of 2X tags (2XT) are approved by USDA-APHIS
 for use in the Mandatory Approved and Voluntary (SFCP) Sheep Scrapie
 programs. For approved tamperproof tags please see our new 2XTE tags.
 Regular 2X tags are no longer approved for any scrapie program.

Does that mean I have to remove the 2X tags I bought last year, and 
replace them with 2Xte tags???  That doesn't sound like fun...

Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz
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Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep

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