Re: [blackbelly] sheep eating the barn

2007-04-23 Thread Cecil Bearden
Sounds like they need salt or mineral.  Mine will always eat the tree 
bark off the trees in the pen if they get nervous.  Do you keep hay 
available near the barn.  If they do not have something to nibble on 
they get nervous.  Blackbelly Ewes  have 2 gears,  Eat and Crap.  If 
they can't eat they can't crap and they get nervous.  We will discuss 
Rams later.

Cecil in Okla

Beth or Garland Stamper wrote:
 Robert Roze wrote:

   
 I discovered that my sheep have recently taken to nibbling on the barn, 
 which is made of wood. 

 
 Hi Robert,

 The best product we've found for wood chewing by horses and sheep is 
 Halt Cribbing.  You paint it on or you can get a small spray can for 
 touch ups.  You can buy it at ranch stores or through most of the 
 catalogs...like Jeffers.

 Good luck,

 Beth Stamper
 Sierra Luna Blackbelly Sheep
 Powell Butte, OR
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[blackbelly] Crippled new born -

2007-04-23 Thread Nancy Tom Richardson
Hello, I have had a new born Jacob who won't lower his back legs . He wants 
to keep them drawn up . Any ideas? I have had 2 others born that couldn't 
stand. The legs would fold under at the first joint. Like they were weak. 
they never got any stronger. Each of these lambs were born with soft spots 
on their head. I have been told sheep don't have this. Any ideas? Thanks 
Nancy 

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Re: [blackbelly] sheep eating the barn

2007-04-23 Thread Beth or Garland Stamper
Cecil Bearden wrote:

Sounds like they need salt or mineral. 

Cecil,

I agree.  But...mine do have free access to salt and minerals.  The baby 
lambs love to teeth on my barn so a little spray of halt cribbing deters 
them.  I have a beautiful wooden barn...I don't want it eaten by 
anyone.  I live on a 5 acre piece of juniper land on a ridge so there's 
no grass except in the spring.  My sheep and horses are on dry lots and 
fed hay and some grain.  We have noticed that the sheep and horses WILL 
chew because they are programmed to brouse/graze for most of 24 hrs in 
the wild.  We wire wrap the trees that we want saved and also provide 
cut juniper limbs for them to chew on.  Seems to help.  They do get 
bored, also and want to chew.  We feed hay at least 3 times a day, too.

Beth in Central OR
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Re: [blackbelly] Crippled new born -

2007-04-23 Thread Onalee Israel, Onalee's Home Grown Seeds
I haven't had that exact problem but have had weak lambs with very stiff
joints that wouldn't want to try to stand.  We would work with them, moving
the joints slowly until they would get full range of motion and also
massaging the muscles of the back, hips and thighs and helping them stand up
and walk until they got the stiffness out.  We had one lamb we had to do
this several times over a 2 day period, but he eventually got out of it and
did fine. I didn't notice any softness of his head, though - probably not
the exact same problem.  

Onalee


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Re: [blackbelly] Crippled new born -

2007-04-23 Thread cover

Nancy,

There are several viruses which cause weakness and neurological problems
in lambs whose mothers were exposed during pregnancy. Only a percentage of the
flock may be infected. I couldn't find anything that described the soft spots
though.  Also what about the genetics of your sheep. Are the ewes related that
produced the deformed lambs or are they from the same ram? Finally did 
you worm
or give any kind of vaccine or anti-toxin to the ewes during pregnancy?
Sometimes these things can cause deformities.

Sincerely,

Cathleen





Quoting Nancy  Tom Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hello, I have had a new born Jacob who won't lower his back legs . He wants
 to keep them drawn up . Any ideas? I have had 2 others born that couldn't
 stand. The legs would fold under at the first joint. Like they were weak.
 they never got any stronger. Each of these lambs were born with soft spots
 on their head. I have been told sheep don't have this. Any ideas? Thanks
 Nancy

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Re: [blackbelly] Crippled new born -

2007-04-23 Thread Terry

 
 any period of time, say within the first trimester, that the ewe would have
gotten too warm? Any vitamin/ mineral deficiency throughout/ or a period of the
pregnancy? Especially of B vitamins-- Any injuries to the ewe prior to  lambing
or during the last trimester? breech births? Are their tails normal in shape
and appearance?

 Terry W

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Re: [blackbelly] Sheep eating barn

2007-04-23 Thread design
Aside from the afore mentioned minerals (loose minerals specifically for
sheep, or a sheep mineral block, or a Sweet Lick for sheep), you can also
try some Cider Vinegar. Poor in a bucket. Preferably raw unfiltered apple
cider vinegar.

  I discovered that my sheep have recently taken to nibbling on the
barn, which is
made of wood.

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Re: [blackbelly] Crippled Lamb

2007-04-23 Thread design
I can't speak specifically to shortened or tight ligaments or soft spots,
but for many lamb weaknesses/deformities I've seen in the last five years,
at least on the West Coast, selenium has been the issue.

You might give him a dose of selenium and Nutri-drench an see if it helps.
If the ligaments really are short (a deformity) there may be nothing you
can do. With horses born this way, surgery is the only option, and it
often doesn't work. If he is simply uncomfortable in his gut, you can try
some baking soda, cider vinegar and water in a syringe. Follow up with
Pro-Bios for bovine/ovine. I'm sure others on the list have other ideas.


I have had a new born Jacob who won't lower his back legs . He wants
to keep them drawn up . Any ideas? I have had 2 others born that couldn't
stand. The legs would fold under at the first joint. Like they were weak.
they never got any stronger. Each of these lambs were born with soft spots
on their head. 
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Re: [blackbelly] Crippled new born -

2007-04-23 Thread Christine Handley
I have had this happen with 3-4 goat kids this year. This is the first time 
I have had it in any number.
The kids are all about 4 weeks old now and are fine and walking normal.
I think it may be just due to positioning in the womb, or cramping.
Was the ewe a smaller size?
Chris H.
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 Hello, I have had a new born Jacob who won't lower his back legs . He 
 wants
 to keep them drawn up . Any ideas? I have had 2 others born that couldn't
 stand. The legs would fold under at the first joint. Like they were weak.
 they never got any stronger. Each of these lambs were born with soft spots
 on their head. I have been told sheep don't have this. Any ideas? Thanks
 Nancy

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Re: [blackbelly] Crippled new born -

2007-04-23 Thread Stephanie Parrish
Nancy,

Are the hind limbs contracted?  In other words, are they unable to be 
straightened even if you try to pull them straight?

If the joints are bent and seem to be fixed that way (contracted), 
that is called arthrogryposis, and, as has been said already, can be 
due to genetics, or to some insult during pregnancy such as toxic plant 
ingestion, chemical toxicity, or infection w/ mosquito-borne viruses 
(Cache Valley Virus).  If it is mild, there is a chance physical 
therapy could help.  If severe, chance of recovery is poor.

If it is just muscle weakness, and the legs can actually be 
straightened, then Selenium/Vitamin E deficiency, and other conditions 
causing weakness are more likely.

Stephanie P
Westminster, SC

On Apr 23, 2007, at 12:41 PM, Nancy  Tom Richardson wrote:

 Hello, I have had a new born Jacob who won't lower his back legs . He 
 wants
 to keep them drawn up . Any ideas? I have had 2 others born that 
 couldn't
 stand. The legs would fold under at the first joint. Like they were 
 weak.
 they never got any stronger. Each of these lambs were born with soft 
 spots
 on their head. I have been told sheep don't have this. Any ideas? 
 Thanks
 Nancy

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