Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns
Excellent post Barb! That is the sobering truth of the matter. Jennifer, Hi, I'm Chris Buchanan. I live in north Alabama. I have a young American Blackbelly(horned blackbelly) ram that I would gladly donate to your zoo if you want him. He is not a bottle lamb which should be a plus. He is quite handsome with wide horns and will be one year old next week. He is the "pick" ramlamb from last winter's lambing. I was planning on keeping him but we can and will make more. :0) I can take a couple of pictures this weekend if you are interested and send them to you. Some of his ancestors can be seen here: http://www.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&ext=1&groupid=299233&ck= The only "catch" is: Someone has to come get him or have him transported. I am in Decatur, off I-65. If you have any questions feel free to ask. You can email me off the list if you prefer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris B. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:30 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns Please accept this advice in the spirit in which it is given. To a horned blackbelly breeder, a horn growing into the face represents a serious, life-threatening genetic defect. Horned rams with splendid racks that do not threaten their quality of life are easily obtainable. In my humblest of opinions, I would not let this animal breed, nor display it as representative of its breed. If it is also obnoxious and dangerous, I think it would be best euthanized and a more appropriate ram with correct horns be obtained. Good rams are neither rare nor expensive. Having the horn skillfully trimmed would probably be much more expensive than the animal is worth. Best regards, Barb Lee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 176
As many of you know we breed for wide open horns. I have posted some more pictures of some of our rams & other sheep for those who like to look. It is possible to have horns cut or clipped and the ram live. Look at Copperhead on our BB web page. He broke off his bottom horn off at the skull just this past year. It was almost 14" long. He did fine with only minimul doctoring. Nancy www.freewbs.com/mossyspringsranch Thanks for looking! > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns
I CAST MY VOTE WITH BARB L. & GARLAND - BESIDES, THEY ARE DELICIOUS! ANDY. ELKHART LAKE WISCONSIN Quoting GARLAND STAMPER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all, > > I totally agree with Barb L. I'm also of the opinion that there are very > > good, respectable rams out there that sport much better horns. Having > "naturally" cleaned some of our butcher rams' skulls...I would hesitate > to > trim horns on this 3-year-old ram. I would think it would cut into the > horn > core and risk the animals's life. Better to humanely euthanize him and > get > another young ram. > > Sorry to be so blunt...but it is my opinion. We raise rams (which I love > > for their antics) and live with several right now. There is also no need > to > have one that is hard to handle. > > Beth in central OR > Sierra Luna Blackbelly Sheep > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns
Hi all, I totally agree with Barb L. I'm also of the opinion that there are very good, respectable rams out there that sport much better horns. Having "naturally" cleaned some of our butcher rams' skulls...I would hesitate to trim horns on this 3-year-old ram. I would think it would cut into the horn core and risk the animals's life. Better to humanely euthanize him and get another young ram. Sorry to be so blunt...but it is my opinion. We raise rams (which I love for their antics) and live with several right now. There is also no need to have one that is hard to handle. Beth in central OR Sierra Luna Blackbelly Sheep ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns
Please accept this advice in the spirit in which it is given. To a horned blackbelly breeder, a horn growing into the face represents a serious, life-threatening genetic defect. Horned rams with splendid racks that do not threaten their quality of life are easily obtainable. In my humblest of opinions, I would not let this animal breed, nor display it as representative of its breed. If it is also obnoxious and dangerous, I think it would be best euthanized and a more appropriate ram with correct horns be obtained. Good rams are neither rare nor expensive. Having the horn skillfully trimmed would probably be much more expensive than the animal is worth. Best regards, Barb Lee - Original Message - From: "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns >I am not a horned breeder, so I can't answer Jennifer's questions. > Can someone else help out here? > > Carol > > At 06:53 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote: >>Hi, >>I am the head of hoofstock at the Alabama Gulf Coast Zoo. I have a >>3 year old hand raised blackbelly ram that has started having issues >>with 1 horn. It is a very nice spiral but it is too close to his >>face. At first it didn't look like a problem as it grew, but now it >>has grown too close to his eye and face. Can it be trained away >>after it has gotten like this? The spot is halfway down the spiral, >>so trimming it would be tricky. How close to the end is the blood >>supply? He is also a typical handraised ram in a close area so it is >>always a fight to do anything with him. >>Thanks in advance >>Jennifer Koehler > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns
I am not a horned breeder, so I can't answer Jennifer's questions. Can someone else help out here? Carol At 06:53 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote: >Hi, >I am the head of hoofstock at the Alabama Gulf Coast Zoo. I have a >3 year old hand raised blackbelly ram that has started having issues >with 1 horn. It is a very nice spiral but it is too close to his >face. At first it didn't look like a problem as it grew, but now it >has grown too close to his eye and face. Can it be trained away >after it has gotten like this? The spot is halfway down the spiral, >so trimming it would be tricky. How close to the end is the blood >supply? He is also a typical handraised ram in a close area so it is >always a fight to do anything with him. >Thanks in advance >Jennifer Koehler ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
