Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis
At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: >IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then >coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. >Sulfa also works. >There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem >with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and >sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the >intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. > >My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. > >Cecil in OKla Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee has experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She reported that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where coccidiostats didn't. Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 Re: Wasting Away
My vet always has me to worm first with cydectin. His concern is the barber pole worm. I only have to worm maybe twice a year. I have never had a problem with the cydectin and the pregnant ewes. Valbazen has been the vets choice for other types of worms such as the flat worms. Our floating fecal have been excellent each month. Good luck! Mark Fleming Lamar, Missouri -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.in fo or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Wasting Away (Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)) 2. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 3. Re: Wasting Away (Onalee Israel) 4. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark) 5. Re: Wasting Away (helen) 6. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 7. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 8. Re: Wasting Away (Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)) 9. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:41:02 -0400 From: "Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra, Energy\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: AP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You need to check the lower eyelid of your animals to look for signs of anemia, if they have anemia then you need to use dewormer as soon as posible. I have good experience using garlic juice, and oregano to help the dewormer. Normally I gave 2 or 3 cc orally of garlic juice. You would find garlic juice and oregano at the supermarket. Other people recommend the use of parsley too. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:41 PM > I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from > progressively wasting > away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it > takes about 1-2 > weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am > at a loss. I > have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but > they seem to > die within a day or two anyway. > > These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born > here), however, I > have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal > White Sheep to > my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. > My original > flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly > (with a bit > of grain) and get minerals. > > Anybody have any ideas? > > John > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at > %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101
John, I lost one weather in Southern CA to what several sheep folks, including the Cal Poly sheep manager, felt was Johne's. He wasted for more than a couple weeks. Maybe months. He was several years old. I was the caretaker and couldn't get the owner to euthanize. Came from an original flock in the high desert area. Since moving to Oregon, I've had good luck with my Blackbellys until recently. This Winter I had several sheep get sore behind. I assumed it was the doing of King Henry, my ram now in the freezer :0. Then I notice one ewe began to lay down a lot, and finally had what looked like pink eye in one eye. I hit her with LA200. Several folks suggested coccidia. This ewe came to me about 6 months prior to falling ill so anything my sheep could have been carriers I suppose. In any case, the ewe recovered, lambed, then 3 weeks later, died after several days of wasting and appearing to stagger and be drunk. I did try the LA200 but too late. I was okay with it until I cam home and found her twin lambs, who had kept away from her for several days of their accord, lying with her body. She'd been alive that morning, but failing. That just broke my heart. Nobody else appeared to fall ill. Possible she could have retained a placenta or gotten an infection from lambing, but there was no discharge or smell. When I had my sheep in Amity they thrived. Over the last year, I've had them back in Boring where they originated, I have had the problems, such as this one, lameness behind (still assuming it was the ram) and then my one ewe that gets sick every Spring. i.e. The farm had sheep on it years back.. don't know what kind or how long ago. Each year there were a few sheep here that got scours and got really thin. The vet felt that those individuals were eating a toxic plant (something yellow, like Buttercup). Other cattle/sheep people I talk to feel that some sheep just can't handle the Spring grass. I have one ewe that just gets sickly each Spring and I keep thinking I'll butcher her. But this year after the grass died, she started laying down a lot. I was going to hit her with LA200 and was concerned she'd fallen to the same fate as the one that died. But she's suddenly appearing better, and has recovered her weight and no longer has scours (until next Spring, unless the new prop erty they are going to has a more agreeable pasture). Which by the way... I couldn't get the sheep on the stock trailer. Anyone in my area willing to come help? Neither of my dogs could do better than getting them to stand in front of the trailer door and any further pushing only created chaos. Tried grain. Would appreciate the help. I'm in Boring, OR Re the vet fee what you might do in the future if you lose one is get it to the vet school right away for a necropsy. The previous owner of my sheep had a ewe and two lambs drop dead and she did that... they suspected digitalis which does grow here. Tracy Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:17:18 -0400 From: "Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra, Energy\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I originally suspected Johne's Disease, but the latest victim is only 6months old (I think that would rule out OPP as well). My understanding is that JD takes several years to manifest. Worming: Poisons: I may have to bite the bullet and take it to the vet... I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. From: Dayna Denmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101
Hello, We use cattle cydectin not sheep. Our vet says that the sheep isn't strong enough. Use the cattle orally at a rate of 1 cc per 20 pounds. This give 2 .5 of wormer where the other is only 1 per 11 pounds. It has worked great for us the past couple of years. - We did use the sheep and lost a few to worms even when they had been wormed good at its called for dosage.. - Cattle seems to also be cheaper to use which really helps. This is just my 2 cents can't say if it will work for you. We also use it when pregnant at anytime. Nancy - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I understand that cydectin is not recommended if they are pregnant. Also I understand that cydectin is the last resource after other dewormers proved not to be effective. For sure the new animals bring to much worms or new worms that the other animals were not exposed in so much quantity. A good idea would be to check with they former owner to see what dewormer they were using and how frequently they used and that would give an idea if the worm would be resistant to that dewormer, in that case you would need to use a different type. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Onalee Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Onalee Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:39 PM Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest using either Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd, it's a waste of time and money). This should be done immediately and may need to be repeated in 2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron supplement and B-12 would be a big help, too. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT) From: AP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can you give some details about the dieing process of the animals? That would help. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, helen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: helen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:54 PM I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I see my sheep acting puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is growing in your pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces for worms, check for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest areas, ie; udder scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with turkey mite this year and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can be wrong and go unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose our sheep with the nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours get sick.) Thank goodness that doesn't happen often. Helen ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:17:18 -0400 From: "Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra, Energy\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: Message-ID: <[EMA
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away
here is a link http://www.case-agworld.com/cAw.LUcocc.html Cecil in OKla Dayna Denmark wrote: Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis
IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Dayna Denmark wrote: Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away
Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
In response to many inquiries (and thanks for the responses). I originally suspected Johne's Disease, but the latest victim is only 6months old (I think that would rule out OPP as well). My understanding is that JD takes several years to manifest. Worming: I live in southeast texas where humidity and heat are brutal. My worming pattern is seasonal. Typically during the summer (July-Sept) I worm every 2-3 mnths (I look for signs and try to stretch it). And the remainder of the year I go 3-5months (again looking for signs). I dont do fecals, but I can usually catch bottle jaw pretty quick. I rotate pastures about every 2 months too. I primarily worm with Valbazen (oral), but switch to Ivomec (SubQ or Oral depending on severity) during breading times. Im thinking of going to Cydectin (oral) instead of Ivomec as soon as I run out. I have wormed within the last two weeks so I don't think it is worms. I have just dosed the latest one with Valbazen, we'll see what happens. Poisons: I suspected that too, except all my sheep flock together, and I have had sheep on the pasture for 3 years now. It may be inorganic, but the others don't seem to be showing signs (knock on wood) I may have to bite the bullet and take it to the vet. I just hate to spend the money and find out they don't know (or its incurable). But then again, I don't want to loose the whole flock. -Original Message- From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:41 PM To: 'blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info' Subject: Wasting Away I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
Can you give some details about the dieing process of the animals? That would help. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, helen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: helen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:54 PM > I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I > see my sheep acting > puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is > growing in your > pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces > for worms, check > for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest > areas, ie; udder > scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with > turkey mite this year > and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can > be wrong and go > unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose > our sheep with the > nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours > get sick.) Thank > goodness that doesn't happen often. > Helen > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at > %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
I understand that cydectin is not recommended if they are pregnant. Also I understand that cydectin is the last resource after other dewormers proved not to be effective. For sure the new animals bring to much worms or new worms that the other animals were not exposed in so much quantity. A good idea would be to check with they former owner to see what dewormer they were using and how frequently they used and that would give an idea if the worm would be resistant to that dewormer, in that case you would need to use a different type. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Onalee Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Onalee Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:39 PM > Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest > using either > Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd, > it's a waste of time > and money). This should be done immediately and may need > to be repeated in > 2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron > supplement and > B-12 would be a big help, too. > > Onalee > > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at > %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I see my sheep acting puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is growing in your pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces for worms, check for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest areas, ie; udder scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with turkey mite this year and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can be wrong and go unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose our sheep with the nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours get sick.) Thank goodness that doesn't happen often. Helen ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away
If it's not nutritional deficiencies and parasites it could be ovine progressive pneumonia (OPP). OPP is a progressive pneumonia that is similar to AIDS in humans, taking at least 2 years to manifest its signs. The virus slowly causes progressive lung damage. Ewes gradually lose stamina and body condition and have serious breathing problems, ending in physical weakness and fatal pneumonia. OPP is transmitted from ewe to lamb primarily through milk. It can be transmitted from infected animals via respiratory secretions. There are tests to determine if the animal has OPP but there is no cure or vaccine. Ovine progressive pneumonia is another example of a "purchased disease" and certainly underlines the need to be extremely careful when buying the initial flock and any replacement animals. Any animals that test positive should be isolated and culled . Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest using either Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd, it's a waste of time and money). This should be done immediately and may need to be repeated in 2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron supplement and B-12 would be a big help, too. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
You need to check the lower eyelid of your animals to look for signs of anemia, if they have anemia then you need to use dewormer as soon as posible. I have good experience using garlic juice, and oregano to help the dewormer. Normally I gave 2 or 3 cc orally of garlic juice. You would find garlic juice and oregano at the supermarket. Other people recommend the use of parsley too. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:41 PM > I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from > progressively wasting > away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it > takes about 1-2 > weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am > at a loss. I > have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but > they seem to > die within a day or two anyway. > > These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born > here), however, I > have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal > White Sheep to > my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. > My original > flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly > (with a bit > of grain) and get minerals. > > Anybody have any ideas? > > John > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at > %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Wasting Away
I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
