Re: [Blackbelly] Underdeveloped twin, please help
At 07:17 PM 2/28/2009, Michael Smith wrote: >He suggested tubing him, and taught me how, and we got 4oz in him the >first time. I was very encouraged. But, each time thereafter, I'd get >a bit in, and then when adjusting the tube a bit, the syringe/funnel >(no plunger in syringe) would fill back up with 20cc of milk or so, >with a rancid smell. I hate to say it, but probably the most merciful thing you can do is put him down. I've never successfully nursed a lamb or kid out of something like this. Even if they've lingered for a couple months, they have always died eventually... they just never do well. Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Underdeveloped twin, please help
Oh it's all too sad. I can only repeat myself to go get some Guava juice and feed it to the lamb. Aloha a hui hou kaua! (Goodbye until we meet again) Barbara Heavens POB 1869, Kea`au, Hawaii 96749 (808) 968-0814 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 36
does anybody know the requirements for shipping BB's to Canada (BC) from Oregon/Washington? Tracy Wessel Kylie's Shambhavi Rose (ILP Groenendael), HSAsd, STDsdc, JHD, CGC "Savannah," Basquelaine Cat On The Scent (Tevuren, Gaelera BigMtn Brennerain x Hexen House Iserah) SAR Cert "Jairam," Chittaprasad Jairam du Volant (Groenendael, Orsam de Salte Cabre x Baikadunia), SAR training ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Underdeveloped twin, please help
Had a ewe with one of her twins half the weight of the other. At 2 weeks, he's 4.5lbs and she is 8lbs. His name is Bam Bam. here he is on his birthday, you can see the size difference: http://picasaweb.google.com/mwsmotorsports/February_LambS213091011AM#5302876349358364882 Noticed after a few days, he was always listless, hunched, not frolicking, and I started to bottle-feed him some pasteurized goat's milk from the store, to supplement what he was getting from his mom. His mom would feed both sibs, but Bam Bam seemed never to be getting more energy. After supplementing her feeding, he seemed to rally a bit, At this point, it was time for us to separate the lambs, since we were planning to bottle-feed them from here on out, anyway. He again became more listless and no prancing around. He has never been a bottle-puncher and always acts like he is full. trying to be patient with him, you're lucky to get 1oz in in 10 minutes. The other 8-10 lb lambs, of course, can kill 10oz in a feeding. His temp was about 100.3 in the middle of the day. Being new to sheep, I took him in to the local livestock vet who is also a sheep breeder. He suggested tubing him, and taught me how, and we got 4oz in him the first time. I was very encouraged. But, each time thereafter, I'd get a bit in, and then when adjusting the tube a bit, the syringe/funnel (no plunger in syringe) would fill back up with 20cc of milk or so, with a rancid smell. In the mornings, even in an enclosure with a heat lamp, his temp could be as low as 95.5. Usually 97.5 or so. Two days of trying to tube always resulted in the rancid milk and in one case, vomiting. Took him in this morning and the doc tried to tube him himself. Same result, he said the reticulum was holding the milk till it was going bad, which is why he gets no nutrients. He credited the smell with the milk being spoiled and mixed with mucous. I thought it was bile but he said sheep don't have bile in their reticulum. His diagnosis: the little ram is not fully passing the milk on thru his digestive tract. He has "some" feces and urine, but not enough. His prescription: Today has been sub-Q dextrose only 4x a day, and one vit-B shot (1/2 cc) per day. Try to get any remaining milk thru his system. Tomorrow will be: electrolytes via tube, and vit-B. Towards the end of the day, if I can mix in a bit of milk, to add to the tube, I will try. The point is to try to get his temp up and get him digesting. My question: is he just mal-formed and doomed, or has anyone seen a case where he could be less developed than his sister and be nursed along until his digestive tract catches on? Michael. Perino Ranch Blackbellies. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Question about best way to induce belching
If you are trying to correct a frothy bloat, a surfactant is needed. I have used about 1/4 teaspoon of Palmolive green ( the old stuff) in a pint of water through a stomach tube. You will see relief in a few minutes. Cecil in OKla Paul & Renee Bailey wrote: I've tubed baking soda and water before when our goats needed immediate help. If it's not an emergency, I offer up, free choice, both loose baking soda and minerals. The goats and sheep seem to know when and how much they need. -Renee From: day...@msn.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:36:33 -0800 Subject: [Blackbelly] Question about best way to induce belching What products and techniques work the best to get some belching going in an animal? Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Question about best way to induce belching
I've tubed baking soda and water before when our goats needed immediate help. If it's not an emergency, I offer up, free choice, both loose baking soda and minerals. The goats and sheep seem to know when and how much they need. -Renee > From: day...@msn.com > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:36:33 -0800 > Subject: [Blackbelly] Question about best way to induce belching > > > What products and techniques work the best to get some belching going in an > animal? > > Dayna Denmark > > Half Ass Acres > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Question about best way to induce belching
What products and techniques work the best to get some belching going in an animal? Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
