Re: [Blackbelly] was Copper/trace minerals. and a NOW poll

2012-01-03 Thread Cecil R Bearden
It appears that this is a legitimate poll, and these folks really need 
our help as fellow livestock owners and breeders and pet owners.  We 
have had the same type of problem here in OK with humane organizations 
trying to tell a donkey rescue org how to care of their animals.  I am 
not a Donkey expert, but it appears that if a Donkey has been starved 
and then gets more than enough food it will founder.  The humane org was 
upset that hay was not out all the time.  Most of these organizations 
are manned by people with more money than brains, and think that hay 
flows from a spout like water..  I lost a ewe, one of my bottle 
raised ones, Friday.  She stopped eating.  first thought was worms, or 
some infection.  I wormed her and gave antibiotics 10 days ago, and she 
improved.  I was ready to doctor her again Friday morning, and found her 
dead.  She was autopsied by my vet.  He found plenty of fat around the 
kidneys indicating that she was in great shape, and did not want for 
food.  I had been concerned as hay is in short supply, and I have been 
limiting access to hay and also to wheat grazing.  We found a blockage 
in the stomach.  This blockage was caused by a tear strip and string 
from a sack of Ivomec feed type wormer.  I use it to worm them in the 
feed.  This type was really palatable as it used milk replacer as a 
medium for the drug.  A few weeks ago, this sack was in my shop and not 
in a closed barrel.  The sheep got into the shop to eat the cat food, 
and got into the sack of wormer and ate over half of it.  The wormer is 
not really toxic, but the tear strip is.  Since this was a bottle raised 
sheep, she had an affinity for milk replacer.  She also did not know not 
to eat paper and string, as the normally raised animals do not mess with 
baler twine or net wrap.  ( just an observation)


Sorry for the long post, but we need to support  our fellow farmers, and 
I just want the rest of you to benefit from this bad experience with 
feed sacks.  I just hate losing any one of my sheep, bottle baby or 
not.  I might also add that we found she was pregnant and probably would 
have lambed about the middle of Feb when it is the worst weather here in 
OK!


Good luck to all of you and Happy New Year.!!
Cecil in OKla


On 1/3/2012 1:06 AM, Terry wrote:

I  cannot get into any archived posts-- and I need some information that I  
recall was posted  several yaars ago.. A member of this group, added copper to 
her sheep diet, and the herd health improved- based on a book that was written, 
I believe, by someone from New Zealand or Australia. Just finding the 
information source used would be wonderful--

also, there is a poll that would be beneficial to a case I am working on/for. 
The case is going to set precedents, for sure

Please answer this poll only as regards livestock, not pets. The Baileys' 
hearing is tomorrow, so we need as many responses as we can get as quickly as 
possible. Please post this wherever people with livestock are likely to see it.

http://justice4pnw.weebly.com/polls.html;

Thanks, all, and Happy New Year

Terry W  Ohio


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Re: [Blackbelly] Copper/trace minerals. and a poll

2012-01-03 Thread Carol J. Elkins

Hi Terry,

Barb Lee in Oregon is the person you are thinking of and she is no 
longer raising blackbelly sheep. You should have no trouble searching 
the archives at

http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly%40lists.blackbellysheep.info/

The post you are thinking of was written by Barb Lee in 2006. She 
refers to the book Natural Sheep Care by Australian writer Pat 
Coleby. The post is at


http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info/msg00660.html 



I summarized it in 2010 and added a couple other good links in that 
post to other resources about copper deficiency at

http://www.mail-archive.com/blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info/msg02833.html

Carol

At 12:06 AM 1/3/2012, you wrote:

I  cannot get into any archived posts-- and I need some information 
that I  recall was posted  several yaars ago.. A member of this 
group, added copper to her sheep diet, and the herd health improved- 
based on a book that was written, I believe, by someone from New 
Zealand or Australia. Just finding the information source used would 
be wonderful--


Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz

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Re: [Blackbelly] Copper/trace minerals. and a poll

2012-01-03 Thread Terry
Thanks-- the information will help prove a point nn a farm seizure case.

The family that the poll is about-- was told do this, do that' and the result 
was a dead cow wihtin 24 hours. Sheep have been castrated (Black Welsh 
Mountain,) poultry dies in the care of the 'rescuers' etc. The first court 
hearing was today, another in about a week, then trial. At lest today, the 
judge Stopped any firther s/n and adoptions bythe  KHS, but  it is continueing 
withing the 'rescues' that KHS farmed the animals out to.

OH, In Colorado, ther eis a case of seized livestock coming up in the denver 
area the week of the 23rd--

 both these cases are animal seizures with no warrants! Those people in 
cClifornia, watch out for how you  sell your animals-- and in Texas, things are 
getting hot there, and I am NOT talking about the drought conditions you have.

It warmed up one degree this evening-- i am sitting at a nice warm 15*F-- thank 
heavens for electric blankets...

Terry W
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