Re: [Blackbelly] Actual Barbados Ram and ewes for sale in
looks like our unaltered buddy is the last to go! He's interesting, just because he has no horn scurs. Again, with the cheap prices... http://sacramento.craigslist.org/grd/4357829617.html -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Jann Bach mtnrdgr...@aol.com wrote: I have several ewes with small horns. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Sunny wspri...@goldstate.net wrote: Actually, it looks like the ewe has hornsoops! In all my years with American Blckbellies, I did have one ram who had tiny scurs instead of horns but never a ewe with horns. Sunny Goodier Northern Caliofornia -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:02 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://sacramento.craigslist.org/grd/4352954708.html Not something you see every day. I have only ever seen American Blackbelly horned rams here in California. But everyone calls them Barbado because they are unaware of the difference between Barbado and American blackbelly. Here, appears to be actual, polled Barbado blackbelly sheep. Cannot vouch for the purity of their breeding. Just passing it along in case anyone local is interested. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:49:17 -0700 From: Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Actual Barbados Ram and ewes for sale in California? Message-ID: 20140228184914.9775249...@diego.dreamhost.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed It isn't uncommon for horned American Blackbelly stock to occasionally throw a polled ram. (Nor is it uncommon for polled Barbados Blackbelly sheep to plop out a ram lamb that grows scurs or horns.) But that doesn't make the polled ram a Barbados Blackbelly. Progeny testing using registered Barbados Blackbelly ewes will determine if that ram reliably produces polled ram lambs. In my experience, they do not. Also, the BBSAI's American Blackbelly registry and Barbados Blackbelly registry are both closed registries, meaning that in order to register sheep, their parents must both be registered. So whomever buys this lovely blackbelly family would be unable to register them. Judging from the white crown and tail on the lamb on the right, there is some evidence of cross-breeding already present. But for someone who simply wants to enjoy the benefits of raising the most beautiful sheep in the world with superb meat quality, this group would be a steal. I regularly sell my freezer lamb for $350 for a 90-lb ram lamb. $200 for four sheep is a good bargain. Carol At 11:18 AM 2/28/2014, you wrote: http://sacramento.craigslist.org/grd/4352954708.html Here, appears to be actual, polled Barbado blackbelly sheep. Cannot vouch for the purity of their breeding. Just passing it along in case Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 10, Issue 13 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Actual Barbados Ram and ewes for sale in
I guess I am confused. Why would he have horns or scurs or anything if he is a Barbados? Jann, who is just trying to learn :-) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com wrote: looks like our unaltered buddy is the last to go! He's interesting, just because he has no horn scurs. Again, with the cheap prices... http://sacramento.craigslist.org/grd/4357829617.html -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Jann Bach mtnrdgr...@aol.com wrote: I have several ewes with small horns. Jann Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Sunny wspri...@goldstate.net wrote: Actually, it looks like the ewe has hornsoops! In all my years with American Blckbellies, I did have one ram who had tiny scurs instead of horns but never a ewe with horns. Sunny Goodier Northern Caliofornia -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:02 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://sacramento.craigslist.org/grd/4352954708.html Not something you see every day. I have only ever seen American Blackbelly horned rams here in California. But everyone calls them Barbado because they are unaware of the difference between Barbado and American blackbelly. Here, appears to be actual, polled Barbado blackbelly sheep. Cannot vouch for the purity of their breeding. Just passing it along in case anyone local is interested. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:49:17 -0700 From: Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Actual Barbados Ram and ewes for sale in California? Message-ID: 20140228184914.9775249...@diego.dreamhost.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed It isn't uncommon for horned American Blackbelly stock to occasionally throw a polled ram. (Nor is it uncommon for polled Barbados Blackbelly sheep to plop out a ram lamb that grows scurs or horns.) But that doesn't make the polled ram a Barbados Blackbelly. Progeny testing using registered Barbados Blackbelly ewes will determine if that ram reliably produces polled ram lambs. In my experience, they do not. Also, the BBSAI's American Blackbelly registry and Barbados Blackbelly registry are both closed registries, meaning that in order to register sheep, their parents must both be registered. So whomever buys this lovely blackbelly family would be unable to register them. Judging from the white crown and tail on the lamb on the right, there is some evidence of cross-breeding already present. But for someone who simply wants to enjoy the benefits of raising the most beautiful sheep in the world with superb meat quality, this group would be a steal. I regularly sell my freezer lamb for $350 for a 90-lb ram lamb. $200 for four sheep is a good bargain. Carol At 11:18 AM 2/28/2014, you wrote: http://sacramento.craigslist.org/grd/4352954708.html Here, appears to be actual, polled Barbado blackbelly sheep. Cannot vouch for the purity of their breeding. Just passing it along in case Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz -- ___ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 10, Issue 13 ** ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Actual Barbados Ram and ewes for sale in
Without knowing his parents, we can't know if he is a Barbados Blackbelly or an American Blackbelly. He is probably a cross-bred. The blackbelly color trait is very strong and can express even when a blackbelly is bred to a white sheep, such as a Katahdin or St. Croix. But as I stated before, some long-pedigreed Barbados Blackbelly sheep occasionally throw scurs or horns. And some long-pedigreed American Blackbelly sheep occasionally are polled or have only small scurs. So it is possible that he is purebred but has mutated horn genetics. Very little is understood about the genetics of horns and scurs in blackbelly sheep. I've spoken to several geneticists who have studied the breed in other various genetic ways, and they agree that horns and scurs probably have different alleles and different loci on the gene. They can't explain why an anomalous trait suddenly shows up. But that can be true of traits other than the presence or absence of horns. It applies to color as well. One breeder I know had a long-pedigreed Barbados Blackbelly throw a lamb with a completely white rear leg. Genes happen. Carol At 05:03 PM 3/3/2014, you wrote: I guess I am confused. Why would he have horns or scurs or anything if he is a Barbados? Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
