Re: [blackbelly] Crippled new born -
I have had this happen with 3-4 goat kids this year. This is the first time I have had it in any number. The kids are all about 4 weeks old now and are fine and walking normal. I think it may be just due to positioning in the womb, or cramping. Was the ewe a smaller size? Chris H. - Original Message - From: Nancy Tom Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Crippled new born - Hello, I have had a new born Jacob who won't lower his back legs . He wants to keep them drawn up . Any ideas? I have had 2 others born that couldn't stand. The legs would fold under at the first joint. Like they were weak. they never got any stronger. Each of these lambs were born with soft spots on their head. I have been told sheep don't have this. Any ideas? Thanks Nancy ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
I had a QH mare that used to be with my sheep and goats. She was wonderful, the kids and lambs would run all around and under her. The older bucks would pasture with her and they would rub on her. Now she is gone and I have another QH mare, who I think would be okay with them, but my other mare , an Appy , absolutely hates any intruders. So I would be very hesitant to put the sheep or goats out with them. I think the QH have a natural liking for cattle and other herd animals. Whereas, Appaloosas, I have found are kind of different. So far I have found that they have quirky personalities. Chris in Ontario. - Original Message - From: Chris Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their sheep herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other animals? Thanks, Eileen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] starter flock
BLACKBELLY HAIR SHEEP (horned genetics). Small starter group for sale. 2 Adult ewes and 2 ewe lambs, 1 ram lamb. Not culls. $600.firm for all. Must sell due to owner's health. Location: Ontario, Canada. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Weigh Sling for adult sheep
Yes, this usually happens to my emails too. Chris. - Original Message - From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Weigh Sling for adult sheep I am having all kinds of problems post an email for a friend that has some LDG puppies. I keep getting told it has a suspicious header. I have found if I do not reply on emails I can almost never get one posted. Is anyone else having this problem. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:12 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Weigh Sling for adult sheep Mary, thanks for the link. That would be a great price, but there is no photo of this sling available on Mid-States' Web site. Is your sling adjustable at all? Here is a link to one at Jeffers. How does Mid-States' sling differ from Jeffers' sling? http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=2mscssid=1V25R1KE37 6G9G7U7NNHCT02QU79D0AC Carol At 09:18 AM 1/30/2007, you wrote: Carol, Mid-States Livestock Supply (out of Hutchinson, Kansas) has a very nice adult sheep weigh sling for just $16.00. I think their web site is www.midstateswoolgrowers.com or something like that. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Long term antibiotics was Re: Poor Bailey
Good website, it is actually a full veterinary textbook online. gives doses and uses for all drugs and treatments for all animals. Chris http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp - Original Message - From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Long term antibiotics was Re: Poor Bailey I will have to remember that. More to put in my learning book. OJ Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Lee Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:19 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Long term antibiotics was Re: Poor Bailey I just had a mature ram surgically castrated. The vet said that though it usually wasn't necessary, it wouldn't hurt for me to give him a long acting antibiotic - LA-200 - at 5cc per hundred pounds. One shot only. I offer that just as an alternative to daily antibiotics. Wish I'd had the banamine for a few days for him, the poor bugger! Barb (also not a veterinarian!) ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] ewes for sale
I have 2 Blackbelly ewes for sale (horned genetics). One is 4 years, the other is 5 months. Both have been with the ram and are probably bred to lamb in March 2007 or later. I am asking $200 for each. Shipping is buyers responsiblity. They are healthy, naturally raised. I am located in Ontario, Canada ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Wormers
Barb, I'm not sure if the same applies to sheep as what I have found with dogs in concern to coccidia oocysts. That is that they are only identifiable at the time that they are being shed. The reading of a false negative (or clear of the coccidia oocysts) is possible , while they are still there or the animal is carrying , but not shedding. Do you have any more in depth information? Chris. - Original Message - From: Barb Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Wormers I have fairly substantial proof that parasites in my sheep are immune to Ivomec. Have one group of animals with a fairly heavy parasite challenge at the moment. Despite 2 oversized doses of Ivomec drench within a week of each other, watched egg counts actually rise. Have tried the Basic H route for 5 days and seen a reduction of about 30%, which still leaves these animals with a high count. Have just started a Molly's Herbs protocol. Won't know for some time the efficacy. Continuing to work with trace minerals. Safeguard (2x goat dose) appears to be having little impact on a second group of ewes (close to parturition, at which time worms shed eggs heavily). The good news is, I have FINALLY mastered identifying coccidia oocysts. The count actually went down dramatically during Basic H treatment, from 39 to 7. Coccidiosis has been the primary killer in my flock. It's a huge relief to have finally identified the enemy. It's true, chemical wormers offer false hope. Barb ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Wormers
Barb, the only experience I have with Coccidia oocyst is with my dogs (and how it affects puppies). Apparently if present (which is almost an accepted) , it is passed on to the pups. The pups are then more susceptable, with symptoms such as diareaha and dehydration. Sometimes to the point of being debilitating. So there is a recommended course of medication that is given over a 5 day span. This is to try to eliminate the continuance of the eggs as the pups leave to go to their new homes. It seems that it (coccidia )is present in most of the enviroment, and it is just a matter of time before the dog picks it up(public parks and woodlands). Most adult dogs are not bothered by it, but sometimes the pups can have a dramatic setback. But apparently the testing only shows a positive content when the eggs are being shed. Other than then the test will come back negative. Now , to save the bother and expense of the test(which is not definative), we just medicate the pups the same as a routine worming. Chris. - Original Message - From: Barb Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Wormers No, Chris, other than I have finally managed to identify the oocysts. My vet didn't believe I could with home equipment, but you can, quite readily, with a 400 power microscope. If the eye registers the haemonchus egg at 1/4, the coccidia oocyst would register at about 16th inch, so it is tedious to look for them. They are perfectly oval, with the appearance of a hard boiled egg cut lengthwise, and a perfectly round yolk. They have a barely distinguishable polar cap at one end. I don't imagine that there is any other way of knowing what mischief they cause other than by being able to identify them in a fecal. It took necropsy to ascertain that the allergic (lab's terminology) reaction to coccidia was responsible for the lesions in the ewe's gut that resulted in diarrhea and eventually led to culling As I learn, I will share. Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: Christine Handley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Wormers Barb, I'm not sure if the same applies to sheep as what I have found with dogs in concern to coccidia oocysts. That is that they are only identifiable at the time that they are being shed. The reading of a false negative (or clear of the coccidia oocysts) is possible , while they are still there or the animal is carrying , but not shedding. Do you have any more in depth information? Chris. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep for sale
Hope I am not out of line in posting this on the list. I am offering for sale Blackbelly Hair Sheep breeding stock. All are pure stock. No crosses. Not registered. I have several ewes(1yr-4yr), ewe lambs and ram lambs, also One 3yr old ram(beautiful, good natured)--all for sale at very reasonable prices. These are not culls. All are good breeding stock. All are HORNED genetics. (The ewes are polled or scurred). All pedigrees and breeding/health records are included. Raised Naturally, pasture fed. Low grain input. No growth hormones or stimulants used. We do not buy and sell at sale barns. All stock is born and raised here. I can send pictures and prices if interested. Shipping is responsibility of the purchaser. Location is Bobcaygeon, Ontario. Canada (approx 2 hours northeast of Toronto or 4 hours west of Ottawa) Please email me direct. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Chris Handley ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Wormers
Drench and injectable is entirely two different dosages. I have never used the injectable. I find that the liquid ORAL (thru the mouth) drench is far easier to use. Especially when I have to administer to more than 50 sheep , varying in weight, I can just 'dial' up or down on the drench gun and give the amount needed for the next 'victim'. I don't like to waste money on needle and syringes unless I really have to. Just more to fuss with. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kristi Brian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Wormers Thanks so much for the info, I appreciate it!! Question though, I haven't really looked at Ivermectin products (I did get a bottle several years ago that's the Ivomec injection 1% solution for cattle/swine, to use on a dog with demodetic mange - it came in a 50ml bottle and is a clear liquid)...is that the same as the Ivomec liquid drench you mentioned below - or is there a different product I should be looking for? Also, if this is the same stuff, I assume you use it orally just straight out of the bottle and not diluted with anything? Thanks again for helping me answer some of my newbie worming questions!! :-) Kristi Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:39:03 -0400 From: Christine Handley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Wormers To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Dosages for sheep: Ivomec liquid drench , oral wormer. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Wormers
Most products that are being used for sheep and especially for goats are used ''off label'' That means that there has not been extensive testing done on those specific animals. (There is not enough incentive, $$$ to do it). So the drug company just tests for safety, side effects and residuals retention on Cattle (usually) then most of the sheep and goat producers are left to sort things out or best yet use a veterinarian's recommendation on dosages and withdrawal times prior to slaughter. Many cattle products are widely used on sheep and goats. Goats seem to have a much higher resistence or tolerance of most products, and there fore they need to have a higher dose for them to be effective. By the way, if there is anyone in my area that is looking to add to their flock ##'s I have several ewes , ewe lambs and a couple of ram lambs for sale at good prices. All are healthy, and are horned genetics. I am located in Ontario, Canada. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kristi Brian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Wormers Okay, guess I should have looked before I asked...:-)I found the Ivermec Sheep Drench on the Premier website and see the difference in that and the other injectable Ivomec for cattle/swine I was familiar with. Sorry!! Thanks, Kristi ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Wormers
Dosages for sheep: Ivomec liquid drench , oral wormer. Wght = Dosage 26 lb = 3.0 ml 52 lb = 6.0 ml 78 lb = 9.0 ml 104 lb = 12.0 ml 130 lb = 15.5 ml 156lb = 18.0 ml Valbazen liquid oral suspension Wght = Dosage 25 lb = 0.75 ml 50 lb = 1.50 ml 75 lb = 2.25 ml 100 lb = 3.00 ml 200 lb = 6.00 ml 300 lb = 9.00 ml The above are the recommended dosages listed with the above products as in the Premier catalogue. I have both sheep and goats, when deworming the goats I usually give 2 X the above dosage. (The above is a statement of what I use, and in no way do I accept responsiblity for any health problem, I am not a vet, and I cannot diagnose any health problem that may be specific to anybody's sheep.) Chris. - Original Message - From: Kristi Brian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 7:30 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Wormers So the dosages that were given on the link Carol sent should be cut in half for sheep? I haven't looked at the Valbazen to see what the dosages listed are, but I've used Panacur and they don't list dosages for sheep - so would that be half the goat dosage as well? Thanks, Kristi Message: 2 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:34:51 -0400 From: Christine Handley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Wormers To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Carol, Goats generally need almost 2X the amount as sheep for wormers or other meds to be effective. I use Ivermectin drench or Valbazen drench, dosage is on the bottle. Chris. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
