Re: [Blackbelly] Coyotes

2008-09-12 Thread Cecil Bearden
Contact your local Animal Damage Control unit of the USDA.  usually they 
have an office in the state ag department.  They will trap coyotes. 
LGDs and LLamas are great, but to get rid of the problem you cannot beat 
a trap.  You will probably find dogs running with the coyotes also.  If 
you can see a coyote you ahve a chance to shoot it, but a trap works 
24/7, and gives you a better shot!!  If it is a dog, either shoot, 
shovel, and shut up or gut shoot it with a 22 and let it go home to die.


Sounds cruel, but I am protecting my Family...

Cecil in OKla

Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) wrote:

I have lost several sheep to coyotes and bobcats.  I recently purchased
a donkey.  I havent lost any yet, but it has only been 6 months.  All my
neighbors are goat owners and have LGDs with lots of success.

I wanted something I didn't have to feed if I was out of town, so I went
with the Donkey.  Time will tell.

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We are primarily blueberry farmers, but started with American 
Blackbellies about two years ago and have two small flocks of about a 
dozen animals each.


Coyotes have been stealing my neighbor's chickens one by one.  A couple 
of weeks ago we found a dead ewe with her rear eaten out.  We are 
regularly seeing and hearing the coyotes now and a neighbor saw a couple


of pups a few days ago.  The word around here is that the fox hunting 
club brought in some coyotes to hunt and they are now running all over 
the county; we had not seen or heard of any until this year.


I have 4 foot field fencing around all five of my small sheep pastures, 
each about one+ acres.  I understand that a coyote can sail over a four 
foot fence, but I have not yet seen one in any of the pastures.


I have read that donkeys, llamas, and Great Pyrenees dogs are good at 
protecting the sheep.


What are your experiences with any of these?

Is an adult ram a good protector?  I have a young ram (about 10 months) 
in with the flock where the ewe was killed and adult ram with the other 
flock.


Your advice in dealing with coyotes and guardian animals or other 
protection methods will be most apprciated.


Eat more blueberries!

Jerry
Windmill Farms LLC
Picayune, Mississippi 
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[Blackbelly] Coyotes

2008-09-10 Thread blueberryfarm
We are primarily blueberry farmers, but started with American 
Blackbellies about two years ago and have two small flocks of about a 
dozen animals each.


Coyotes have been stealing my neighbor's chickens one by one.  A couple 
of weeks ago we found a dead ewe with her rear eaten out.  We are 
regularly seeing and hearing the coyotes now and a neighbor saw a couple 
of pups a few days ago.  The word around here is that the fox hunting 
club brought in some coyotes to hunt and they are now running all over 
the county; we had not seen or heard of any until this year.


I have 4 foot field fencing around all five of my small sheep pastures, 
each about one+ acres.  I understand that a coyote can sail over a four 
foot fence, but I have not yet seen one in any of the pastures.


I have read that donkeys, llamas, and Great Pyrenees dogs are good at 
protecting the sheep.


What are your experiences with any of these?

Is an adult ram a good protector?  I have a young ram (about 10 months) 
in with the flock where the ewe was killed and adult ram with the other 
flock.


Your advice in dealing with coyotes and guardian animals or other 
protection methods will be most apprciated.


Eat more blueberries!

Jerry
Windmill Farms LLC
Picayune, Mississippi 


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Re: [Blackbelly] Coyotes

2008-09-10 Thread AP
You need to put at least two barber wires over the top of your fence, and you 
need LGD, the best one for me are the Great Pyrenees but you need to buy them 
from farmers that are raising the same animals that you are raising now or that 
you would raise in the future.  Where are you located?

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--- On Wed, 9/10/08, blueberryfarm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: blueberryfarm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Blackbelly] Coyotes
 To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
 Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 12:19 PM
 We are primarily blueberry farmers, but started with
 American 
 Blackbellies about two years ago and have two small flocks
 of about a 
 dozen animals each.
 
 Coyotes have been stealing my neighbor's chickens one
 by one.  A couple 
 of weeks ago we found a dead ewe with her rear eaten out. 
 We are 
 regularly seeing and hearing the coyotes now and a neighbor
 saw a couple 
 of pups a few days ago.  The word around here is that the
 fox hunting 
 club brought in some coyotes to hunt and they are now
 running all over 
 the county; we had not seen or heard of any until this
 year.
 
 I have 4 foot field fencing around all five of my small
 sheep pastures, 
 each about one+ acres.  I understand that a coyote can sail
 over a four 
 foot fence, but I have not yet seen one in any of the
 pastures.
 
 I have read that donkeys, llamas, and Great Pyrenees dogs
 are good at 
 protecting the sheep.
 
 What are your experiences with any of these?
 
 Is an adult ram a good protector?  I have a young ram
 (about 10 months) 
 in with the flock where the ewe was killed and adult ram
 with the other 
 flock.
 
 Your advice in dealing with coyotes and guardian animals or
 other 
 protection methods will be most apprciated.
 
 Eat more blueberries!
 
 Jerry
 Windmill Farms LLC
 Picayune, Mississippi 
 
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Re: [Blackbelly] Coyotes

2008-09-10 Thread Tracy Wessel
My ram is ferocious, but really in a predator situation, all evacuate. What has 
protected my sheep this year is the ponies. This has not been ideal. Some of 
the ponies enjoyed chasing the sheep and I had some lameness. Donkeys will 
sometimes do this too. Finally I put an escape route - a paster with a raised 
fence the sheep can go under to get away from the ponies. 

Wish the ponies could have protected my ducks...Now my ducks are locked in a 
dog kennel at night.

I have friends with Great Pyrenese and Llamas. Honestly... I can't imagine my 
sheep tolerating a big white dog, but perhaps a llama.

And I LOVE blueberries!

Tracy Wessel
Wessel Farm (Blackbelly sheep, Welsh Harlequin Ducks, various chickens and fine 
Belgian Shepherds)
http://tracywessel.com/sheep/2008_sheep.htm

 

I have read that donkeys, llamas, and Great Pyrenees dogs are good at 
protecting the sheep.

What are your experiences with any of these?

Is an adult ram a good protector?  I have a young ram (about 10 months) 
in with the flock where the ewe was killed and adult ram with the other 
flock.

Your advice in dealing with coyotes and guardian animals or other 
protection methods will be most apprciated.

Eat more blueberries!
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Re: [Blackbelly] Coyotes

2008-09-10 Thread triplecharm
When the coyotes moved into my neighborhood (North Carolina Piedmont), I 
purchased 3 gelded llamas.  They have been magnificient at predator control. 
We also have problems in this area with vultures attacking lambs and 
(goat)kids.  The other day we watched the llamas run off the vultures from 
our day-old lambs.  They are very protective of their sheep. I did have to 
try out a few different llamas before I got the right combination, though.


Lorie
Triplecharm Farm
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My ram is ferocious, but really in a predator situation, all evacuate. 
What has protected my sheep this year is the ponies. This has not been 
ideal. Some of the ponies enjoyed chasing the sheep and I had some 
lameness. Donkeys will sometimes do this too. Finally I put an escape 
route - a paster with a raised fence the sheep can go under to get away 
from the ponies.


Wish the ponies could have protected my ducks...Now my ducks are locked in 
a dog kennel at night.


I have friends with Great Pyrenese and Llamas. Honestly... I can't imagine 
my sheep tolerating a big white dog, but perhaps a llama.


And I LOVE blueberries!

Tracy Wessel
Wessel Farm (Blackbelly sheep, Welsh Harlequin Ducks, various chickens and 
fine Belgian Shepherds)

http://tracywessel.com/sheep/2008_sheep.htm





I have read that donkeys, llamas, and Great Pyrenees dogs are good at
protecting the sheep.

What are your experiences with any of these?

Is an adult ram a good protector?  I have a young ram (about 10 months)
in with the flock where the ewe was killed and adult ram with the other
flock.

Your advice in dealing with coyotes and guardian animals or other
protection methods will be most apprciated.

Eat more blueberries!
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Re: [Blackbelly] Coyotes

2008-09-10 Thread Stephanie Parrish
I have also used livestock guardian dogs (LGD's) for several years to  
protect my Blackbelly sheep, and have been very happy with them.  As  
has already been said, there are a number of breeds that do this job  
well, and I'd like to put a plug in for the breed that's done so well  
on my farm - Maremmas.  They are also BWD's (Big White Dogs) similar  
to Great Pyrenees, but not quite so broad.  They originated in Italy.   
They tend to be less laid back than Pyr's (at least my Pyr), and are  
always on the job.  They tend to stay with the sheep rather than just  
guard the perimeters of the pasture.


As with any LGD, you need to find a breeder you can trust, and realize  
you're working with a live animal - a dog - rather than an inanimate  
object that can be put in place and then forgotten.  In other words,  
there is a learning curve to having LGD's on your farm, but if you  
find someone who can provide a great dog and then guide you, they are  
well worth the peace of mind they provide.  Unlike an electric fence,  
they are always working.


You can learn more about them at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

A very excellent breeder and trainer of Maremmas that I can personally  
recommend can be found at:

http://www.windancefarms.com/

Best of luck,

Stephanie Parrish
Westminster, SC

On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:19 PM, blueberryfarm wrote:

We are primarily blueberry farmers, but started with American  
Blackbellies about two years ago and have two small flocks of about  
a dozen animals each.


Coyotes have been stealing my neighbor's chickens one by one.  A  
couple of weeks ago we found a dead ewe with her rear eaten out.  We  
are regularly seeing and hearing the coyotes now and a neighbor saw  
a couple of pups a few days ago.  The word around here is that the  
fox hunting club brought in some coyotes to hunt and they are now  
running all over the county; we had not seen or heard of any until  
this year.


I have 4 foot field fencing around all five of my small sheep  
pastures, each about one+ acres.  I understand that a coyote can  
sail over a four foot fence, but I have not yet seen one in any of  
the pastures.


I have read that donkeys, llamas, and Great Pyrenees dogs are good  
at protecting the sheep.


What are your experiences with any of these?

Is an adult ram a good protector?  I have a young ram (about 10  
months) in with the flock where the ewe was killed and adult ram  
with the other flock.


Your advice in dealing with coyotes and guardian animals or other  
protection methods will be most apprciated.


Eat more blueberries!

Jerry
Windmill Farms LLC
Picayune, Mississippi
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[Blackbelly] Coyotes

2008-09-10 Thread Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)
I have lost several sheep to coyotes and bobcats.  I recently purchased
a donkey.  I havent lost any yet, but it has only been 6 months.  All my
neighbors are goat owners and have LGDs with lots of success.

I wanted something I didn't have to feed if I was out of town, so I went
with the Donkey.  Time will tell.

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:19:25 -0500
From: blueberryfarm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Blackbelly] Coyotes
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We are primarily blueberry farmers, but started with American 
Blackbellies about two years ago and have two small flocks of about a 
dozen animals each.

Coyotes have been stealing my neighbor's chickens one by one.  A couple 
of weeks ago we found a dead ewe with her rear eaten out.  We are 
regularly seeing and hearing the coyotes now and a neighbor saw a couple

of pups a few days ago.  The word around here is that the fox hunting 
club brought in some coyotes to hunt and they are now running all over 
the county; we had not seen or heard of any until this year.

I have 4 foot field fencing around all five of my small sheep pastures, 
each about one+ acres.  I understand that a coyote can sail over a four 
foot fence, but I have not yet seen one in any of the pastures.

I have read that donkeys, llamas, and Great Pyrenees dogs are good at 
protecting the sheep.

What are your experiences with any of these?

Is an adult ram a good protector?  I have a young ram (about 10 months) 
in with the flock where the ewe was killed and adult ram with the other 
flock.

Your advice in dealing with coyotes and guardian animals or other 
protection methods will be most apprciated.

Eat more blueberries!

Jerry
Windmill Farms LLC
Picayune, Mississippi 
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Re: [Blackbelly] Coyotes

2008-09-10 Thread Nate Teig
Jerry

I have sheep and goats - I use to loose them to Coyotes and packs of dogs - I 
got a 1 Llama ( I have a female and she is better with the sheep ) and then I 
also added a Donkey. The Donkey is great - would not trade her for the world - 
she is easy to feed and pasture and I hear her at night out in the pasture 
making the rounds.  We had two donkey - but they tend to do better watching and 
become part of the herd if you only have 1 donkey.  I have also found that the 
female donkey and Llama's do less chasing of the sheep when young.  Don't get a 
Mini - they can be taken down by a pack - got with a standard donkey.  It has 
been 6 years now and no losses due to Coyotes and dogs.

nate


--- On Wed, 9/10/08, blueberryfarm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: blueberryfarm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Blackbelly] Coyotes
 To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
 Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 11:19 AM
 We are primarily blueberry farmers, but started with
 American 
 Blackbellies about two years ago and have two small flocks
 of about a 
 dozen animals each.
 
 Coyotes have been stealing my neighbor's chickens one
 by one.  A couple 
 of weeks ago we found a dead ewe with her rear eaten out. 
 We are 
 regularly seeing and hearing the coyotes now and a neighbor
 saw a couple 
 of pups a few days ago.  The word around here is that the
 fox hunting 
 club brought in some coyotes to hunt and they are now
 running all over 
 the county; we had not seen or heard of any until this
 year.
 
 I have 4 foot field fencing around all five of my small
 sheep pastures, 
 each about one+ acres.  I understand that a coyote can sail
 over a four 
 foot fence, but I have not yet seen one in any of the
 pastures.
 
 I have read that donkeys, llamas, and Great Pyrenees dogs
 are good at 
 protecting the sheep.
 
 What are your experiences with any of these?
 
 Is an adult ram a good protector?  I have a young ram
 (about 10 months) 
 in with the flock where the ewe was killed and adult ram
 with the other 
 flock.
 
 Your advice in dealing with coyotes and guardian animals or
 other 
 protection methods will be most apprciated.
 
 Eat more blueberries!
 
 Jerry
 Windmill Farms LLC
 Picayune, Mississippi 
 
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