Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams
oh, I give them their fave food and just dump it on the other side of the fence, then drop in a yardstick as they nosh. While the stick might spook them a bit, they get over it and prefer food over a scary foreign object. This is with one of my more tame rams, though. To answer Tiana's question: from what state does your stock come from? Are you American Blackbelly, or Barbados Blackbelly? In California, the AB sheep (I have never seen a BB ram) have typically been exposed to some standard 300 lb wool sheep and painted desert sheep with good, curly horns, back in their ancestry. My flock is not a large quantity, only 15 sheep, and only half have good markings that would be called conforming. My breeding is for coat -markings, not size, since everyone is basically the same. Also, I don't sell or eat mine, so it's my own personal project, which is why I am not concerned about carcass weight. my ewes are generally a bit lighter in weight than the rams, but have the same overall appearance. The few wethered rams I have look just like the ewes (including the smaller heads--compared to horned rams) and are maybe 2-3" taller at the shoulder also, the pictures are taken in the late summer, when the grass is at it's dryest. I find it bloats their rumens quite a bit, compared to wet grass in the winter/spring. So, in the winter, they get all muscular and a layer of fat on their ribs, but their stomachs appear flatter on the sides. In the summer, I have to fight to provide better nutrients and they can get a bit ribby, but their stomachs look much bigger, all day long, giving them a "big" appearance. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Rick Krach wrote: > Michael, I'll put a picture of my ram on the Blackbelly FB page or email > it to you after I take some today. I, actually measuring him would be a > joke since I cannot really, safely catch him. > > > Rick Krach > in Auburn, CA > > > > > From: mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com > > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 19:32:19 -0700 > > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams > > > > Rick, I measured one of the rams in that video at 29" at the shoulder > > (subtracting the hair on his shoulders--so it;s a true measurement) > > > > how big are your non-crossed rams? > > > > -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies > > > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Rick Krach > wrote: > >> > >> Wow, this was a really great video. Now that you show it again, I > remember the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were. > What in the world do you do to get such big sheep? My American Blackbellies > are much thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs! > >> > >> Rick Krach > >> in Auburn, CA > > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams
Rick, I did not measure around the belly of the ram, I measured the height of his shoulder from the ground. About 29" minus the tuft of hair. that measurement is a bit easier to get. The picture of the darker brown ram you sent to me privately looks on par with my rams, mine sometimes look fatter because of the graze they eat. -Michael. Perino Ranch Blackbellies On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Rick Krach wrote: > Michael, I'll put a picture of my ram on the Blackbelly FB page or email it > to you after I take some today. I, actually measuring him would be a joke > since I cannot really, safely catch him. > > > Rick Krach > in Auburn, CA > > > >> From: mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com >> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 19:32:19 -0700 >> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info >> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams >> >> Rick, I measured one of the rams in that video at 29" at the shoulder >> (subtracting the hair on his shoulders--so it;s a true measurement) >> >> how big are your non-crossed rams? >> >> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Rick Krach wrote: >>> >>> Wow, this was a really great video. Now that you show it again, I remember >>> the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were. What in >>> the world do you do to get such big sheep? My American Blackbellies are >>> much thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs! >>> >>> Rick Krach >>> in Auburn, CA > > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams
Michael, I'll put a picture of my ram on the Blackbelly FB page or email it to you after I take some today. I, actually measuring him would be a joke since I cannot really, safely catch him. Rick Krach in Auburn, CA > From: mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 19:32:19 -0700 > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams > > Rick, I measured one of the rams in that video at 29" at the shoulder > (subtracting the hair on his shoulders--so it;s a true measurement) > > how big are your non-crossed rams? > > -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Rick Krach wrote: >> >> Wow, this was a really great video. Now that you show it again, I remember >> the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were. What in >> the world do you do to get such big sheep? My American Blackbellies are much >> thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs! >> >> Rick Krach >> in Auburn, CA ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams
That's a great question from Rich. I'd also like to know Micheal. Are you selective breeding for larger carcass? I have been trying to selectively breed for larger carcass and I finally feel like this year I have a couple of lambs that are more of what I have been aiming for. Michael do your ewes have big bodies as well? Tiana Stomp & Steer Ranch On Jun 22, 2016 8:14 AM, "Rick Krach" wrote: Wow, this was a really great video. Now that you show it again, I remember the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were. What in the world do you do to get such big sheep? My American Blackbellies are much thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs! Rick Krach in Auburn, CA > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:06:06 -0700 > From: Michael Smith > To: blackbelly > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] need photo of horned rams fighting > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > no lambs this year--so not much news, but so far I seem to have treated the > couple of sheep that were real thin and might have been suffering from > Coryne, using gobs of penicillin ( my local vets recommendation). > > here's a movie that might have some frames you can grab that are decent. I > might have the master movie at work, could try to get a cleaner version of > a frame or two, there > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnAw_zVofm8 > > -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams
Rick, I measured one of the rams in that video at 29" at the shoulder (subtracting the hair on his shoulders--so it;s a true measurement) how big are your non-crossed rams? -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Rick Krach wrote: > > Wow, this was a really great video. Now that you show it again, I remember > the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were. What in > the world do you do to get such big sheep? My American Blackbellies are much > thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs! > > Rick Krach > in Auburn, CA > > > >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:06:06 -0700 >> From: Michael Smith >> To: blackbelly >> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] need photo of horned rams fighting >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> no lambs this year--so not much news, but so far I seem to have treated the >> couple of sheep that were real thin and might have been suffering from >> Coryne, using gobs of penicillin ( my local vets recommendation). >> >> here's a movie that might have some frames you can grab that are decent. I >> might have the master movie at work, could try to get a cleaner version of >> a frame or two, there >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnAw_zVofm8 >> >> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies >> > > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] fighting rams
Wow, this was a really great video. Now that you show it again, I remember the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were. What in the world do you do to get such big sheep? My American Blackbellies are much thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs! Rick Krach in Auburn, CA > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:06:06 -0700 > From: Michael Smith > To: blackbelly > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] need photo of horned rams fighting > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > no lambs this year--so not much news, but so far I seem to have treated the > couple of sheep that were real thin and might have been suffering from > Coryne, using gobs of penicillin ( my local vets recommendation). > > here's a movie that might have some frames you can grab that are decent. I > might have the master movie at work, could try to get a cleaner version of > a frame or two, there > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnAw_zVofm8 > > -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info