Re: [Blackbelly] worming sheep with DE and Garlic Barrier
Thank you for this post, Cathy! Are you using food grade DE or an agricultural grade from the feed store? I know that DE is supposed to be wonderful but there are no food grade dealers around me. How much do you use? What does the apple cider vinegar do? What is the Garlic Barrier? I would like to incorporate this into my small flock. I have Katahdin sheep as well. Thanks for the info, Natasha British Columbia, Canada Sent from my iPad While still living in Nevada six years ago, I purchased my breeding stock of American Blackbelly (ABB) and now I have 5 Katahdin hair sheep. During my first year of raising the ABB sheep I used Cydectin for worming, but then I read about diatemaceous earth (DE) for worming and began using that. I misted their grain with 50/50 water/ACV and then sprinkled the grain with a good dusting of DE which works well for worming the sheep. I had also read about Garlic Barrier in Sheep! Magagzine. Three years ago this May we moved to NE Texas, and I introduced myself to a local veterinarian shortly after moving here. I told him that raised sheep and he said you'll have to worm your sheep here every 30 days. I told him that I used DE and he said that my sheep would die here if I just used that. (Geez, no wonder the wormers don't work anymore) I located a young couple who raise grass fed sheep about 1 hour west of where we live, and they were mixing DE into kelp and free feeding the sheep this mix. They also did a drench periodically with a liquid Amway soap. So for the first year here in TX, I used the DE/kelp mix and then I looked the info back up regarding the Garlic Barrier and bought a gallon of that in 2010. I continued free feeding the DE/kelp mix and did a periodic drench with Garlic Barrier and water (no more than 3 x per year) and that works really well. If an animal gets thin and the Garlic drench did not seem to work, I would give them a dose of Sa feGuard but that is pretty rare. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] worming sheep with DE and Garlic Barrier
Hi I used to use DE from the swimming pool store when I had goats and never had any problem. I have been wondering the same thing. Jaiaen Sent from 5415709059 On Sep 18, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Mary Swindell mswin...@siu.edu wrote: Natasha and Cathy, Me too, I tried to buy food grade DE and can't seem to find it. Does anyone know if it is safe to use agricultural grade? Mary Swindell At 08:27 AM 9/18/2012, you wrote: Thank you for this post, Cathy! Are you using food grade DE or an agricultural grade from the feed store? I know that DE is supposed to be wonderful but there are no food grade dealers around me. How much do you use? What does the apple cider vinegar do? What is the Garlic Barrier? I would like to incorporate this into my small flock. I have Katahdin sheep as well. Thanks for the info, Natasha British Columbia, Canada Sent from my iPad While still living in Nevada six years ago, I purchased my breeding stock of American Blackbelly (ABB) and now I have 5 Katahdin hair sheep. During my first year of raising the ABB sheep I used Cydectin for worming, but then I read about diatemaceous earth (DE) for worming and began using that. I misted their grain with 50/50 water/ACV and then sprinkled the grain with a good dusting of DE which works well for worming the sheep. I had also read about Garlic Barrier in Sheep! Magagzine. Three years ago this May we moved to NE Texas, and I introduced myself to a local veterinarian shortly after moving here. I told him that raised sheep and he said you'll have to worm your sheep here every 30 days. I told him that I used DE and he said that my sheep would die here if I just used that. (Geez, no wonder the wormers don't work anymore) I located a young couple who raise grass fed sheep about 1 hour west of where we live, and they were mixing DE into kelp and free feeding the sheep this mix. They also did a drench periodically with a liquid Amway soap. So for the first year here in TX, I used the DE/kelp mix and then I looked the info back up regarding the Garlic Barrier and bought a gallon of that in 2010. I continued free feeding the DE/kelp mix and did a periodic drench with Garlic Barrier and water (no more than 3 x per year) and that works really well. If an animal gets thin and the Garlic drench did not seem to work, I would give them a dose of Sa feGuard but that is pretty rare. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] worming sheep with DE and Garlic Barrier
While still living in Nevada six years ago, I purchased my breeding stock of American Blackbelly (ABB) and now I have 5 Katahdin hair sheep. During my first year of raising the ABB sheep I used Cydectin for worming, but then I read about diatemaceous earth (DE) for worming and began using that. I misted their grain with 50/50 water/ACV and then sprinkled the grain with a good dusting of DE which works well for worming the sheep. I had also read about Garlic Barrier in Sheep! Magagzine. Three years ago this May we moved to NE Texas, and I introduced myself to a local veterinarian shortly after moving here. I told him that raised sheep and he said you'll have to worm your sheep here every 30 days. I told him that I used DE and he said that my sheep would die here if I just used that. (Geez, no wonder the wormers don't work anymore) I located a young couple who raise grass fed sheep about 1 hour west of where we live, and they were mixing DE into kelp and free feeding the sheep this mix. They also did a drench periodically with a liquid Amway soap. So for the first year here in TX, I used the DE/kelp mix and then I looked the info back up regarding the Garlic Barrier and bought a gallon of that in 2010. I continued free feeding the DE/kelp mix and did a periodic drench with Garlic Barrier and water (no more than 3 x per year) and that works really well. If an animal gets thin and the Garlic drench did not seem to work, I would give them a dose of SafeGuard but that is pretty rare. This year I had a ram lamb born in March and in July he started to lose weight. He did not have bottle jaw and I checked the inside of his eyelids to see if he had good color and he did. But I went ahead and gave him the garlic drench and reweighed him a week later. He was not responding after a couple weeks of drenching and weighing. Approximately 3 weeks ago I moved all my rams to another pen so now I can't weigh him. But about 2 weeks ago, I got the idea to make a slurry out of DE and the Garlic Barrier to drench him with that. I did the drench 3 x a week for a couple weeks and I can see now that he is putting weight back on. His shoulders are filling back in and his coat is no longer dull and dry feeling. So from now on I will do the combination of the DE/Garlic Barrier for all the sheep when I do the drench because it gives them a good dose of the DE that way. Last year I did lose a lamb that I tried for 3 months to save him to no avail. I took him to the vet and he ended up selling me 2 different commercial wormers because the first one given did not work. He sent me home with the last dose and said if this does not work then the best thing to do is put him down. Even though he was a freezer lamb I wanted to do the best I could to save him but nothing worked. I guess he just had a really weak immune system and no matter what I did I could not save him and we did put him own. BTW, also add this to the dog's dinner periodically and the poultry feed as well. I mist the poultry feed as I do the sheep's grain so that the DE sticks to their feed. Just thought I would pass this on. Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] worming sheep with DE and Garlic Barrier
Thanks Crystal Wolf for the information these type of experiments is what we are going to need to do to break the cycle of more and stronger chemicals. On Aug 31, 2012, at 7:22 AM, Crystal Wolf crystalw...@windstream.net wrote: While still living in Nevada six years ago, I purchased my breeding stock of American Blackbelly (ABB) and now I have 5 Katahdin hair sheep. During my first year of raising the ABB sheep I used Cydectin for worming, but then I read about diatemaceous earth (DE) for worming and began using that. I misted their grain with 50/50 water/ACV and then sprinkled the grain with a good dusting of DE which works well for worming the sheep. I had also read about Garlic Barrier in Sheep! Magagzine. Three years ago this May we moved to NE Texas, and I introduced myself to a local veterinarian shortly after moving here. I told him that raised sheep and he said you'll have to worm your sheep here every 30 days. I told him that I used DE and he said that my sheep would die here if I just used that. (Geez, no wonder the wormers don't work anymore) I located a young couple who raise grass fed sheep about 1 hour west of where we live, and they were mixing DE into kelp and free feeding the sheep this mix. They also did a drench periodically with a liquid Amway soap. So for the first year here in TX, I used the DE/kelp mix and then I looked the info back up regarding the Garlic Barrier and bought a gallon of that in 2010. I continued free feeding the DE/kelp mix and did a periodic drench with Garlic Barrier and water (no more than 3 x per year) and that works really well. If an animal gets thin and the Garlic drench did not seem to work, I would give them a dose of Sa feGuard but that is pretty rare. This year I had a ram lamb born in March and in July he started to lose weight. He did not have bottle jaw and I checked the inside of his eyelids to see if he had good color and he did. But I went ahead and gave him the garlic drench and reweighed him a week later. He was not responding after a couple weeks of drenching and weighing. Approximately 3 weeks ago I moved all my rams to another pen so now I can't weigh him. But about 2 weeks ago, I got the idea to make a slurry out of DE and the Garlic Barrier to drench him with that. I did the drench 3 x a week for a couple weeks and I can see now that he is putting weight back on. His shoulders are filling back in and his coat is no longer dull and dry feeling. So from now on I will do the combination of the DE/Garlic Barrier for all the sheep when I do the drench because it gives them a good dose of the DE that way. Last year I did lose a lamb that I tried for 3 months to save him to no avail. I took him to the vet and he ended up selling me 2 different commercial wormers because the first one given did not work. He sent me home with the last dose and said if this does not work then the best thing to do is put him down. Even though he was a freezer lamb I wanted to do the best I could to save him but nothing worked. I guess he just had a really weak immune system and no matter what I did I could not save him and we did put him own. BTW, also add this to the dog's dinner periodically and the poultry feed as well. I mist the poultry feed as I do the sheep's grain so that the DE sticks to their feed. Just thought I would pass this on. Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
A few years back I purchased several ewes from a guy that never wormed he felt that the most worm resistance would survive. I let these ewes be my herds foundation. While I do worm once a year I have not loss any sheep or had any with bottle jaw. I do not rotate pasture. Before I was raising another breed of hair sheep and I was worming every three months and still loss lambs due to worms. I live in central Louisiana where the climate is perfect for the worms. I'am convinced that resistance can be into your herd. --- On Tue, 7/19/11, imgr8a...@comcast.net imgr8a...@comcast.net wrote: From: imgr8a...@comcast.net imgr8a...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 10:02 PM I feel very lucky after hearing all the problems some of you are having with worms. Nancy L. Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net cell: 301 440 4808 - Original Message - From: Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:46:39 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Jerry: I have nearly lost 2 over 12 years due to worms causing other disesase. I have found that worming 3 times one week apart every 6 months or so works for me. Right now we are in a drought and anything that is creating a demand on their system is just too much... I alternate with safeguard (panacur) and ivermectin in the feed. I put out just enough feed mixed with the wormer that I know that they will get it eaten within a few minutes. If there appears to be anyone that still has worms, I use oral ivomec. If you look at livestock concept's site, you will find hog wormer for mising in the feed. I use this. I use the recommended rate per animal, but once a week for 3 weeks. It has worked great, and I do not have to catch each one and drench it... Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: eubankac...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Jerry, I am in Central Florida. A few years back I was losing my lambs to worms. My vet recommended Safe-guard (fenbendazole) dewormer for goats. 2 cc once a week for three weeks for those showing signs of worms (bottle jaw). On the fourth week I had them tested and all was find. I give my lambs up to one year old 2 cc every other month. I have not lost any since. I questioned my vet about the fact this was labeled for goats? He said if we only gave sheep medicine that was labeled sheep we would not have any sheep left in the world. But I think Stephanie Parrish's worming method is better, expensive but better. I believe she uses Shaklee Basic-H. Joan Eubank ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
Sheep Group: Thanks for all your replies. It is clear that there are multiple techniques that we use for dealing with parasites. Some worm, some do not. Some use home brewed solutions, most use pharmaceuticals. You all report a variety of schedules and preventative measures. Thanks for the education. The fecal analysis came up with barber pole worm (Haemonchus contortus) and roundworm (trichostrongylus). So I have drenched with Panacur @ 10 cc per animal and will do so again in two weeks. I think I will copy the method several mentioned of periodic checking of the mucous membrane and only treating those with significant anemia and culling those that have to be treated more than once. It now occurs to me that all of the deaths are of lambs crossed with our Wiltshire ram and our ABB ewes. I conclude that the Wiltshire has passed on some diminished resistance to his offspring. I have been trying to produce a heavier lamb for the slaughter market with the Wiltshire. Maybe I would be better off using a Katahdin ram for that purpose. Anyway, thanks to all. What would we do without the Sheep Group? What a great educational tool. Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi - Original Message - From: Jerry blueberryf...@bellsouth.net To: Sheep Group blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:34:00 PM Subject: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
Jerry, I am in Central Florida. A few years back I was losing my lambs to worms. My vet recommended Safe-guard (fenbendazole) dewormer for goats. 2 cc once a week for three weeks for those showing signs of worms (bottle jaw). On the fourth week I had them tested and all was find. I give my lambs up to one year old 2 cc every other month. I have not lost any since. I questioned my vet about the fact this was labeled for goats? He said if we only gave sheep medicine that was labeled sheep we would not have any sheep left in the world. But I think Stephanie Parrish's worming method is better, expensive but better. I believe she uses Shaklee Basic-H. Joan Eubank ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
Jerry: I have nearly lost 2 over 12 years due to worms causing other disesase. I have found that worming 3 times one week apart every 6 months or so works for me. Right now we are in a drought and anything that is creating a demand on their system is just too much... I alternate with safeguard (panacur) and ivermectin in the feed. I put out just enough feed mixed with the wormer that I know that they will get it eaten within a few minutes. If there appears to be anyone that still has worms, I use oral ivomec. If you look at livestock concept's site, you will find hog wormer for mising in the feed. I use this. I use the recommended rate per animal, but once a week for 3 weeks. It has worked great, and I do not have to catch each one and drench it... Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: eubankac...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Jerry, I am in Central Florida. A few years back I was losing my lambs to worms. My vet recommended Safe-guard (fenbendazole) dewormer for goats. 2 cc once a week for three weeks for those showing signs of worms (bottle jaw). On the fourth week I had them tested and all was find. I give my lambs up to one year old 2 cc every other month. I have not lost any since. I questioned my vet about the fact this was labeled for goats? He said if we only gave sheep medicine that was labeled sheep we would not have any sheep left in the world. But I think Stephanie Parrish's worming method is better, expensive but better. I believe she uses Shaklee Basic-H. Joan Eubank ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Worming info/dosage
go to www.livestocconcepts.com and use the same dosage as cattle. Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: Kristi Brian Muck star...@flash.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: [Blackbelly] Worming info/dosage What is the recommended wormer and dosage for some new blackbelly sheep we just got? I have fenbendazole on hand but can order Valbazen or Cydectin from Premier Livestock supply if one of those would be better. I don't have a way to do a fecal test, but they look wormy to me (bloated belly but thin everywhere else). Thanks, Kristi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] worming
Nancy the dosage is about 1/4 cup per head of sheep for 3 consecutive days followed by 1/4 cup per head once a week or so all year round. Flax seed has a nutty flavor so I just top dress with it and the sheep love the taste. It's not inexpensive to use and it keeps better refrigerated but, like you, I was really looking for a product that is natural. For me it is worth it to spend a little more to have healthy sheep and not deal with chemical wormers. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] worming
Flax seed is also a major component in many supplenmts that peole who own performance animals use to help enhance skin and coat-- it provides quite a few EFAs ( essential fatty acids) that aid in skin health, espeicially if is has not been heat processed-- and, my vet suggested Iuse Flax seed oil to help keep inflammation down arounf my Chessies eyes-- guess what-- two tablespoons a day of a cold pressed Oil, and I haven't had him scratch a cornea since... Terry W --- Dayna Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nancy the dosage is about 1/4 cup per head of sheep for 3 consecutive days followed by 1/4 cup per head once a week or so all year round. Flax seed has a nutty flavor so I just top dress with it and the sheep love the taste. It's not inexpensive to use and it keeps better refrigerated but, like you, I was really looking for a product that is natural. For me it is worth it to spend a little more to have healthy sheep and not deal with chemical wormers. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] worming sheep
We've lost sheep, but we've saved alot of sheep too. We've used ivomec orally and injectable, and levisole(?sp) pills, but have had better success with Synanthic which is oral. Once sheep have bottlejaw you have about a 95% chance of having some type of digestive track infection and inflamation, according to our vet. So not only do you have to treat the worm problem you also have to treat the infection with antibotics, our vet suggested penicillin. Good luck! Stephanie - Original Message - From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: [blackbelly] worming sheep Hello, we are looking for a little advice. We are helping out with a herd of sheep. 2 have bottle jaw already. We got all of them wormed with ivomec oral on this past wednesday the 20th. We would like to worm again but how soon? We can worm with either dectomax injection or cydectin oral . Hopefully we can save them. Do any of them ever pull through or do they die? Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] worming sheep
Nancy, Mine have all pulled through when they have had bottle jaw. But I learned of a better method several years ago. Because of the worm load the sheep have by the time they have bottle jaw, sometimes with one worming they can die. What works real well is 3 wormings. Each worming is 1/2 of the wormer and the sheep are wormed every day for 3 days. You can use the same wormer for the 3 wormings. You end up giving the sheep one and 1/2 times the dosage. Two weeks later give a full dose of a different wormer. For that worming I usually use safeguard or anything from a different chemical family. This method is time consuming but it doesn't seem to stress the sheep as much as one worming. Especially if they are near the end of a pregnancy. Since you have wormed once go ahead and worm again in a couple of weeks. Rhonda - Original Message - From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: [blackbelly] worming sheep Hello, we are looking for a little advice. We are helping out with a herd of sheep. 2 have bottle jaw already. We got all of them wormed with ivomec oral on this past wednesday the 20th. We would like to worm again but how soon? We can worm with either dectomax injection or cydectin oral . Hopefully we can save them. Do any of them ever pull through or do they die? Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] worming sheep
Hello, we are looking for a little advice. We are helping out with a herd of sheep. 2 have bottle jaw already. We got all of them wormed with ivomec oral on this past wednesday the 20th. We would like to worm again but how soon? We can worm with either dectomax injection or cydectin oral . Hopefully we can save them. Do any of them ever pull through or do they die? Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
