Re: [blfs-dev] ConsoleKit

2013-01-18 Thread Nathan Coulson
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Nathan Coulson  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Randy McMurchy
>  wrote:
>> g if this subject has been discussed
>> and I missed the discussion. I am curious about BLFS' view on the obsolete
>> and deprecated package ConsoleKit. ConsoleKit is listed as a dependency for
>> several BLFS packages, and recommended for at least one package. The issue
>> is the package is unmaintained.
>
> Not a consolekit user here,  so apologies if I'm completely wrong.
>
> If it has been depreciated and unmaintained, Ideally we would want
> packages to target it's replacement.  Looks like systemd-loginctl is
> it's replacement. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit.
>  (and currently we do not use systemd in the book).
>
> Based on that, I'd recommend keeping it unless it's a maintenance
> burden on us, or it's no longer "useful" for the required packages.
>
> Just like GTK+2 replaced GTK+1,  when all the packages moved over, and
> I imagine GTK+3 will eventually supplant GTK+2
>
>
> If it's required for a package, or optional for many packages,
>
>
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sorry, sent prematurely.  Just ignore that last line.

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Re: [blfs-dev] ConsoleKit

2013-01-18 Thread Nathan Coulson
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Randy McMurchy
 wrote:
> g if this subject has been discussed
> and I missed the discussion. I am curious about BLFS' view on the obsolete
> and deprecated package ConsoleKit. ConsoleKit is listed as a dependency for
> several BLFS packages, and recommended for at least one package. The issue
> is the package is unmaintained.

Not a consolekit user here,  so apologies if I'm completely wrong.

If it has been depreciated and unmaintained, Ideally we would want
packages to target it's replacement.  Looks like systemd-loginctl is
it's replacement. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit.
 (and currently we do not use systemd in the book).

Based on that, I'd recommend keeping it unless it's a maintenance
burden on us, or it's no longer "useful" for the required packages.

Just like GTK+2 replaced GTK+1,  when all the packages moved over, and
I imagine GTK+3 will eventually supplant GTK+2


If it's required for a package, or optional for many packages,


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[blfs-dev] ConsoleKit

2013-01-18 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all,

My apologies right here at the beginning if this subject has been discussed
and I missed the discussion. I am curious about BLFS' view on the obsolete
and deprecated package ConsoleKit. ConsoleKit is listed as a dependency for
several BLFS packages, and recommended for at least one package. The issue
is the package is unmaintained.

We (BLFS) list ConsoleKit in the "Security" section of the book. It would
seem to me that packages in the "Security" section would have a solid base
behind it, and the package would be looked at closely. However, because
ConsoleKit is now abandoned, deprecated, and apparently has been replaced
by the systemd package (which BLFS doesn't support), it seems that this
would be a security hole.

I am not saying that the current BLFS situation with ConsoleKit is a security
hole, I am just saying that it could turn in to one. I would like a discussion
about the future of our direction toward the ConsoleKit deprecation, and the
apparent move by most other distribution's move toward systemd.

If anyone is interested in discussion, I encourage your participation.

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