[Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

2012-05-30 Thread Sharon Gosling
I got a new Dell Win 7 laptop recently and it came with IE  9.  On my previous 
laptop I have constantly rolled it back to IE 8 which is a royal pain but can 
be done. But on the new one there was not an IE 8 to roll back to.  When I 
searched on the Microsoft site it said there was IE 8 for XP but I did not see 
one for Windows 7. I am using Jaws 11.
Since I still have the old laptop I have compared the same websites on both IE 
8 and 9 and 8 has more clickable links.
Can anyone tell me how to get to IE 8? How to remove the IE 9 and replace it 
with 8? Where to find the Win 7 version of IE 8 to download?
And last but not least, how can I keep it from constantly installing IE 9 every 
week?
I have been through the windows updates but can’t find any place to click to 
prevent the IE 9 from re-installing itself.
I thought I could live with IE 9 but with Jaws 11 it is almost impossible.  
Another very bothersome problem with the IE 9 is that when I go down the page 
line by line looking for something specific it says blank about 10 times or 
more before getting to the next element.  I do use the n or p or control down 
arrow but I am afraid it often skips over the specific thing I am looking for.
So any help would be gratefully appreciated.
Sherrie Gosling

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Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

2012-05-30 Thread David Ferrin
If it came with IE 9 already installed my information is that you're not 
going to be able to roll it back to IE 8. Sorry to tell you that as the 
saying goes.
David Ferrin
Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones 
that mind don't matter.
- Original Message - 
From: Sharon Gosling sillygoo...@gmail.com
To: blind blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:40 AM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8


I got a new Dell Win 7 laptop recently and it came with IE  9.  On my 
previous laptop I have constantly rolled it back to IE 8 which is a royal 
pain but can be done. But on the new one there was not an IE 8 to roll back 
to.  When I searched on the Microsoft site it said there was IE 8 for XP but 
I did not see one for Windows 7. I am using Jaws 11.
Since I still have the old laptop I have compared the same websites on both 
IE 8 and 9 and 8 has more clickable links.
Can anyone tell me how to get to IE 8? How to remove the IE 9 and replace it 
with 8? Where to find the Win 7 version of IE 8 to download?
And last but not least, how can I keep it from constantly installing IE 9 
every week?
I have been through the windows updates but can’t find any place to click to 
prevent the IE 9 from re-installing itself.
I thought I could live with IE 9 but with Jaws 11 it is almost impossible. 
Another very bothersome problem with the IE 9 is that when I go down the 
page line by line looking for something specific it says blank about 10 
times or more before getting to the next element.  I do use the n or p or 
control down arrow but I am afraid it often skips over the specific thing I 
am looking for.
So any help would be gratefully appreciated.
Sherrie Gosling

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Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

2012-05-30 Thread Norman King
I have ie 9 and I really like it.
What do you mean by more clickable links?


-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com 
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:59 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

If it came with IE 9 already installed my information is that you're not going 
to be able to roll it back to IE 8. Sorry to tell you that as the saying goes.
David Ferrin
Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that 
mind don't matter.
- Original Message -
From: Sharon Gosling sillygoo...@gmail.com
To: blind blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:40 AM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8


I got a new Dell Win 7 laptop recently and it came with IE  9.  On my previous 
laptop I have constantly rolled it back to IE 8 which is a royal pain but can 
be done. But on the new one there was not an IE 8 to roll back to.  When I 
searched on the Microsoft site it said there was IE 8 for XP but I did not see 
one for Windows 7. I am using Jaws 11.
Since I still have the old laptop I have compared the same websites on both IE 
8 and 9 and 8 has more clickable links.
Can anyone tell me how to get to IE 8? How to remove the IE 9 and replace it 
with 8? Where to find the Win 7 version of IE 8 to download?
And last but not least, how can I keep it from constantly installing IE 9 every 
week?
I have been through the windows updates but can’t find any place to click to 
prevent the IE 9 from re-installing itself.
I thought I could live with IE 9 but with Jaws 11 it is almost impossible. 
Another very bothersome problem with the IE 9 is that when I go down the page 
line by line looking for something specific it says blank about 10 times or 
more before getting to the next element.  I do use the n or p or control down 
arrow but I am afraid it often skips over the specific thing I am looking for.
So any help would be gratefully appreciated.
Sherrie Gosling

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Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

2012-05-30 Thread Sharon Gosling
An example of why IE 8 works better with Jaws 11, at least is a page called 
thefriendmail.com which I recently set up to give me an easy way to handle 
Facebook.  When setting it up it took me to the page on my Facebook where it 
asked for permission. On IE 9 there was no link that said Allow. In fact, 
after much tedious searching I could not even find the word in the proper 
place to attempt to click it.  On IE 8, however, the link for Allow 
preceeded the information about the friend mail.
I would really like to know if this link shows up on IE 9 with Jaws 13.  If 
Jaws 13 is really an improvement in handling the Internet I might have to 
bite the bullet and upgrade although the $$ is not really in my budget.  I 
did not upgrade previously since none of the new features was anything that 
seemed necessary to me.
It seems that every time i get a new computer  I have to add in the cost of 
a double jump in Jaws versions.  Makes that sale on my Dell so not worth it, 
especially as I took the 3 year policy on it as well.

Live and learn, I guess.

I still would like to know how to keep IE 9 from constantly re-installing on 
my former laptop so I can use it for trickier sites.
Also would like to know how to make jaws not say blank, blank, blank, over 
and over when arrowing down a page in IE 9.

Thanks in advance.
Sherrie Gosling


-Original Message- 
From: Norman King

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:01 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

I have ie 9 and I really like it.
What do you mean by more clickable links?


-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com 
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:59 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

If it came with IE 9 already installed my information is that you're not 
going to be able to roll it back to IE 8. Sorry to tell you that as the 
saying goes.

David Ferrin
Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones 
that mind don't matter.

- Original Message -
From: Sharon Gosling sillygoo...@gmail.com
To: blind blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:40 AM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8


I got a new Dell Win 7 laptop recently and it came with IE  9.  On my 
previous laptop I have constantly rolled it back to IE 8 which is a royal 
pain but can be done. But on the new one there was not an IE 8 to roll back 
to.  When I searched on the Microsoft site it said there was IE 8 for XP but 
I did not see one for Windows 7. I am using Jaws 11.
Since I still have the old laptop I have compared the same websites on both 
IE 8 and 9 and 8 has more clickable links.
Can anyone tell me how to get to IE 8? How to remove the IE 9 and replace it 
with 8? Where to find the Win 7 version of IE 8 to download?
And last but not least, how can I keep it from constantly installing IE 9 
every week?
I have been through the windows updates but can’t find any place to click to 
prevent the IE 9 from re-installing itself.

I thought I could live with IE 9 but with Jaws 11 it is almost impossible.
Another very bothersome problem with the IE 9 is that when I go down the 
page line by line looking for something specific it says blank about 10 
times or more before getting to the next element.  I do use the n or p or 
control down arrow but I am afraid it often skips over the specific thing I 
am looking for.

So any help would be gratefully appreciated.
Sherrie Gosling

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Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

2012-05-30 Thread Norman King
Hi.
You could try using nvda an open source screen reader.
It works well with ie 9.
I have it on my computer and use it almost all the time.
The only time I do not use it is to do some design in Microsoft access.
When you first download it the voices leave a lot to wish for.
However you can get much beter voices from Microsoft for free.
The screen reader is free as well but they do ask for donations
It is a project worth supporting as I would rate the screen reader a close 
third after jaws and window eyes.
The homepage is www.nvda-project.org

-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com 
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Gosling
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:32 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

An example of why IE 8 works better with Jaws 11, at least is a page called 
thefriendmail.com which I recently set up to give me an easy way to handle 
Facebook.  When setting it up it took me to the page on my Facebook where it 
asked for permission. On IE 9 there was no link that said Allow. In fact, after 
much tedious searching I could not even find the word in the proper place to 
attempt to click it.  On IE 8, however, the link for Allow preceeded the 
information about the friend mail.
I would really like to know if this link shows up on IE 9 with Jaws 13.  If 
Jaws 13 is really an improvement in handling the Internet I might have to bite 
the bullet and upgrade although the $$ is not really in my budget.  I did not 
upgrade previously since none of the new features was anything that seemed 
necessary to me.
It seems that every time i get a new computer  I have to add in the cost of a 
double jump in Jaws versions.  Makes that sale on my Dell so not worth it, 
especially as I took the 3 year policy on it as well.
Live and learn, I guess.

I still would like to know how to keep IE 9 from constantly re-installing on my 
former laptop so I can use it for trickier sites.
Also would like to know how to make jaws not say blank, blank, blank, over and 
over when arrowing down a page in IE 9.
Thanks in advance.
Sherrie Gosling


-Original Message-
From: Norman King
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:01 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

I have ie 9 and I really like it.
What do you mean by more clickable links?


-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:59 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

If it came with IE 9 already installed my information is that you're not going 
to be able to roll it back to IE 8. Sorry to tell you that as the saying goes.
David Ferrin
Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that 
mind don't matter.
- Original Message -
From: Sharon Gosling sillygoo...@gmail.com
To: blind blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:40 AM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8


I got a new Dell Win 7 laptop recently and it came with IE  9.  On my previous 
laptop I have constantly rolled it back to IE 8 which is a royal pain but can 
be done. But on the new one there was not an IE 8 to roll back to.  When I 
searched on the Microsoft site it said there was IE 8 for XP but I did not see 
one for Windows 7. I am using Jaws 11.
Since I still have the old laptop I have compared the same websites on both IE 
8 and 9 and 8 has more clickable links.
Can anyone tell me how to get to IE 8? How to remove the IE 9 and replace it 
with 8? Where to find the Win 7 version of IE 8 to download?
And last but not least, how can I keep it from constantly installing IE 9 every 
week?
I have been through the windows updates but can’t find any place to click to 
prevent the IE 9 from re-installing itself.
I thought I could live with IE 9 but with Jaws 11 it is almost impossible.
Another very bothersome problem with the IE 9 is that when I go down the page 
line by line looking for something specific it says blank about 10 times or 
more before getting to the next element.  I do use the n or p or control down 
arrow but I am afraid it often skips over the specific thing I am looking for.
So any help would be gratefully appreciated.
Sherrie Gosling

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Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

2012-05-30 Thread Don Marang
IE9 works different than IE8.  I am not sure how the new methods work
with older versions of JAWS.  Instead of a dialog that pops up for
things like security, or approving an add-on, or a file download, it
displays the message of the dialog and the buttons for it's options in
the Information bar.  This bar is above the top of the page in the frame
of IE.  I hear it is displayed in yellow.  Pressing Alt + n will move
focus to the Information bar.  This is a Windows shortcut, so it will
still work using other screen readers or older versions of JAWS. 
Usually, the buttons can be reached after going to the Information bar
by pressing Tab.  If the button says split, hitting Enter on it will
take that option, other options can be seen by using the Down Arrow.  I
do not know how older versions of JAWS treats or handles these buttons. 
On 5/30/2012 8:32 AM, Sharon Gosling wrote:
 An example of why IE 8 works better with Jaws 11, at least is a page
 called thefriendmail.com which I recently set up to give me an easy
 way to handle Facebook.  When setting it up it took me to the page on
 my Facebook where it asked for permission. On IE 9 there was no link
 that said Allow. In fact, after much tedious searching I could not
 even find the word in the proper place to attempt to click it.  On IE
 8, however, the link for Allow preceeded the information about the
 friend mail.
 I would really like to know if this link shows up on IE 9 with Jaws
 13.  If Jaws 13 is really an improvement in handling the Internet I
 might have to bite the bullet and upgrade although the $$ is not
 really in my budget.  I did not upgrade previously since none of the
 new features was anything that seemed necessary to me.
 It seems that every time i get a new computer  I have to add in the
 cost of a double jump in Jaws versions.  Makes that sale on my Dell so
 not worth it, especially as I took the 3 year policy on it as well.
 Live and learn, I guess.

 I still would like to know how to keep IE 9 from constantly
 re-installing on my former laptop so I can use it for trickier sites.
 Also would like to know how to make jaws not say blank, blank, blank,
 over and over when arrowing down a page in IE 9.
 Thanks in advance.
 Sherrie Gosling


 -Original Message- From: Norman King
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:01 AM
 To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

 I have ie 9 and I really like it.
 What do you mean by more clickable links?


 -Original Message-
 From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
 [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:59 AM
 To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

 If it came with IE 9 already installed my information is that you're
 not going to be able to roll it back to IE 8. Sorry to tell you that
 as the saying goes.
 David Ferrin
 Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the
 ones that mind don't matter.
 - Original Message -
 From: Sharon Gosling sillygoo...@gmail.com
 To: blind blind-computing@jaws-users.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:40 AM
 Subject: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8


 I got a new Dell Win 7 laptop recently and it came with IE  9.  On my
 previous laptop I have constantly rolled it back to IE 8 which is a
 royal pain but can be done. But on the new one there was not an IE 8
 to roll back to.  When I searched on the Microsoft site it said there
 was IE 8 for XP but I did not see one for Windows 7. I am using Jaws 11.
 Since I still have the old laptop I have compared the same websites on
 both IE 8 and 9 and 8 has more clickable links.
 Can anyone tell me how to get to IE 8? How to remove the IE 9 and
 replace it with 8? Where to find the Win 7 version of IE 8 to download?
 And last but not least, how can I keep it from constantly installing
 IE 9 every week?
 I have been through the windows updates but can’t find any place to
 click to prevent the IE 9 from re-installing itself.
 I thought I could live with IE 9 but with Jaws 11 it is almost
 impossible.
 Another very bothersome problem with the IE 9 is that when I go down
 the page line by line looking for something specific it says blank
 about 10 times or more before getting to the next element.  I do use
 the n or p or control down arrow but I am afraid it often skips over
 the specific thing I am looking for.
 So any help would be gratefully appreciated.
 Sherrie Gosling

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[Blind-Computing] Pandora Volume

2012-05-30 Thread Steve Cook
 Hi All,

 I have a consumer using Pandora on a windows XP computer using jaws.  How can 
 she turn the volume down for Pandora so she can hear jaws better?  I do not 
 use this program, so I am not able to assist her. Thanks in advance for your 
 help!


Steve Cook
Assistive Technology Consultant
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate Avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Fax: (803) 898-8882
E-Mail: stc...@sccb.sc.gov



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[Blind-Computing] Putting Graphics On A Website?

2012-05-30 Thread Mark
Hi
 I just bought a nice set of graphics for my website. Now, I would like
to install them. I believe the website uses style sheets. Does anyone know
how I can go about installing and positioning the graphics. Everything I
have read so far on the net, assumes that I can see where the graphic is in
relation to other items on the webpage. This is not a very workable strategy
for me. Any ideas on how to overcome the visual boundary on this one?
 Thank you.
 
God bless,
Mark
 
God Loves you!
You can visit my website at:
http://christiantraditions.info http://christiantraditions.info/ 
Please visit my Prayer page at:
http://christiantraditions.info/mailman/listinfo/prayerlist_christiantraditi
ons.info
My Authors Page is:
httP://www.amazon.com/author/marktorgerson
 
 
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8

2012-05-30 Thread John Justice
Ann Annette,  I have found that using Control+Enter will sometimes activate
a link which doesn't ordinarily respond to the normal Enter key, alone.
This happens a lot with the Apple ITunes store.
I'm not sure why.
I do remember reading something about what were called Safety Links, links
which would not respond unless a certain key combination was used with the
Enter key.
This might be way off base but I hope it helps.


John and Linda Justice
With guide dogs Jake and Zachary
PERSONAL E-MAIL:  john_just...@verizon.net
 
-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Annette Carr
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:38 PM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8

As I stated in my original message, I am using Windows7, I.E.8 and JAWS 12.
So far the only thing that I have found that works is navigating to the
link, press enter and if nothing happens, use the applications key to use
Open, Open in new tab or Open in new window.



-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Gosling
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:51 PM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8

I am using Windows 7 Jaws 11 and IE 9 and the same thing happens on  many
websites. I know it is a link but I can't get it to work using enter, space
bar, left mouse key, or even trying to locate it in Jaws cursor.  Very
annoying as some of these are vital such as Print coupons.
I was told by FS that Jaws 11 would not work with IE9 so I am curious as to
whether this is happening with higher versions of Jaws.
Thanks,
Sherrie Gosling

-Original Message-
From: David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 11:16 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8

F5 always refreshes my screen.
David Ferrin
Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones
that mind don't matter.
- Original Message -
From: David davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8


Hello there;

Did you mean to say f6?
F5 will do nothing for you.


-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Annette Carr
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:33 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8

I have used both Insert+ESC and F5 with no change.  I am not losing focus as
I remain on the link I am trying to activate.  I've used Control+Tab to move
away from that tab and added the Shift key to the command to move back with
no difference.  The problem is definitely website dependent as I can go back
to the problem sites and continue to experience the problem.

Annette


-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:04 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8

Hello there;
Have you tried refreshing the screen with insert+escape.
Although I'm using IE9,
Sometimes this happens, I just press the f6-key, This seems to bring the
page To focus; Or maybe, try; press ctrl+f6 this places you  at the top of
the page.

-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Annette Carr
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:42 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8

I've tried Insert+7 without success, as well as Tab and Shift+Tab and
Alt+Tab.

It really makes no sense to me and has me stumped.
Annette


-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Hamid AITOUZNAG
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 4:28 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Cannot activate some links in I.E. 8

Hi all,

Annette, in addition to what other listers have suggested, try these
alternatives:

Sometimes, you may need to press insert plus f7 and click on the desired
link from within the list of links   to make it work.

Another solution you may try is to tab or shift tab away from the link, then
tab back to it and press enter. Remember, don't use the arrow keys, use tab
instead. Jaws uses a virtual buffer which  sometimes doesn't interact
properly with some of the webpage elements.

Hope that helps!

Hamid AITOUZNAG
We never value what we have until we lose it!
Be careful how you treat people on your way up because you might meet them
again on your way down!!!

[Blind-Computing] New Laptop

2012-05-30 Thread Josh
Hello everyone,
I am considering buying a new laptop for my fiance. She is sighted, but I will 
still have to access it from time to time to see what kind of problem she may 
have encountered. I am researching some different things and have come across a 
couple of different websites dealing with processors. Apparently Intel is the 
best leaving AMD in the dust. However, when looking at Intel there is still a 
wide selection to choose from. A couple that is sticking out to me right now 
are the 790X which I think it said it had a processor speed of 3.3 ghz, but 
could handle up to 3.7 ghz. Then there is the i2500 which is supposedly last 
years model, maybe even 2010 model, but according to the website that spoke of 
this processor it is the best on the market right now. Is this the case? Now, 
we move into 32 bit or 64 bit. My theory is that now that 64 bit has been 
introduced eventually 32 bit will phase out. Is that a safe assumption? In the 
meantime though i hear that a lot of programs are not supporting 64 bit at this 
time. Is this correct? Does the Microsoft Suite work on either system? I am 
sure eventually I will need to look into sound cards to determine which one I 
will want in her system and I guess video card as well. If I buy it off the 
shelf then I have to take what I get, but if I have it built and that is what I 
am looking at what is going to be the best or next to best that can go in this 
system. I say next to best because the best might be out of my price range so I 
am just wanting to have a fallback option. Any other information when 
considering a laptop will be greatly appreciated. I want her computer to have 
the capability of playing games, but if she needs to make a powerpoint for 
school or if she needs to write a paper for school then she also has that 
capability as well. So versatility is a must. Thank you all in advance for any 
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[Blind-Computing] hold off updating super antispyware

2012-05-30 Thread Lenny McHugh
I just had an update notification so started the process. Something crashed 
during the process and the program was removed from my system. I just went to 
the website do download it again and there are warnings that they are having 
problems. I would hold off updating for several hours or go to the website 
first to make sure it is running correctly.
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Pandora Volume

2012-05-30 Thread jim rawls
Tell her to buy Hope for $10, and within that program, I think you can raise and
lower the volume. Jim

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From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cook
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:05 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Pandora Volume

 Hi All,

 I have a consumer using Pandora on a windows XP computer using jaws.  How can 
 she
turn the volume down for Pandora so she can hear jaws better?  I do not use this
program, so I am not able to assist her. Thanks in advance for your help!


Steve Cook
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SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate Avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
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Fax: (803) 898-8882
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[Blind-Computing] Clipboard and computer delay

2012-05-30 Thread Brad Dunse
I wonder if anyone else has this issue. I can't say when this started or if
it was even always there on this newer machine. I'm using Wind 7, 64 bit and
Office 2010.

The issue is often, but not always, when I copy something to the clipboard
while in Word, the computer just hangs for about ten seconds. I thought it
maybe it was scanning or something.

I thought maybe some sort of virus too, but I run McAffy and Malware Bytes,
and though I see this happened similar to others on a Google search, I
didn't' see a definite solution, at least not one I was willing to go
clicking around the net on unknown domains for supposed fixes.

Is there some sort of clipboard setting I can't find to shut something off?
I don't' know if it is Office clipboard or Windows clipboard but I suspect
Office clipboard. I see clipboard items in my system tray as well. I did use
the apps key and clicked stop collecting which seemed to help temporarily,
but I see they're back now. Must have been after closing office or
something. Anyway it's frustrating waiting for it from time to time.

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Re: [Blind-Computing] Clipboard and computer delay

2012-05-30 Thread David
Hello there;
I don't have the problem your speaking about, in fact, I don't see nothing
in my system tray referring to clipboard.
Perhaps this is the issue?
Is there a way to not have those things running in the system tray?


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From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Brad Dunse
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:48 PM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Clipboard and computer delay

I wonder if anyone else has this issue. I can't say when this started or if
it was even always there on this newer machine. I'm using Wind 7, 64 bit and
Office 2010.

The issue is often, but not always, when I copy something to the clipboard
while in Word, the computer just hangs for about ten seconds. I thought it
maybe it was scanning or something.

I thought maybe some sort of virus too, but I run McAffy and Malware Bytes,
and though I see this happened similar to others on a Google search, I
didn't' see a definite solution, at least not one I was willing to go
clicking around the net on unknown domains for supposed fixes.

Is there some sort of clipboard setting I can't find to shut something off?
I don't' know if it is Office clipboard or Windows clipboard but I suspect
Office clipboard. I see clipboard items in my system tray as well. I did use
the apps key and clicked stop collecting which seemed to help temporarily,
but I see they're back now. Must have been after closing office or
something. Anyway it's frustrating waiting for it from time to time.

Brad
 


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[Blind-Computing] Inserting Coomments

2012-05-30 Thread Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
How do you insert comments in a word document? I'm using Word 10.
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Inserting Coomments

2012-05-30 Thread Norman King
Hi.
Alt r c


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Thompson-Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:59 PM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Inserting Coomments

How do you insert comments in a word document? I'm using Word 10.
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Clipboard and computer delay

2012-05-30 Thread David
Hello try this;

1, open MSWord;

2, alt+h=home,
3, now tab until you hear;
Office clipboard,
Press the enter key this should turn it off.
If you however press the spacebar,
You will see some different options.
Let me know if this helps.


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From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Brad Dunse
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:48 PM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Clipboard and computer delay

I wonder if anyone else has this issue. I can't say when this started or if
it was even always there on this newer machine. I'm using Wind 7, 64 bit and
Office 2010.

The issue is often, but not always, when I copy something to the clipboard
while in Word, the computer just hangs for about ten seconds. I thought it
maybe it was scanning or something.

I thought maybe some sort of virus too, but I run McAffy and Malware Bytes,
and though I see this happened similar to others on a Google search, I
didn't' see a definite solution, at least not one I was willing to go
clicking around the net on unknown domains for supposed fixes.

Is there some sort of clipboard setting I can't find to shut something off?
I don't' know if it is Office clipboard or Windows clipboard but I suspect
Office clipboard. I see clipboard items in my system tray as well. I did use
the apps key and clicked stop collecting which seemed to help temporarily,
but I see they're back now. Must have been after closing office or
something. Anyway it's frustrating waiting for it from time to time.

Brad
 


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Re: [Blind-Computing] Inserting Comments

2012-05-30 Thread David
Hello;
The quick way is,
Alt+r/c,
If you would like to learn the menu,
You could,
Alt+h=home,
Right arrow until you hear,
Review,
Now you can tab to 
New comment, press enter.
Or, just press alt+r=review, and then tab,
Hope this helps.

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[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nicole Valicia
Thompson-Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:59 PM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Inserting Coomments

How do you insert comments in a word document? I'm using Word 10.
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Pandora Volume

2012-05-30 Thread Becky Buckner

Hi Steve.
Hope is a program which makes Pandora much more accessible.  Here is the 
link to purchase Hope.


http://q-continuum.net/hope/download

They are well worth the $10 cost if you wish to enjoy Pandora.

Becky

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Cook stc...@sccb.sc.gov

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Pandora Volume



Hi All,

I have a consumer using Pandora on a windows XP computer using jaws.  How 
can she turn the volume down for Pandora so she can hear jaws better?  I 
do not use this program, so I am not able to assist her. Thanks in 
advance for your help!




Steve Cook
Assistive Technology Consultant
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate Avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
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Fax: (803) 898-8882
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Clipboard and computer delay

2012-05-30 Thread Brad Dunse
I'd seen this before, and  evidently back then did exactly what you said
twice  in a  row not seeing any options or  difference in a status,  and
very likely dismissedly and unknowingly toggled it back on again. So far it
seems to have worked with the delay. 

The only thing different I did in case anyone needs to ajust it, was I
needed to arrow down to the Clipboards sub menu and then arrow to the Office
Clipboard button and hit enter. 

Too bad they don't' show it with a status on or off. Anyway, thanks I think
this will do it.

Brad



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From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:10 PM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Clipboard and computer delay

Hello try this;

1, open MSWord;

2, alt+h=home,
3, now tab until you hear;
Office clipboard,
Press the enter key this should turn it off.
If you however press the spacebar,
You will see some different options.
Let me know if this helps.


-Original Message-
From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Brad Dunse
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:48 PM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Clipboard and computer delay

I wonder if anyone else has this issue. I can't say when this started or if
it was even always there on this newer machine. I'm using Wind 7, 64 bit and
Office 2010.

The issue is often, but not always, when I copy something to the clipboard
while in Word, the computer just hangs for about ten seconds. I thought it
maybe it was scanning or something.

I thought maybe some sort of virus too, but I run McAffy and Malware Bytes,
and though I see this happened similar to others on a Google search, I
didn't' see a definite solution, at least not one I was willing to go
clicking around the net on unknown domains for supposed fixes.

Is there some sort of clipboard setting I can't find to shut something off?
I don't' know if it is Office clipboard or Windows clipboard but I suspect
Office clipboard. I see clipboard items in my system tray as well. I did use
the apps key and clicked stop collecting which seemed to help temporarily,
but I see they're back now. Must have been after closing office or
something. Anyway it's frustrating waiting for it from time to time.

Brad
 


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Re: [Blind-Computing] Putting Graphics On A Website?

2012-05-30 Thread Kimsan

Hello Mark:
Give Blind Access Training a holler, I think they will be able to assist 
you.

http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/main_files/contact.php
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To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] Putting Graphics On A Website?



Hi
I just bought a nice set of graphics for my website. Now, I would like
to install them. I believe the website uses style sheets. Does anyone know
how I can go about installing and positioning the graphics. Everything I
have read so far on the net, assumes that I can see where the graphic is 
in
relation to other items on the webpage. This is not a very workable 
strategy

for me. Any ideas on how to overcome the visual boundary on this one?
Thank you.

God bless,
Mark

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[Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop

2012-05-30 Thread Pedro Romero
Hi all. I just purchased a 64 bit laptop which has Windows Seven. I am not able 
to go online with this machine but have no problem doing so with my 32 bit 
desktop machine. 
Could it be the router? 
The routher I am currently using is set up for hard-wired and wireless 
connections but prior to this, I have only used the wireless connection with a 
Mac.
I should also say that I've had this Net-gear router for several years; long 
before 64 bit machines came out.
Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.
Pete
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Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

2012-05-30 Thread hareth iraq
Hi Sherrie
to prevent win7 of installing IE9
 u nead
to change
 windows update setting from automaticly install updates to let me
choose to download or install them
and that is in windows updates  change settings
 when the tool tip comes  with that  there is a new updates go to c
pannel windows updates tab to important updates open it
arro down to find IE9 press application key on it and tick hide update
this way it will never bother you again
u can set back automatic updates  again after done
 for your
new lap top
try this way it mite work
go to windows updates tab to installed updates
open it
and arro down to find IE9
if u find it there press application key
and uninstall it
that  will rollback Ie8
if it wasnt there
there is almost nothing to do
the easy way

hope it will work for u and take care...

On 5/30/12, Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
 IE9 works different than IE8.  I am not sure how the new methods work
 with older versions of JAWS.  Instead of a dialog that pops up for
 things like security, or approving an add-on, or a file download, it
 displays the message of the dialog and the buttons for it's options in
 the Information bar.  This bar is above the top of the page in the frame
 of IE.  I hear it is displayed in yellow.  Pressing Alt + n will move
 focus to the Information bar.  This is a Windows shortcut, so it will
 still work using other screen readers or older versions of JAWS.
 Usually, the buttons can be reached after going to the Information bar
 by pressing Tab.  If the button says split, hitting Enter on it will
 take that option, other options can be seen by using the Down Arrow.  I
 do not know how older versions of JAWS treats or handles these buttons.
 On 5/30/2012 8:32 AM, Sharon Gosling wrote:
 An example of why IE 8 works better with Jaws 11, at least is a page
 called thefriendmail.com which I recently set up to give me an easy
 way to handle Facebook.  When setting it up it took me to the page on
 my Facebook where it asked for permission. On IE 9 there was no link
 that said Allow. In fact, after much tedious searching I could not
 even find the word in the proper place to attempt to click it.  On IE
 8, however, the link for Allow preceeded the information about the
 friend mail.
 I would really like to know if this link shows up on IE 9 with Jaws
 13.  If Jaws 13 is really an improvement in handling the Internet I
 might have to bite the bullet and upgrade although the $$ is not
 really in my budget.  I did not upgrade previously since none of the
 new features was anything that seemed necessary to me.
 It seems that every time i get a new computer  I have to add in the
 cost of a double jump in Jaws versions.  Makes that sale on my Dell so
 not worth it, especially as I took the 3 year policy on it as well.
 Live and learn, I guess.

 I still would like to know how to keep IE 9 from constantly
 re-installing on my former laptop so I can use it for trickier sites.
 Also would like to know how to make jaws not say blank, blank, blank,
 over and over when arrowing down a page in IE 9.
 Thanks in advance.
 Sherrie Gosling


 -Original Message- From: Norman King
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:01 AM
 To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

 I have ie 9 and I really like it.
 What do you mean by more clickable links?


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 From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com
 [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:59 AM
 To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8

 If it came with IE 9 already installed my information is that you're
 not going to be able to roll it back to IE 8. Sorry to tell you that
 as the saying goes.
 David Ferrin
 Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the
 ones that mind don't matter.
 - Original Message -
 From: Sharon Gosling sillygoo...@gmail.com
 To: blind blind-computing@jaws-users.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:40 AM
 Subject: [Blind-Computing] IE 9 came on computer but I want IE 8


 I got a new Dell Win 7 laptop recently and it came with IE  9.  On my
 previous laptop I have constantly rolled it back to IE 8 which is a
 royal pain but can be done. But on the new one there was not an IE 8
 to roll back to.  When I searched on the Microsoft site it said there
 was IE 8 for XP but I did not see one for Windows 7. I am using Jaws 11.
 Since I still have the old laptop I have compared the same websites on
 both IE 8 and 9 and 8 has more clickable links.
 Can anyone tell me how to get to IE 8? How to remove the IE 9 and
 replace it with 8? Where to find the Win 7 version of IE 8 to download?
 And last but not least, how can I keep it from constantly installing
 IE 9 every week?
 I have been through the windows updates but can’t find any place to
 click to prevent the IE 9 from 

Re: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop

2012-05-30 Thread Aleeha Dudley
Yes. Most laptops do have a switch that will turn wireless on and off. I have a 
dell laptop that has said switch on the side. It can be a bit difficult !get a 
fingernail in there to turn wireless on and off, but other than that it is 
fairly simple. 
HTH, 


Aleeha 

On May 30, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Mike B. mb69ma...@charter.net wrote:

 Hi Pedro,
 
 I don't use a laptop computer but, i have read somewhere that there might be 
 a button or switch that turns on your wireless card.  Hopefully someone will 
 expand upon this  get you pointed in the right direction.  Also, what brand 
 / model laptop is it?  Take care.
 Mike
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Pedro Romero
  To: Blind Computing list
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:26 PM
  Subject: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop
 
 
  Hi all. I just purchased a 64 bit laptop which has Windows Seven. I am not 
 able to go online with this machine but have no problem doing so with my 32 
 bit desktop machine.
  Could it be the router?
  The routher I am currently using is set up for hard-wired and wireless 
 connections but prior to this, I have only used the wireless connection with 
 a Mac.
  I should also say that I've had this Net-gear router for several years; 
 long before 64 bit machines came out.
  Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.
  Pete
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop

2012-05-30 Thread Pedro Romero

Thanks Mike. The brand of the laptop is Lenovo.
Pete

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Re: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop

2012-05-30 Thread David Ferrin
My Lenovo has a switch on the front edge.
David Ferrin
Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones 
that mind don't matter.
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From: Pedro Romero phre...@comcast.net
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop


Thanks Mike. The brand of the laptop is Lenovo.
Pete

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Re: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop

2012-05-30 Thread Kimsan
I have a couple of laptops where there is this magnetic strip where if I run 
my finger across it, the internet will be turned off. I have enough vision 
to know if its blue, the internet is off and if it's red, the internet is on 
or was it the other way around?
- Original Message - 
From: Mike B. mb69ma...@charter.net

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop



Hi Pedro,

I don't use a laptop computer but, i have read somewhere that there might 
be
a button or switch that turns on your wireless card.  Hopefully someone 
will
expand upon this  get you pointed in the right direction.  Also, what 
brand

/ model laptop is it?  Take care.
Mike

 - Original Message - 
 From: Pedro Romero

 To: Blind Computing list
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:26 PM
 Subject: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop


 Hi all. I just purchased a 64 bit laptop which has Windows Seven. I am 
not
able to go online with this machine but have no problem doing so with my 
32

bit desktop machine.
 Could it be the router?
 The routher I am currently using is set up for hard-wired and wireless
connections but prior to this, I have only used the wireless connection 
with

a Mac.
 I should also say that I've had this Net-gear router for several years;
long before 64 bit machines came out.
 Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.
 Pete
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Re: [Blind-Computing] Unable to get online using 64 bit laptop

2012-05-30 Thread Pedro Romero
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Re: [Blind-Computing] New Laptop

2012-05-30 Thread Josh
In addition how much ram would you all suggest I get in the computer? Maybe 
the rest I asked previously is just left up to personal preference. I do 
want it to be quick though loading up and working in genral.
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From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net

To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:19 PM
Subject: [Blind-Computing] New Laptop



Hello everyone,
I am considering buying a new laptop for my fiance. She is sighted, but I 
will still have to access it from time to time to see what kind of problem 
she may have encountered. I am researching some different things and have 
come across a couple of different websites dealing with processors. 
Apparently Intel is the best leaving AMD in the dust. However, when 
looking at Intel there is still a wide selection to choose from. A couple 
that is sticking out to me right now are the 790X which I think it said it 
had a processor speed of 3.3 ghz, but could handle up to 3.7 ghz. Then 
there is the i2500 which is supposedly last years model, maybe even 2010 
model, but according to the website that spoke of this processor it is the 
best on the market right now. Is this the case? Now, we move into 32 bit 
or 64 bit. My theory is that now that 64 bit has been introduced 
eventually 32 bit will phase out. Is that a safe assumption? In the 
meantime though i hear that a lot of programs are not supporting 64 bit at 
this time. Is this correct? Does the Microsoft Suite work on either 
system? I am sure eventually I will need to look into sound cards to 
determine which one I will want in her system and I guess video card as 
well. If I buy it off the shelf then I have to take what I get, but if I 
have it built and that is what I am looking at what is going to be the 
best or next to best that can go in this system. I say next to best 
because the best might be out of my price range so I am just wanting to 
have a fallback option. Any other information when considering a laptop 
will be greatly appreciated. I want her computer to have the capability of 
playing games, but if she needs to make a powerpoint for school or if she 
needs to write a paper for school then she also has that capability as 
well. So versatility is a must. Thank you all in advance for any 
information offered on this matter.

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[Blind-Computing] email

2012-05-30 Thread Kimsan
Hello: Can Rick Justice email me off list at kimsans...@aol.com?
Thanks.
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