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hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of the information about the list. http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver yvonne.oli...@tafn.org.uk To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of the information about the list. http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver yvonne.oli...@tafn.org.uk To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Hi Yvonne; To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. 2. Arrow down to columns press enter, or just press the letter C, after pressing Alt + V. 3. Arrow down to Subject, now tab down to pixels wide, use your backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number type in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, now tab to okay press enter. To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com Put subscribe in the subject line and send. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of the information about the list. http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver yvonne.oli...@tafn.org.uk To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
hello Mike this may of done the trick will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line if it reads part of the body of the message so far since doing this alteration it has not. so hopefully this has worked. i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should they not all be 155? and some were checked and a couple were not. i have checked them all. is this a wise thing to do? or will it not make any difference if i check them all and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the difference? once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping people Yvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi Yvonne; To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. 2. Arrow down to columns press enter, or just press the letter C, after pressing Alt + V. 3. Arrow down to Subject, now tab down to pixels wide, use your backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number type in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, now tab to okay press enter. To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com Put subscribe in the subject line and send. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of the information about the list. http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver yvonne.oli...@tafn.org.uk To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
HI Yvonne; As far as the widths of the boxes go, my guess is that Microsoft figures that you only need to see XAmount of information per box. That is why you have the option to make them wider if you need to do so. In the Columns option of the view menu the things that you check will show up as fields / headers in an email. For example; I only have the attachments, From, Subject , Received options checked because that is all I want to see in the email fields. If i had the To, Sent, Size items checked, then an email would show who I sent the email to, what time I sent it, the size of the email. Those are 3 things I don't need to have shown to me. You can experiment with checking unchecking the different items just to see which way you prefer your emails to look. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello Mike this may of done the trick will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line if it reads part of the body of the message so far since doing this alteration it has not. so hopefully this has worked. i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should they not all be 155? and some were checked and a couple were not. i have checked them all. is this a wise thing to do? or will it not make any difference if i check them all and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the difference? once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping people Yvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi Yvonne; To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. 2. Arrow down to columns press enter, or just press the letter C, after pressing Alt + V. 3. Arrow down to Subject, now tab down to pixels wide, use your backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number type in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, now tab to okay press enter. To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com Put subscribe in the subject line and send. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of the information about the list. http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver yvonne.oli...@tafn.org.uk To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi David what is this? did not know you had another group Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most
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hi mike i have done the same as you and only checked 4 items however for some reason in my inbox some emails show the name of the person/company for instance t a f n then the remainder of the message. then when i open it i read the message and some only have what is mentioned in the subject box and not from the person or company who sent it did use to say from the person/company before i made those adjustments using the check/uncheck method any idea how i can get it back to how it was? thank youYvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list HI Yvonne; As far as the widths of the boxes go, my guess is that Microsoft figures that you only need to see XAmount of information per box. That is why you have the option to make them wider if you need to do so. In the Columns option of the view menu the things that you check will show up as fields / headers in an email. For example; I only have the attachments, From, Subject , Received options checked because that is all I want to see in the email fields. If i had the To, Sent, Size items checked, then an email would show who I sent the email to, what time I sent it, the size of the email. Those are 3 things I don't need to have shown to me. You can experiment with checking unchecking the different items just to see which way you prefer your emails to look. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello Mike this may of done the trick will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line if it reads part of the body of the message so far since doing this alteration it has not. so hopefully this has worked. i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should they not all be 155? and some were checked and a couple were not. i have checked them all. is this a wise thing to do? or will it not make any difference if i check them all and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the difference? once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping people Yvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi Yvonne; To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. 2. Arrow down to columns press enter, or just press the letter C, after pressing Alt + V. 3. Arrow down to Subject, now tab down to pixels wide, use your backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number type in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, now tab to okay press enter. To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com Put subscribe in the subject line and send. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Well it is a closely garded secret and not everybody is aware of it so I'm not surprised you didn't know. Actually I'm just kidding. Here is all of the information about the list. http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver yvonne.oli...@tafn.org.uk To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi David
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Hi Yvonne; Which 4 items do you have checked when you look at the list of items checked, in which order do they appear? What I mean is, which is 1st or at the top of the list, which is 2nd, 3rd so forth? Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi mike i have done the same as you and only checked 4 items however for some reason in my inbox some emails show the name of the person/company for instance t a f n then the remainder of the message. then when i open it i read the message and some only have what is mentioned in the subject box and not from the person or company who sent it did use to say from the person/company before i made those adjustments using the check/uncheck method any idea how i can get it back to how it was? thank youYvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list HI Yvonne; As far as the widths of the boxes go, my guess is that Microsoft figures that you only need to see XAmount of information per box. That is why you have the option to make them wider if you need to do so. In the Columns option of the view menu the things that you check will show up as fields / headers in an email. For example; I only have the attachments, From, Subject , Received options checked because that is all I want to see in the email fields. If i had the To, Sent, Size items checked, then an email would show who I sent the email to, what time I sent it, the size of the email. Those are 3 things I don't need to have shown to me. You can experiment with checking unchecking the different items just to see which way you prefer your emails to look. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello Mike this may of done the trick will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line if it reads part of the body of the message so far since doing this alteration it has not. so hopefully this has worked. i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should they not all be 155? and some were checked and a couple were not. i have checked them all. is this a wise thing to do? or will it not make any difference if i check them all and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the difference? once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping people Yvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi Yvonne; To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. 2. Arrow down to columns press enter, or just press the letter C, after pressing Alt + V. 3. Arrow down to Subject, now tab down to pixels wide, use your backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number type in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, now tab to okay press enter. To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com Put subscribe in the subject line and send. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten the width of the subject box? thank you Yvonne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday
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hello Mike they are in this order from top to bottom 1 attachments 2 received 3 from 4 subject Yvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi Yvonne; Which 4 items do you have checked when you look at the list of items checked, in which order do they appear? What I mean is, which is 1st or at the top of the list, which is 2nd, 3rd so forth? Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hi mike i have done the same as you and only checked 4 items however for some reason in my inbox some emails show the name of the person/company for instance t a f n then the remainder of the message. then when i open it i read the message and some only have what is mentioned in the subject box and not from the person or company who sent it did use to say from the person/company before i made those adjustments using the check/uncheck method any idea how i can get it back to how it was? thank youYvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list HI Yvonne; As far as the widths of the boxes go, my guess is that Microsoft figures that you only need to see XAmount of information per box. That is why you have the option to make them wider if you need to do so. In the Columns option of the view menu the things that you check will show up as fields / headers in an email. For example; I only have the attachments, From, Subject , Received options checked because that is all I want to see in the email fields. If i had the To, Sent, Size items checked, then an email would show who I sent the email to, what time I sent it, the size of the email. Those are 3 things I don't need to have shown to me. You can experiment with checking unchecking the different items just to see which way you prefer your emails to look. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello Mike this may of done the trick will keep a watch on new email and see if when it reads the subject line if it reads part of the body of the message so far since doing this alteration it has not. so hopefully this has worked. i note that some have the same amount of pixels this being 155. and some have a lower amount which varies as i go from one to the other. and should they not all be the same for example to, from, subject should they not all be 155? and some were checked and a couple were not. i have checked them all. is this a wise thing to do? or will it not make any difference if i check them all and one last thing why are some checked and some unchecked what is the difference? once again thank you for your most valued assistance in things i need to know and of course this group for being what it is and that is helping people Yvonne - Original Message - From: Mike Barbara In Arcadia mb69ma...@charter.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi Yvonne; To shorten the width of your subject line do the following; 1. Press Alt + V, for the view menu. 2. Arrow down to columns press enter, or just press the letter C, after pressing Alt + V. 3. Arrow down to Subject, now tab down to pixels wide, use your backspace key to backspace this number out, after clearing this number type in 400, this is what I keep my subject line at, now tab to okay press enter. To join David's Jaws-Users List click on the link below. jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com Put subscribe in the subject line and send. Hope this helps. Take care. Mike - Original Message - From: yvonne oliver To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list hello David thank you for reply i am with a jaws group but i think i am with the one in the UK so if this is not the one you run that will explain why i never saw anything about the problem that had arisen. i pose one question of which you may be able to help with when i read the subject box it also reads the first and second line of the body of the text how do i shorten
[Blind-Computing] memo to the list
Sorry for the interruption of service on here for several hours for those of you who might not be aware of the trouble on the other list today which caused me to shut down the entire domain for a period of time to cool things off a bit. It's back on at this point. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Folks, I agree as well. The people that manage this list are invaluable and this type of thread should always be in place as the job they are doing is a thankless one but an extremely important one. Robin -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kim Kelly Sent: September 15, 2010 10:34 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I am going to agree with this last post. You three guys are tops! I've learned a lot here as well. many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknone - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I am in full agreement with Jenny's remarks, David. In addition, let me add that I will be retiring in another year or two. When that happens, I'd be happy to help you and Rick with that heavy load. After all, with two Justices on the board, how could anything go wrong? LMAO John justice -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:11 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I am aware of the fact that many people benefit from what goes on here and it is nice that you state that fact, thank you. I only posted my earlier message to clear the air so to speak and to mention that the guys that work with me on here are every bit as important to keeping the doors open as I am. Often times I have to step away for family reasons or what ever and they handle the load without missing a beat. I had to step back about 6 months ago for several weeks and almost nobody noticed because they took the ball and kept everything running smoothly. It's just that once in a while I have to climb up on my soap box because I'm so short just to get my point across. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Jenny Dawson jjdaw...@iinet.net.au To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi David I for one highly value this list and have benifited from the help that I've received. Regards Jenny Dawson -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 7:24 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3132 - Release Date: 09/14/10 14:35:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I agree that this is a great list. I am old, 72 and i don't mind the old talk at all. Thanks for a great list. Nan - Original Message - From: Kim Kelly kim...@clearwire.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I am going to agree with this last post. You three guys are tops! I've learned a lot here as well. many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknone - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3138 - Release Date: 09/16/10 02:34:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi, David, You three guys do such a beautiful job running this list. I've learned so much from everyone on here and I hope I've done my part in contributing to the list. As far as old, I think we can all learn from each other no matter what age we are. Some of the best friends I've had during my lifetime are elderly and I love them dearly. I hope this list never has to be shut down. Keep up the great work you're doing, guys. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: nancyand...@comcast.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I agree that this is a great list. I am old, 72 and i don't mind the old talk at all. Thanks for a great list. Nan - Original Message - From: Kim Kelly kim...@clearwire.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I am going to agree with this last post. You three guys are tops! I've learned a lot here as well. many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknone - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3138 - Release Date: 09/16/10 02:34:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help
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David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I am going to agree with this last post. You three guys are tops! I've learned a lot here as well. many thanks to everyone who has or, is going to help us in the future. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknone - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David: This list is invaluable to me. It has made my experience using JAWS and the computer SOOO much easier! I truly appreciate all the work the three of you do so quietly and efficiently behind the scenes to keep this list running for us. The three of you are awesome! Thank you! Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi David I for one highly value this list and have benifited from the help that I've received. Regards Jenny Dawson -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 7:24 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3132 - Release Date: 09/14/10 14:35:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I am aware of the fact that many people benefit from what goes on here and it is nice that you state that fact, thank you. I only posted my earlier message to clear the air so to speak and to mention that the guys that work with me on here are every bit as important to keeping the doors open as I am. Often times I have to step away for family reasons or what ever and they handle the load without missing a beat. I had to step back about 6 months ago for several weeks and almost nobody noticed because they took the ball and kept everything running smoothly. It's just that once in a while I have to climb up on my soap box because I'm so short just to get my point across. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Jenny Dawson jjdaw...@iinet.net.au To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list Hi David I for one highly value this list and have benifited from the help that I've received. Regards Jenny Dawson -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 7:24 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's another story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3132 - Release Date: 09/14/10 14:35:00 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] memo to the list
This is in regard of the recent thread about some of us being old timers myself included BTW. A couple of us who monitor these lists have been receiving private messages from people complaining about the way things have been handled. Personally my opinion is that it was handled quite well. A young man made what he felt was an innocent comment and he got a lot of flack for it from many of the members on here, again myself included. We left the thread go for a couple of days just to lighten the mood on here but yesterday I decided it was time to shut it down and get back to the purpose of what this list is all about. Now I am getting private messages that the guys are getting complaints that things were heading in a racial or ethnic direction. This I can state for a fact is not, never has been, or never will be an issue on any list I have a hand in monitoring. I can't control private messages any of you might send to each other but so far as what comes over this forum that's an other story. I do this because I feel it is something that needs to be done. People in my opinion need a safe place where they can ask for help without fear of being insulted or criticized for not knowing a particular fact of computing. I started JAWS Users with Bob almost five years ago and Rick joined us about six months later, together the three of us have weathered some pretty big storms again just because we all feel it is something that simply needs to be done. The only thing we get out of it is the satisfaction that we are doing something that is helping out a lot of people or at least we'd like to think so. Honestly there are days when I think that playing electronic golf or enjoying the out side world listening to my Victor Reader seem pretty enticing. Some day we may shut it down although we are not planning on it at the present time. I need Rick and Bob to help me run these lists and if they get tired of doing it I'm not doing them alone, they are just too big. So no more private messages to either of them. I'm the guy who's name is on the door so to speak. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] memo regarding the list being slow
If all goes according to what I am understanding then everything should be resolved over night and we'll start a new month back to our normal delivery in a timely manner. So let's all hope so folks, I am for sure. With luck this business of major delays will be behind us tomorrow. David Ferrin Life is what happens after you've already made other plans. Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
that goes with out saying i don't right much but i have lurn alot thanks guies curtis martin - Original Message - From: Fred Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David, thanks to you and the moderators for all you guys do on the list. I think all of us subscribers really appreciate you guys. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that oversight on my part. First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking about, so please be clear. Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever the message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be something they could help you with. Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people are benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who started out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all of a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people with their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this project. I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Blind-Computing] memo to the list
I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that oversight on my part. First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking about, so please be clear. Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever the message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be something they could help you with. Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people are benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who started out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all of a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people with their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this project. I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
David, thanks to you and the moderators for all you guys do on the list. I think all of us subscribers really appreciate you guys. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that oversight on my part. First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking about, so please be clear. Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever the message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be something they could help you with. Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people are benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who started out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all of a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people with their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this project. I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
That's why we get the big money, ya right. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Fred Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David, thanks to you and the moderators for all you guys do on the list. I think all of us subscribers really appreciate you guys. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that oversight on my part. First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking about, so please be clear. Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever the message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be something they could help you with. Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people are benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who started out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all of a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people with their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this project. I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
I use to say it to my old boss who responded I don't get the big buck Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:16:11 To:blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list That's why we get the big money, ya right. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Fred Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list David, thanks to you and the moderators for all you guys do on the list. I think all of us subscribers really appreciate you guys. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list I have been remiss in posting this so it's time to make up for that oversight on my part. First of all often times folks contact the moderators for help regarding their subscription which in itself is perfectly fine once all other avenues have been explored such as the audio tutorial I did regarding the mailman program. What needs to be kept in mind is that when you ask for help please indicate clearly which list you are referring to. It is for the most part a better practice to use the contact forms on the main page as they will reach all of us at the same time which will improve your chances for prompt help regarding what ever it is you need. Remember I personally maintain ownership status on no less than 3 separate mailing lists and as a result might not know which list it is you're asking about, so please be clear. Also please remember to keep the subject lines indicative of what ever the message that is contained in your email so people won't be deleting your message thinking it doesn't interest them when in fact it might just be something they could help you with. Remember we do this as a hobby because it's something that my team all believe is worth doing, and we will continue so long as we feel people are benefiting from the experience. Personally when I see somebody who started out on here asking for help on each and every little thing and then all of a sudden that same person starts contributing by helping other people with their particular problems I say to myself this is why I started this project. I thank those of you who have helped make this a success and for your continued contributions in what ever form they might happen to be. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com
[Blind-Computing] memo to both list of high importence
I just spoke to my web provider, he told me that the new server should be installed soon although he didn't give me a time table as of yet but he said he would. So what this means for those of you out there is that the web site is going to be down for a while unfortunately until the current situation is finally resolved. The lists are not effected at this time. You'll know more when I know more. David Ferrin Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Blind-Computing] memo to the list
For some reason and I don't really know what it is Rick has left the list leaving me alone here to manage the thing. The reason I am announcing this is because I'm not sure exactly what to do with it as it is growing as quickly as the JAWS Users List, which means a lot of emails in my box every day. I realize it's providing an important resource for a large number of people so I must take that in to consideration before making any decisions regarding it's future. I'm not planning on shutting it down at this time but the fact is for the most part I've been doing most of the management for quite a while now and it's starting to ware on me I must admit. I've been thinking of asking somebody on here to help out and if I do you'll be contacted privately, of course feel free to decline for what ever reason because it can be a thankless job sometimes. That's it for now, more information as it comes across my desk and believe me this is not what I had planned for today obviously. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list
I certainly hope this list continues. Surely, you can find some talented people to assist. Good luck. Sunny Day Maria Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lord, let me be a shining light In all I say and do, That Your great love displayed in me May lead someone to You. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] memo to the list For some reason and I don't really know what it is Rick has left the list leaving me alone here to manage the thing. The reason I am announcing this is because I'm not sure exactly what to do with it as it is growing as quickly as the JAWS Users List, which means a lot of emails in my box every day. I realize it's providing an important resource for a large number of people so I must take that in to consideration before making any decisions regarding it's future. I'm not planning on shutting it down at this time but the fact is for the most part I've been doing most of the management for quite a while now and it's starting to ware on me I must admit. I've been thinking of asking somebody on here to help out and if I do you'll be contacted privately, of course feel free to decline for what ever reason because it can be a thankless job sometimes. That's it for now, more information as it comes across my desk and believe me this is not what I had planned for today obviously. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Blind-Computing] MEMO TO ALL LIST MEMBERS
From this point on, any comments or questions regarding the cel phone topic is to be directed to the management team only. As previously mentioned, only discussion of cel phones as they relate to computers will be allowed. Unless your post fits this criteria, this topic is closed. Richard Justice-list moderator Richard Justice-website ownner www.blind-computing.com Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Ok. I will. watch for the mailman confirmation thingy. SAG : Sarah, I listened to your pod cast and found it very interesting. : Some of : it was a little advanced for me because I don't know how to use : macros, but : I think that program sounds fantastic. To think you can even fix it : to : address an individual by first or last name, as you would normally : address : them. I would like to be put on your notification list, but at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : and thanks. : If you want to reach me by phone and leave a detailed voicemail : message call 773-572-6206 and hit pound as soon as you hear my voice. : Linda : : Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: : http://www.blind-computing.com : Address for the list archives: : http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ : To post to this group, send email to : blind-computing@jaws-users.com : To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the : subject or body of a blank message to: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Use the following form in order to contact the management team : http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php : If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the : following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/blind-computing@jaws-users.com/ To post to this group, send email to blind-computing@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Hi David and Rick, Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws User. Excuse me for not understanding. Lennie At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. smile. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Hi Mich, Consider this: The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists with regard to cross-posting. Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Mich To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do it but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it the other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people just refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing lists. Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette on lists as well. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then copy the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) into the two separate messages - one for each list. 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the message from one email composition for one list into a second email composition
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Cross posting refers to the practice of posting the same message at the same time. An example of this would be sending multiple members of your family a message all at once and not sending each of them an individual message even if it is the same exact message. It messes up some people's message rules and often is off topic for one or more lists that it is being posted on. Another example could be asking on here about window eyes which would be perfectly fine but off topic for the JAWS Users list. David Ferrin - Original Message - From: Lennie Rinaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Hi David and Rick, Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws User. Excuse me for not understanding. Lennie At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. smile. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Hi Mich, Consider this: The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists with regard to cross-posting. Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Mich To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do it but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it the other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people just refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing lists. Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette on lists as well. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we
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Hi I have a question about cross posting. Most of the time I use the respond to sender when replying to messages but sometimes I happen to use the respond to all. So, could this cause me to be cross posting with out knowing it? Also,, I don't think I have done any thing to offend the list managers but just out of curiosity am I in good standing with the list? God bless, Mark God loves you! My ham radio lists. http://lists.topica.com/lists/funhamradio. http://groups.google.com/group/funhamradio-list My personal website http://funhamradio.bloki.com - Original Message - From: Lennie Rinaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Thanks David. I got it now! Keep up the good work. Lennie At 11:00 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: Cross posting refers to the practice of posting the same message at the same time. An example of this would be sending multiple members of your family a message all at once and not sending each of them an individual message even if it is the same exact message. It messes up some people's message rules and often is off topic for one or more lists that it is being posted on. Another example could be asking on here about window eyes which would be perfectly fine but off topic for the JAWS Users list. David Ferrin - Original Message - From: Lennie Rinaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Hi David and Rick, Uh, I must be a little dense. I think that I misinterpreted what cross posting mean. I thought that cross posting meant sending the same Email to both list? Can you please set me straight because I sent a question a little while ago to blind computing and have not received an answer. However, I did not send the same question to Jaws User. Excuse me for not understanding. Lennie At 08:56 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: hi well yes that ist rue. well I will do my best to not cross post then. smile. - Original Message - From: Ricque [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Hi Mich, Consider this: The easiest way, isn't always the best way, or even the right way. Just the same as the best price, isn't necessarily the lowest price. As far as, to each his own, that will not apply to both of these lists with regard to cross-posting. Sometimes, you just gotta change with the times. smile Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Mich To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do it but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it the other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people just refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing
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Oh. it's on the show notes page at http://feeds.feedburner.com/funfilled. I usually do not menchen the websites as i can't pronounced them. lol. SAG :I did check out your pod cast but I don't recall you mentioning a web :site : for this program. Did I just miss it? : David Ferrin : - Original Message - : From: Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com : Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:45 PM : Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST : : : actualy my method does not involve cross posting. Check out the : podcast. I : use it all the time for my weekly anouncement email. : : SAG : : : Just so everybody knows, we've been receiving complaints for : : allowing cross : : posts for as long as we have too. We were discussing it when the : : third party : : rumbling started a while back. : : David Ferrin : : - Original Message - : : From: Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com : : Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM : : Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST : : : : : : Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for : : outlook : : express. I reviewed it on my podcast at : : : http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 : : SAG : : : OK Gang, : : : : : : Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and : : : suggested that : : : we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to : : : each list : : : separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may : : : not realize a : : : convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do : : : just that: : : : : : : 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question : : : and then copy : : : the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) : : : into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( : : : CONTROL + P ) into the : : : two separate messages - one for each list. : : : : : : 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, : : : then using : : : the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to : : : copy the message : : : from one email composition for one list into a second email : : : composition for : : : the second list. : : : : : : Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to : : : both the Blind : : : Computing and JAWS Users list. : : : : : : : : : Bill Gallik : : : E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole : : : cause of all our : : : adversities. : : : - Sophocles : : : - Original Message - : : : From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com : : : Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM : : : Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST : : : : : : : : : All, : : : In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, : : : causing the management team : : : to take a closer look at general list operation. : : : A couple of items have come to the attention of the management : : : team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and : : : jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, : : : will get this twice since it will : : : be posted to both : : : lists. : : : 1. Cross-posting : : : Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the : : : list has : : : increased. : : : We need to bring this method of posting to an end. : : : Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list : : : etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it : : : causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness : : : on the part of the : : : poster. : : : This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message : : : rules in their : : : e-mail client. : : : This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and : : : discourteous to : : : others. : : : Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to : : : accomodate those : : : who won't take an extra : : : minute or so to post in a proper manner. : : : Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and : : : actually serves to : : : slow the overall : : : performance of the list. : : : If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then : : : it should be : : : done on an individual : : : message basis. : : : I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I : : : will post the : : : same question to : : : several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. : : : If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, : : : then post your question to the list that is most appropriate : : : for it. If you don't recieve an answer, then you can : : : figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: : : : Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the : : : person that has : : : an answer hasn't read : : : the message yet. : : : If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for : : : example jaws-users.com, : : : Then post your question to a more
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OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then copy the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) into the two separate messages - one for each list. 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the message from one email composition for one list into a second email composition for the second list. Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the Blind Computing and JAWS Users list. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles - Original Message - From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client. This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to others. Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate those who won't take an extra minute or so to post in a proper manner. Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves to slow the overall performance of the list. If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be done on an individual message basis. I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post the same question to several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. If you don't recieve an answer, then you can figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that has an answer hasn't read the message yet. If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example jaws-users.com, Then post your question to a more generalized list such as blind-computing.com. There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: www.blind-computing.com that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list information. Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay to post the message, saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the action. Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only one consideration, and that is themselves. Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of urgency for an answer to a problem, but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your question, you should be getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a say in how your request is handled. Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all computing skills, and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed at personal computing, then, there should be less of a sense of urgency. Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. So, we all need to be patient. Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving of help than another. David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will be added to the list guidelines, at the earliest possible time. 2. File Requests. Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from within the membership. And we want to encourage this to continue. We will be working on a better system of file distribution, so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the management team so that we can
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o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing lists. Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette on lists as well. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then copy the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) into the two separate messages - one for each list. 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the message from one email composition for one list into a second email composition for the second list. Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the Blind Computing and JAWS Users list. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles - Original Message - From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client. This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to others. Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate those who won't take an extra minute or so to post in a proper manner. Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves to slow the overall performance of the list. If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be done on an individual message basis. I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post the same question to several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. If you don't recieve an answer, then you can figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person that has an answer hasn't read the message yet
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That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people just refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing lists. Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette on lists as well. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then copy the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) into the two separate messages - one for each list. 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the message from one email composition for one list into a second email composition for the second list. Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the Blind Computing and JAWS Users list. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles - Original Message - From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client. This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to others. Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate those who won't take an extra minute or so to post in a proper manner. Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves to slow the overall performance of the list. If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be done on an individual message basis. I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will post the same question to several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. If you are subscribed to several lists
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I would think that's the same. If it was me,I would send it to one list for about 1 or 2 days,then with that time more people would have read the message have enough time to send a reply. But that's me. PEACE John Carvalho - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing lists. Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette on lists as well. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then copy the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) into the two separate messages - one for each list. 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the message from one email composition for one list into a second email composition for the second list. Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the Blind Computing and JAWS Users list. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles - Original Message - From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client. This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous to others. Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate those who won't take an extra minute or so to post in a proper manner. Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually serves to slow the overall performance of the list. If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should be done on an individual message basis. I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I
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ah ok. well I can sertenley understand that it would be a good way to do it but on the other hand I can also understand how cross posting would be a little easier for a lot of people. Even though it is not good edickit and all that I can sertenley see how it could be a lot easier then doing it the other way but to each there own. well many thanks as always rick for clearing up things. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is the way to do it, it takes a few extra seconds and most people just refuse to do it because it's not convenient for them. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was meant by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and write the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing and then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board and then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the jaws users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the blind computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your reply. from Mich Verrier. - Original Message - From: Rick Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing lists. Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad etiquette on lists as well. Rick - Original Message - From: Mich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message and go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put the address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to both lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. That is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST OK Gang, Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested that we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each list separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not realize a convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then copy the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) into the two separate messages - one for each list. 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then using the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the message from one email composition for one list into a second email composition for the second list. Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the Blind Computing and JAWS Users list. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles - Original Message - From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST All, In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the management team to take a closer look at general list operation. A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it will be posted to both lists. 1. Cross-posting Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has increased. We need to bring this method of posting to an end. Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the poster. This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in their e-mail client
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Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook express. I reviewed it on my podcast at http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 SAG : OK Gang, : : Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and : suggested that : we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each : list : separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not : realize a : convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just : that: : : 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and : then copy : the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the : clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) : into the : two separate messages - one for each list. : : 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then : using : the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the : message : from one email composition for one list into a second email : composition for : the second list. : : Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both : the Blind : Computing and JAWS Users list. : : : Bill Gallik : E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of : all our : adversities. : - Sophocles : - Original Message - : From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com : Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM : Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST : : : All, : In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the : management team : to take a closer look at general list operation. : A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team : and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. : Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since : it will : be posted to both : lists. : 1. Cross-posting : Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list : has : increased. : We need to bring this method of posting to an end. : Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, : it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. : Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part : of the : poster. : This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules : in their : e-mail client. : This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and : discourteous to : others. : Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to : accomodate those : who won't take an extra : minute or so to post in a proper manner. : Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually : serves to : slow the overall : performance of the list. : If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it : should be : done on an individual : message basis. : I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will : post the : same question to : several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. : If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then : post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. : If you don't recieve an answer, then you can : figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: : Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person : that has : an answer hasn't read : the message yet. : If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example : jaws-users.com, : Then post your question to a more generalized list such as : blind-computing.com. : There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: : www.blind-computing.com : that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail : list : information. : Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it : okay to : post the message, : saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the : action. : Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only : one : consideration, and that is : themselves. : Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. : For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of : urgency : for an answer to a : problem, : but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to : your : question, you should be : getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of : a say in : how your request is : handled. : Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all : computing : skills, : and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. : If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are : aimed at : personal computing, then, : there should be less of a sense of urgency. : Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. : So, we all need to be patient. : Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more : deserving of : help than another. : David and I will work
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Hi Sarah, Thanks for the info, I'll go have listen. Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com - Original Message - From: Sarah To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook express. I reviewed it on my podcast at http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 SAG : OK Gang, : : Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and : suggested that : we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each : list : separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not : realize a : convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just : that: : : 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and : then copy : the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the : clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) : into the : two separate messages - one for each list. : : 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then : using : the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the : message : from one email composition for one list into a second email : composition for : the second list. : : Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both : the Blind : Computing and JAWS Users list. : : : Bill Gallik : E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of : all our : adversities. : - Sophocles : - Original Message - : From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com : Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM : Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST : : : All, : In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the : management team : to take a closer look at general list operation. : A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team : and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. : Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since : it will : be posted to both : lists. : 1. Cross-posting : Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list : has : increased. : We need to bring this method of posting to an end. : Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, : it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. : Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part : of the : poster. : This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules : in their : e-mail client. : This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and : discourteous to : others. : Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to : accomodate those : who won't take an extra : minute or so to post in a proper manner. : Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually : serves to : slow the overall : performance of the list. : If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it : should be : done on an individual : message basis. : I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will : post the : same question to : several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. : If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then : post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. : If you don't recieve an answer, then you can : figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: : Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person : that has : an answer hasn't read : the message yet. : If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example : jaws-users.com, : Then post your question to a more generalized list such as : blind-computing.com. : There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: : www.blind-computing.com : that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail : list : information. : Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it : okay to : post the message, : saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the : action. : Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only : one : consideration, and that is : themselves. : Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. : For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of : urgency : for an answer to a : problem, : but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to : your : question, you should be : getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of : a say in : how your request is : handled. : Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all : computing : skills, : and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. : If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are : aimed at : personal computing, then, : there should
Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Just so everybody knows, we've been receiving complaints for allowing cross posts for as long as we have too. We were discussing it when the third party rumbling started a while back. David Ferrin - Original Message - From: Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST Or you can do what i do and ue a tool called send personally for outlook express. I reviewed it on my podcast at http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FunFilled/~5/125260871/a_brief_look_at_send_personally_for_OE.mp3 SAG : OK Gang, : : Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and : suggested that : we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each : list : separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not : realize a : convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just : that: : : 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and : then copy : the entire contents of that text session ( CONTROL + A ) into the : clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( CONTROL + P ) : into the : two separate messages - one for each list. : : 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then : using : the CONTROL+A (copy all) and CONTROL+P commands to copy the : message : from one email composition for one list into a second email : composition for : the second list. : : Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both : the Blind : Computing and JAWS Users list. : : : Bill Gallik : E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : - The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of : all our : adversities. : - Sophocles : - Original Message - : From: Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: blind-computing blind-computing@jaws-users.com : Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM : Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST : : : All, : In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the : management team : to take a closer look at general list operation. : A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team : and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. : Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since : it will : be posted to both : lists. : 1. Cross-posting : Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list : has : increased. : We need to bring this method of posting to an end. : Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, : it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. : Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part : of the : poster. : This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules : in their : e-mail client. : This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and : discourteous to : others. : Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to : accomodate those : who won't take an extra : minute or so to post in a proper manner. : Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually : serves to : slow the overall : performance of the list. : If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it : should be : done on an individual : message basis. : I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will : post the : same question to : several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. : If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then : post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. : If you don't recieve an answer, then you can : figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: : Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person : that has : an answer hasn't read : the message yet. : If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example : jaws-users.com, : Then post your question to a more generalized list such as : blind-computing.com. : There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: : www.blind-computing.com : that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail : list : information. : Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it : okay to : post the message, : saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the : action. : Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only : one : consideration, and that is : themselves. : Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. : For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of : urgency : for an answer to a : problem, : but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to : your : question, you should be : getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of : a say in : how your request is : handled. : Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all : computing : skills, : and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer
