Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection

2010-12-31 Thread Lennie

Hi John,

Thanks for that information about Spyware Blaster. It's comforting to 
know that I can still use it with MSE.


Again, thanks and take care.

Lennie

At 04:35 PM 12/30/2010, you wrote:
Spyware Blaster does not run in the background.  All it does is 
establish a list of prohibited websites in your browser.  This 
prevents your browser from accessing these sites, thus protecting 
your computer from their malicious content.  The only time Spyware 
Blaster is running, is when you run it to update the list of nasty sites.


John

- Original Message - From: "Lennie" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection



Hi Jackie,

Thanks for the explanation. That was great!

However, I still have one question. Would you consider Spyware 
Blaster to be running real time? I do believe that it is always 
running in the background and there is no way to do a scan of any 
type. It is supposed to monitor spywares while you are on the 
Internet. What do you think?


Thanks in advance for any enlightenments. Take care.

Lennie

At 12:19 AM 12/28/2010, you wrote:

Mike, u wrote:
Hi Jackie;

I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials & Super
Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the 2?
Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time & not the other or, run both in Real
Time?

Mike, much depends on what the 2 programs do. Let me give a bit of
background, & then perhaps, by way of that, address your question.

In the not so very distant past, spyware & viruses were pretty much
distinct entities, & the programs designed to protect the computer
from each did quite different things. Antivirus programs tended to
look for what's called "file signatures", e.g., certain strings in
files that were suggestive of a virus, while antispyware programs
tended to monitor things like registry changes, where the browser was
being taken to, etc. That's fairly oversimplified, but the crux was
that 1 antivirus & 1 antispyware program could generally run together
in realtime w/o conflict.

Malware has, unfortunately, become much more sophisticated. Viruses
drop trojans which create a backdoor into your computer & allow all
kinds of information to be passed to some1, e.g., spyware. Thus, the
distinction between viruses & spyware--& other types of malware, for
that matter--have blurred considerably over the past few years. The
result is that antivirus programs have evolved to become
antivirus/antispyware programs, trying to become, as it were, all
protection for all malware, all things to all people, etc.

The answer to your question is that it really depends on what the
programs do. If the antivirus program confines itself to looking for
file signatures, etc., while the antispyware program monitors registry
changes & browser redirects, then it's probably safe. If, on the other
hand, the 2 programs monitor for similar things, then conflict can &
does result. The problem further arises when both try to quarantine
something at the same time, obviously, & it is for this reason that
malware experts suggest running only 1 realtime security suite type
program, e.g., antivirus/antispyware program, at any given time. What
I personally do is to run my antivirus/antispyware program (Avast) in
realtime. Then I scan w/Superantispyware or MalwareBytes weekly or so,
just to get rid of tracking cookies & other annoying nasties that may
have popped up. BTW, 1 thing that can really help keep the bugs in
check is to simply delete your temporary internet files often--lots &
lots of crap-ola gets in there.

So what I personally would do would be to run Microsoft Security
Essentials in realtime, & let SAS be an on-demand scanner. I know some
listers have run both w/o difficulty, but I can't help wondering what
would happen if both try to quarantine the same threat--neither 1
might win & your protection may well be compromised. I remember
getting this as a first exercise of my malware removal training, &
this is pretty much how I answered it then, too, & passed, so
hopefully it'll suffice.

I hope I've made myself sufficiently clear, & invite further queries
if I haven't.

Blessings for a wonderful holiday season.

On 12/27/10, Mike & Barbara In Arcadia  wrote:
> Hi Jackie;
>
> I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier 
today.  There > was a

> discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security
Essentials & Super
> Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
> opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you
run the 2?
> Meaning, would you run 1 i

Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection

2010-12-30 Thread John M.
Spyware Blaster does not run in the background.  All it does is establish a 
list of prohibited websites in your browser.  This prevents your browser 
from accessing these sites, thus protecting your computer from their 
malicious content.  The only time Spyware Blaster is running, is when you 
run it to update the list of nasty sites.


John

- Original Message - 
From: "Lennie" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection



Hi Jackie,

Thanks for the explanation. That was great!

However, I still have one question. Would you consider Spyware Blaster to 
be running real time? I do believe that it is always running in the 
background and there is no way to do a scan of any type. It is supposed to 
monitor spywares while you are on the Internet. What do you think?


Thanks in advance for any enlightenments. Take care.

Lennie

At 12:19 AM 12/28/2010, you wrote:

Mike, u wrote:
Hi Jackie;

I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials & 
Super

Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the 
2?

Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time & not the other or, run both in Real
Time?

Mike, much depends on what the 2 programs do. Let me give a bit of
background, & then perhaps, by way of that, address your question.

In the not so very distant past, spyware & viruses were pretty much
distinct entities, & the programs designed to protect the computer
from each did quite different things. Antivirus programs tended to
look for what's called "file signatures", e.g., certain strings in
files that were suggestive of a virus, while antispyware programs
tended to monitor things like registry changes, where the browser was
being taken to, etc. That's fairly oversimplified, but the crux was
that 1 antivirus & 1 antispyware program could generally run together
in realtime w/o conflict.

Malware has, unfortunately, become much more sophisticated. Viruses
drop trojans which create a backdoor into your computer & allow all
kinds of information to be passed to some1, e.g., spyware. Thus, the
distinction between viruses & spyware--& other types of malware, for
that matter--have blurred considerably over the past few years. The
result is that antivirus programs have evolved to become
antivirus/antispyware programs, trying to become, as it were, all
protection for all malware, all things to all people, etc.

The answer to your question is that it really depends on what the
programs do. If the antivirus program confines itself to looking for
file signatures, etc., while the antispyware program monitors registry
changes & browser redirects, then it's probably safe. If, on the other
hand, the 2 programs monitor for similar things, then conflict can &
does result. The problem further arises when both try to quarantine
something at the same time, obviously, & it is for this reason that
malware experts suggest running only 1 realtime security suite type
program, e.g., antivirus/antispyware program, at any given time. What
I personally do is to run my antivirus/antispyware program (Avast) in
realtime. Then I scan w/Superantispyware or MalwareBytes weekly or so,
just to get rid of tracking cookies & other annoying nasties that may
have popped up. BTW, 1 thing that can really help keep the bugs in
check is to simply delete your temporary internet files often--lots &
lots of crap-ola gets in there.

So what I personally would do would be to run Microsoft Security
Essentials in realtime, & let SAS be an on-demand scanner. I know some
listers have run both w/o difficulty, but I can't help wondering what
would happen if both try to quarantine the same threat--neither 1
might win & your protection may well be compromised. I remember
getting this as a first exercise of my malware removal training, &
this is pretty much how I answered it then, too, & passed, so
hopefully it'll suffice.

I hope I've made myself sufficiently clear, & invite further queries
if I haven't.

Blessings for a wonderful holiday season.

On 12/27/10, Mike & Barbara In Arcadia  wrote:
> Hi Jackie;
>
> I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There 
> was a

> discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security
Essentials & Super
> Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
> opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you
run the 2?
> Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time & not the other or, run both in 
> Real
> Time?  Personally I am not a heavy user of the Internet except for 
> emailing
> and would like to hear a professional opinion on

Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection

2010-12-30 Thread Lennie

Hi Jackie,

Thanks for the explanation. That was great!

However, I still have one question. Would you consider Spyware 
Blaster to be running real time? I do believe that it is always 
running in the background and there is no way to do a scan of any 
type. It is supposed to monitor spywares while you are on the 
Internet. What do you think?


Thanks in advance for any enlightenments. Take care.

Lennie

At 12:19 AM 12/28/2010, you wrote:

Mike, u wrote:
Hi Jackie;

I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials & Super
Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the 2?
Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time & not the other or, run both in Real
Time?

Mike, much depends on what the 2 programs do. Let me give a bit of
background, & then perhaps, by way of that, address your question.

In the not so very distant past, spyware & viruses were pretty much
distinct entities, & the programs designed to protect the computer
from each did quite different things. Antivirus programs tended to
look for what's called "file signatures", e.g., certain strings in
files that were suggestive of a virus, while antispyware programs
tended to monitor things like registry changes, where the browser was
being taken to, etc. That's fairly oversimplified, but the crux was
that 1 antivirus & 1 antispyware program could generally run together
in realtime w/o conflict.

Malware has, unfortunately, become much more sophisticated. Viruses
drop trojans which create a backdoor into your computer & allow all
kinds of information to be passed to some1, e.g., spyware. Thus, the
distinction between viruses & spyware--& other types of malware, for
that matter--have blurred considerably over the past few years. The
result is that antivirus programs have evolved to become
antivirus/antispyware programs, trying to become, as it were, all
protection for all malware, all things to all people, etc.

The answer to your question is that it really depends on what the
programs do. If the antivirus program confines itself to looking for
file signatures, etc., while the antispyware program monitors registry
changes & browser redirects, then it's probably safe. If, on the other
hand, the 2 programs monitor for similar things, then conflict can &
does result. The problem further arises when both try to quarantine
something at the same time, obviously, & it is for this reason that
malware experts suggest running only 1 realtime security suite type
program, e.g., antivirus/antispyware program, at any given time. What
I personally do is to run my antivirus/antispyware program (Avast) in
realtime. Then I scan w/Superantispyware or MalwareBytes weekly or so,
just to get rid of tracking cookies & other annoying nasties that may
have popped up. BTW, 1 thing that can really help keep the bugs in
check is to simply delete your temporary internet files often--lots &
lots of crap-ola gets in there.

So what I personally would do would be to run Microsoft Security
Essentials in realtime, & let SAS be an on-demand scanner. I know some
listers have run both w/o difficulty, but I can't help wondering what
would happen if both try to quarantine the same threat--neither 1
might win & your protection may well be compromised. I remember
getting this as a first exercise of my malware removal training, &
this is pretty much how I answered it then, too, & passed, so
hopefully it'll suffice.

I hope I've made myself sufficiently clear, & invite further queries
if I haven't.

Blessings for a wonderful holiday season.

On 12/27/10, Mike & Barbara In Arcadia  wrote:
> Hi Jackie;
>
> I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
> discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security 
Essentials & Super

> Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
> opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you 
run the 2?

> Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time & not the other or, run both in Real
> Time?  Personally I am not a heavy user of the Internet except for emailing
> and would like to hear a professional opinion on what the pros & cons might
> be.  I am not trying to discredit any of the ideas/opinions of others that
> contributed to this topic earlier but, as a amateur computer user 
and having

> learned most of what I've learned via trial & error, & lists' like this, I
> would like to hear from someone who deals with this type of issue on a
> professional basis.  All advice/information will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks much.  Take care.
> Mike
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Jackie McBride
>   To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
>   Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 7:56 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] removing a virus
>
>
>   Andre, if I were working in the environment your nephew is working

Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection

2010-12-28 Thread Janie Degenshein

Not only Matthew
You give a wonderful series of explanations that I find very helpful
Thanks for your knowledge
Keep Smiling,
Janie Degenshein

Access Tech Consultant
Facilitator of ECHO
Co-host of OTBS On The Bright Side
www.thruoureyes.org/brightside.html
jdege...@comcast.net
-Original Message- 
From: Jackie McBride

Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 11:49 AM
To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection

Glad u found my explanations helpful, Matthew.

On 12/28/10, matthew  wrote:


Thank you for
that helpful information Jackie. I planned on doing what you said when
others mentioned something similar. Your detailed explanation helped a 
lot.


On 12/27/2010 11:19 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:

Mike, u wrote:
Hi Jackie;

I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was 
a

discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials&
Super
Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the
2?
Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time&  not the other or, run both in 
Real

Time?

Mike, much depends on what the 2 programs do. Let me give a bit of
background,&  then perhaps, by way of that, address your question.

In the not so very distant past, spyware&  viruses were pretty much
distinct entities,&  the programs designed to protect the computer
from each did quite different things. Antivirus programs tended to
look for what's called "file signatures", e.g., certain strings in
files that were suggestive of a virus, while antispyware programs
tended to monitor things like registry changes, where the browser was
being taken to, etc. That's fairly oversimplified, but the crux was
that 1 antivirus&  1 antispyware program could generally run together
in realtime w/o conflict.

Malware has, unfortunately, become much more sophisticated. Viruses
drop trojans which create a backdoor into your computer&  allow all
kinds of information to be passed to some1, e.g., spyware. Thus, the
distinction between viruses&  spyware--&  other types of malware, for
that matter--have blurred considerably over the past few years. The
result is that antivirus programs have evolved to become
antivirus/antispyware programs, trying to become, as it were, all
protection for all malware, all things to all people, etc.

The answer to your question is that it really depends on what the
programs do. If the antivirus program confines itself to looking for
file signatures, etc., while the antispyware program monitors registry
changes&  browser redirects, then it's probably safe. If, on the other
hand, the 2 programs monitor for similar things, then conflict can&
does result. The problem further arises when both try to quarantine
something at the same time, obviously,&  it is for this reason that
malware experts suggest running only 1 realtime security suite type
program, e.g., antivirus/antispyware program, at any given time. What
I personally do is to run my antivirus/antispyware program (Avast) in
realtime. Then I scan w/Superantispyware or MalwareBytes weekly or so,
just to get rid of tracking cookies&  other annoying nasties that may
have popped up. BTW, 1 thing that can really help keep the bugs in
check is to simply delete your temporary internet files often--lots&
lots of crap-ola gets in there.

So what I personally would do would be to run Microsoft Security
Essentials in realtime,&  let SAS be an on-demand scanner. I know some
listers have run both w/o difficulty, but I can't help wondering what
would happen if both try to quarantine the same threat--neither 1
might win&  your protection may well be compromised. I remember
getting this as a first exercise of my malware removal training,&
this is pretty much how I answered it then, too,&  passed, so
hopefully it'll suffice.

I hope I've made myself sufficiently clear,&  invite further queries
if I haven't.

Blessings for a wonderful holiday season.

On 12/27/10, Mike&  Barbara In Arcadia  wrote:

Hi Jackie;

I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was
a
discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials&
Super
Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run 
the

2?
Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time&  not the other or, run both in
Real
Time?  Personally I am not a heavy user of the Internet except for
emailing
and would like to hear a professional opinion on what the pros&  cons
might
be.  I am not trying to discredit any of the ideas/opinions of others
that
contributed to this topic earlier but, as a amateur computer user and
having
learned most of what I've learned via trial&  error,&  lists&#x

Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection

2010-12-28 Thread Jackie McBride
Glad u found my explanations helpful, Matthew.

On 12/28/10, matthew  wrote:
>
> Thank you for
> that helpful information Jackie. I planned on doing what you said when
> others mentioned something similar. Your detailed explanation helped a lot.
>
> On 12/27/2010 11:19 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:
>> Mike, u wrote:
>> Hi Jackie;
>>
>> I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
>> discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials&
>> Super
>> Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
>> opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the
>> 2?
>> Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time&  not the other or, run both in Real
>> Time?
>>
>> Mike, much depends on what the 2 programs do. Let me give a bit of
>> background,&  then perhaps, by way of that, address your question.
>>
>> In the not so very distant past, spyware&  viruses were pretty much
>> distinct entities,&  the programs designed to protect the computer
>> from each did quite different things. Antivirus programs tended to
>> look for what's called "file signatures", e.g., certain strings in
>> files that were suggestive of a virus, while antispyware programs
>> tended to monitor things like registry changes, where the browser was
>> being taken to, etc. That's fairly oversimplified, but the crux was
>> that 1 antivirus&  1 antispyware program could generally run together
>> in realtime w/o conflict.
>>
>> Malware has, unfortunately, become much more sophisticated. Viruses
>> drop trojans which create a backdoor into your computer&  allow all
>> kinds of information to be passed to some1, e.g., spyware. Thus, the
>> distinction between viruses&  spyware--&  other types of malware, for
>> that matter--have blurred considerably over the past few years. The
>> result is that antivirus programs have evolved to become
>> antivirus/antispyware programs, trying to become, as it were, all
>> protection for all malware, all things to all people, etc.
>>
>> The answer to your question is that it really depends on what the
>> programs do. If the antivirus program confines itself to looking for
>> file signatures, etc., while the antispyware program monitors registry
>> changes&  browser redirects, then it's probably safe. If, on the other
>> hand, the 2 programs monitor for similar things, then conflict can&
>> does result. The problem further arises when both try to quarantine
>> something at the same time, obviously,&  it is for this reason that
>> malware experts suggest running only 1 realtime security suite type
>> program, e.g., antivirus/antispyware program, at any given time. What
>> I personally do is to run my antivirus/antispyware program (Avast) in
>> realtime. Then I scan w/Superantispyware or MalwareBytes weekly or so,
>> just to get rid of tracking cookies&  other annoying nasties that may
>> have popped up. BTW, 1 thing that can really help keep the bugs in
>> check is to simply delete your temporary internet files often--lots&
>> lots of crap-ola gets in there.
>>
>> So what I personally would do would be to run Microsoft Security
>> Essentials in realtime,&  let SAS be an on-demand scanner. I know some
>> listers have run both w/o difficulty, but I can't help wondering what
>> would happen if both try to quarantine the same threat--neither 1
>> might win&  your protection may well be compromised. I remember
>> getting this as a first exercise of my malware removal training,&
>> this is pretty much how I answered it then, too,&  passed, so
>> hopefully it'll suffice.
>>
>> I hope I've made myself sufficiently clear,&  invite further queries
>> if I haven't.
>>
>> Blessings for a wonderful holiday season.
>>
>> On 12/27/10, Mike&  Barbara In Arcadia  wrote:
>>> Hi Jackie;
>>>
>>> I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was
>>> a
>>> discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials&
>>> Super
>>> Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
>>> opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the
>>> 2?
>>> Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time&  not the other or, run both in
>>> Real
>>> Time?  Personally I am not a heavy user of the Internet except for
>>> emailing
>>> and would like to hear a professional opinion on what the pros&  cons
>>> might
>>> be.  I am not trying to discredit any of the ideas/opinions of others
>>> that
>>> contributed to this topic earlier but, as a amateur computer user and
>>> having
>>> learned most of what I've learned via trial&  error,&  lists' like this,
>>> I
>>> would like to hear from someone who deals with this type of issue on a
>>> professional basis.  All advice/information will be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks much.  Take care.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: Jackie McBride
>>>To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
>>>Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 7:56 PM
>>>Subject: Re

Re: [Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection

2010-12-28 Thread matthew


Thank you for
that helpful information Jackie. I planned on doing what you said when 
others mentioned something similar. Your detailed explanation helped a lot.


On 12/27/2010 11:19 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:

Mike, u wrote:
Hi Jackie;

I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials&  Super
Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the 2?
Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time&  not the other or, run both in Real
Time?

Mike, much depends on what the 2 programs do. Let me give a bit of
background,&  then perhaps, by way of that, address your question.

In the not so very distant past, spyware&  viruses were pretty much
distinct entities,&  the programs designed to protect the computer
from each did quite different things. Antivirus programs tended to
look for what's called "file signatures", e.g., certain strings in
files that were suggestive of a virus, while antispyware programs
tended to monitor things like registry changes, where the browser was
being taken to, etc. That's fairly oversimplified, but the crux was
that 1 antivirus&  1 antispyware program could generally run together
in realtime w/o conflict.

Malware has, unfortunately, become much more sophisticated. Viruses
drop trojans which create a backdoor into your computer&  allow all
kinds of information to be passed to some1, e.g., spyware. Thus, the
distinction between viruses&  spyware--&  other types of malware, for
that matter--have blurred considerably over the past few years. The
result is that antivirus programs have evolved to become
antivirus/antispyware programs, trying to become, as it were, all
protection for all malware, all things to all people, etc.

The answer to your question is that it really depends on what the
programs do. If the antivirus program confines itself to looking for
file signatures, etc., while the antispyware program monitors registry
changes&  browser redirects, then it's probably safe. If, on the other
hand, the 2 programs monitor for similar things, then conflict can&
does result. The problem further arises when both try to quarantine
something at the same time, obviously,&  it is for this reason that
malware experts suggest running only 1 realtime security suite type
program, e.g., antivirus/antispyware program, at any given time. What
I personally do is to run my antivirus/antispyware program (Avast) in
realtime. Then I scan w/Superantispyware or MalwareBytes weekly or so,
just to get rid of tracking cookies&  other annoying nasties that may
have popped up. BTW, 1 thing that can really help keep the bugs in
check is to simply delete your temporary internet files often--lots&
lots of crap-ola gets in there.

So what I personally would do would be to run Microsoft Security
Essentials in realtime,&  let SAS be an on-demand scanner. I know some
listers have run both w/o difficulty, but I can't help wondering what
would happen if both try to quarantine the same threat--neither 1
might win&  your protection may well be compromised. I remember
getting this as a first exercise of my malware removal training,&
this is pretty much how I answered it then, too,&  passed, so
hopefully it'll suffice.

I hope I've made myself sufficiently clear,&  invite further queries
if I haven't.

Blessings for a wonderful holiday season.

On 12/27/10, Mike&  Barbara In Arcadia  wrote:

Hi Jackie;

I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials&  Super
Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the 2?
Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time&  not the other or, run both in Real
Time?  Personally I am not a heavy user of the Internet except for emailing
and would like to hear a professional opinion on what the pros&  cons might
be.  I am not trying to discredit any of the ideas/opinions of others that
contributed to this topic earlier but, as a amateur computer user and having
learned most of what I've learned via trial&  error,&  lists' like this, I
would like to hear from someone who deals with this type of issue on a
professional basis.  All advice/information will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks much.  Take care.
Mike

   - Original Message -
   From: Jackie McBride
   To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
   Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 7:56 PM
   Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] removing a virus


   Andre, if I were working in the environment your nephew is working in,
   I'd do it that way as well. But u&  I both know that most residential
   &  soho customers do not walk around w/recent images of their OS or
   even backups of their data on a thumb or even an external drive.&
   it's not possible for us to have clean installation discs o

[Blind-Computing] realtime antivirus & antispyware protection

2010-12-27 Thread Jackie McBride
Mike, u wrote:
Hi Jackie;

I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials & Super
Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the 2?
Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time & not the other or, run both in Real
Time?

Mike, much depends on what the 2 programs do. Let me give a bit of
background, & then perhaps, by way of that, address your question.

In the not so very distant past, spyware & viruses were pretty much
distinct entities, & the programs designed to protect the computer
from each did quite different things. Antivirus programs tended to
look for what's called "file signatures", e.g., certain strings in
files that were suggestive of a virus, while antispyware programs
tended to monitor things like registry changes, where the browser was
being taken to, etc. That's fairly oversimplified, but the crux was
that 1 antivirus & 1 antispyware program could generally run together
in realtime w/o conflict.

Malware has, unfortunately, become much more sophisticated. Viruses
drop trojans which create a backdoor into your computer & allow all
kinds of information to be passed to some1, e.g., spyware. Thus, the
distinction between viruses & spyware--& other types of malware, for
that matter--have blurred considerably over the past few years. The
result is that antivirus programs have evolved to become
antivirus/antispyware programs, trying to become, as it were, all
protection for all malware, all things to all people, etc.

The answer to your question is that it really depends on what the
programs do. If the antivirus program confines itself to looking for
file signatures, etc., while the antispyware program monitors registry
changes & browser redirects, then it's probably safe. If, on the other
hand, the 2 programs monitor for similar things, then conflict can &
does result. The problem further arises when both try to quarantine
something at the same time, obviously, & it is for this reason that
malware experts suggest running only 1 realtime security suite type
program, e.g., antivirus/antispyware program, at any given time. What
I personally do is to run my antivirus/antispyware program (Avast) in
realtime. Then I scan w/Superantispyware or MalwareBytes weekly or so,
just to get rid of tracking cookies & other annoying nasties that may
have popped up. BTW, 1 thing that can really help keep the bugs in
check is to simply delete your temporary internet files often--lots &
lots of crap-ola gets in there.

So what I personally would do would be to run Microsoft Security
Essentials in realtime, & let SAS be an on-demand scanner. I know some
listers have run both w/o difficulty, but I can't help wondering what
would happen if both try to quarantine the same threat--neither 1
might win & your protection may well be compromised. I remember
getting this as a first exercise of my malware removal training, &
this is pretty much how I answered it then, too, & passed, so
hopefully it'll suffice.

I hope I've made myself sufficiently clear, & invite further queries
if I haven't.

Blessings for a wonderful holiday season.

On 12/27/10, Mike & Barbara In Arcadia  wrote:
> Hi Jackie;
>
> I am going to take this topic back to one from earlier today.  There was a
> discussion about whether or not to run Microsoft Security Essentials & Super
> Anti Spyware in Real Time  mode at the same time.  In your professional
> opinion, if you were running both of these programs how would you run the 2?
> Meaning, would you run 1 in Real Time & not the other or, run both in Real
> Time?  Personally I am not a heavy user of the Internet except for emailing
> and would like to hear a professional opinion on what the pros & cons might
> be.  I am not trying to discredit any of the ideas/opinions of others that
> contributed to this topic earlier but, as a amateur computer user and having
> learned most of what I've learned via trial & error, & lists' like this, I
> would like to hear from someone who deals with this type of issue on a
> professional basis.  All advice/information will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks much.  Take care.
> Mike
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Jackie McBride
>   To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com
>   Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 7:56 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] removing a virus
>
>
>   Andre, if I were working in the environment your nephew is working in,
>   I'd do it that way as well. But u & I both know that most residential
>   & soho customers do not walk around w/recent images of their OS or
>   even backups of their data on a thumb or even an external drive. &
>   it's not possible for us to have clean installation discs of all
>   windows versions, never mind trying to use Magic Jellybean or some
>   such to retrieve the key, cuz half the folks lost their restore discs.
>   & then there