Re: [BlindHandyMan] Removing Mold
Aloha Donnie, I didn't see an answer to your question about the mold on your carry-bag, but maybe I just missed it. I've used vinegar to spot clean leather, but usually use a leather cleaner. There are lots of them out there. The reality is, that even though you get the mold off, if the bag is not stored out of moisture, it will come back. Saddle soap is an option, but again it only gets the mold off the surface. Good luck, Betsy At 05:23 PM 9/25/2009, you wrote: I do a little ventriloquism in my spare time and the leather case that I keep my little partner in is starting to get some pretty bad moldy looking stains on it. What would you guys recommend I could use to get this off? Thanks, Donnie Clyde ~ Please join us on Skype Monday thru Friday at 8:00 EST for our Morning Skype Prayer Time. Also, follow my tweets on Twitter @ http://twitter.com/Donnie1261http://twitter.com/Donnie1261 Contact Me At: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, Kentucky 40402 Home Phone: 606-364-3321 Church Phone: 606-364-PRAY Skype Name: Donnie1261 Email: mailto:deparrett%40prtcnet.orgdeparr...@prtcnet.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Removing Mold
Thanks. ~ Please join us on Skype Monday thru Friday at 8:00 EST for our Morning Skype Prayer Time. Also, follow my tweets on Twitter @ http://twitter.com/Donnie1261 Contact Me At: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, Kentucky 40402 Home Phone: 606-364-3321 Church Phone: 606-364-PRAY Skype Name: Donnie1261 Email: deparr...@prtcnet.org -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Betsy Whitney Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:21 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Removing Mold Aloha Donnie, I didn't see an answer to your question about the mold on your carry-bag, but maybe I just missed it. I've used vinegar to spot clean leather, but usually use a leather cleaner. There are lots of them out there. The reality is, that even though you get the mold off, if the bag is not stored out of moisture, it will come back. Saddle soap is an option, but again it only gets the mold off the surface. Good luck, Betsy At 05:23 PM 9/25/2009, you wrote: I do a little ventriloquism in my spare time and the leather case that I keep my little partner in is starting to get some pretty bad moldy looking stains on it. What would you guys recommend I could use to get this off? Thanks, Donnie Clyde ~ Please join us on Skype Monday thru Friday at 8:00 EST for our Morning Skype Prayer Time. Also, follow my tweets on Twitter @ http://twitter.com/Donnie1261http://twitter.com/Donnie1261 Contact Me At: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, Kentucky 40402 Home Phone: 606-364-3321 Church Phone: 606-364-PRAY Skype Name: Donnie1261 Email: mailto:deparrett%40prtcnet.orgdeparr...@prtcnet.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_posit ion=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
[BlindHandyMan] Switching email
Hi all, I am probably switching over to a new provider today, so am unsubbing from this address. See you again soon. Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] Deck project on-going
I am back to working on my deck again. I have already started to use the second floor for storage. About a month or so ago I got my 200 amp line to the building, hooked up my panel and got some lights in. Yesterday I got my water and sewer lines run in under the foundation from my house. Today I need to back fill and get my breeze way boards back on. Maybe not all today, but this week anyway. Along with my water and sewer lines I also have a telephone cable, cat 6 cable, tv cable, shielded speaker wires and an eight conductor thermostat wire run out underground in conduit. If I get my outdoor spigot installed by the end of the week I will be able to start placing deck boards on the deck finally. I do have plants on it now, hanging and sitting on joists. I have 3/4 plywood down where I need to walk and do stuff. Once the deck is done that plywood will become storage along the one and only full wall. I will be updating pictures at chiliblindman.net2go.com soon if anyone cares to look. I have been going to Baltimore to do things for my daughter and her husband. In 2 or 3 weeks I will be going down for a week so I can install outside lights and do and change wiring. I hope you all have a great week..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] FW: [Blindad] Fw: [peeps-talk] RNIB TALKING PRODUCT
Hi all, I apologize if this message is off topic but I did see some posts to the list about this item. Take care, Ed -Original Message- From: blindad-boun...@babel-fish.us [mailto:blindad-boun...@babel-fish.us] On Behalf Of Bob Acosta Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:35 AM To: blindad Subject: [Blindad] Fw: [peeps-talk] RNIB TALKING PRODUCT - Original Message - From: The Harness To: Devon Wilkins Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: Fw: [peeps-talk] RNIB TALKING PRODUCT Hi, there. I'm sending this to a bunch of people that I think might be excited by the independence that this product says it can offer us. I strongly urge you to click on the Youtube link, and listen to how easy it will be to label such things as CD's, important paperwork, prescription bottles, canned and frozen goods, and anything else you might want to tag for future use. It doesn't seem to be all that expensive either. This may well be the best thing that has come along for blind people since sliced bread, especially if you're not able to read either braille or large print. Enjoy! Devon. - Original Message - From: David Minton To: peeps-t...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [peeps-talk] RNIB TALKING PRODUCT Check out the uTube demo. Pretty cool, and the price is a whole lot cheaper than the Omni which is $1300. Scott -- From: Christopher Gray [mailto:sa...@bayareadigital.us] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:31 PM To: marsh...@blindlawyers.org Subject: New Labeling Product from RNIB Hello all of you who joined the Bay Area Digital list for RNIB products. I am writing you today with news about one of the most exciting new products to hit the market in many, many years. Of course, it's an RNIB product. Called PENfriend, it is one of the most exciting things I've seen in years. And at Bay Area Digital, it's ON SALE! Most companies we know about retail this product for $150 in the United States, even more. We've seen it on sale for $140. Our retail price at Bay Area Digital is $125. Until Thursday October 8, Bay Area Digital is putting PENFriend, on sale for an amazing $115. Don't miss out, we probably won't ever do this again. To hear about PENfriend and how it works, RNIB has put up a video presentation on Youtube. Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePE0-U73Ajc When you buy with PENFriend, it comes with 127 labels. Additional packs of may be purchased for $22 during this sale time. (Regular price is $29.95) To take advantage of the Bay Area Digital sale, contact us by phone (415)217-6667, or (888) 881-1998. You can also email us at sa...@bayareadigital.us. This product is so new it's not even on our website yet. So call or email right away to get in on this sale. All the best, Chris This message was sent from Christopher Gray to marsh...@blindlawyers.org. It was sent from: Bay Area Digital, 870 Market Street, Suite 653, San Francisco, CA 94102. You can modify/update your subscription via the link below. Email Marketing by Manage your subscription Share this message with others: del.icio.us Digg reddit Facebook StumbleUpon The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or touched. They must be felt with the heart. By: Helen Keller MSN Messenger spartan1...@hotmail.com Skype dminton1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ___ Blindad mailing list blin...@babel-fish.us http://babel-fish.us/mailman/listinfo/blindad_babel-fish.us
[BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
Since it has come up about this spiffy new barcode pen thing, I thought people might be interested in the following. A company, www.redlaser.com has developed a UPC barcode scanning app for the IPhone. It uses the video buffer so can capture barcodes on the fly. Below is a link to a youtube video, but since they aren't marketing to the blind, they don't have VoiceOver on, and there isn't much description, but you can hear the phone chirping every time it hits a barcode. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_hFGsmx_6k -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
hi dan and every one else that doesn't know the pen friend does not read bar codes. it reads rfid tags. thats why the pens can only use there tags and you have to be carful what searies of tags you get. i went to the rnib site and they said they were rfid tags.jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
Jom, good research, i missed that. It'd be interesting to see how close two lables can be together without interfeering with each other. Our look at RFId shows this can be a real problem, but they probably have the reader set to very short range. thanks Tom
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
Good catch Jim, I didn't really investigate the pen friend because I don't consider it a good purchase for me. Thanks for clearing it up though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
Department of Defense here in the States is doing a lot in the way of implementing RF ID into its supply chain, and I actually had some training on this stuff last week. Apparently, there are two generations of chips out there, and I suspect without knowing, that the RNIB product uses the older and no longer exceptable to DOD generation. In a supply system, there would be a computer on the back end of the reader somewhere, and there's no reason I can think of why it wouldn't be possible to use a reader chip reader in conjunction with a Pc with speech. Obviously you wouldn't have the portability, but you wouldn't be limited to audio only either. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: jim cheet...@frontiernet.net Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone. hi dan and every one else that doesn't know the pen friend does not read bar codes. it reads rfid tags. thats why the pens can only use there tags and you have to be carful what searies of tags you get. i went to the rnib site and they said they were rfid tags.jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
When I was working on developing a barcode reading system for the cellphone platform, we investigated using RFID tags. There would have been very little modification necesary to switch from a barcode scanner to an RFID scanner. The only problem was that no one is really using product level RFID tagging yet. Once they do start using product level tagging, it will be incredibly useful. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
bill, You're correct, except that RFID setups have to be carefully taylored to specific situations, re: distances from reader and between lables etc. get the tags too close together and it can either get confussed or read both so you can't tell which is which. Looks like RNIB appropriately made it work only at very short range which is fine for that app. It does not, however, look like RFID is the right technology, for example, for finding products on a crowded shelf etc. tom Fowle On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:40:03PM -0500, wstep...@everestkc.net wrote: Department of Defense here in the States is doing a lot in the way of implementing RF ID into its supply chain, and I actually had some training on this stuff last week. Apparently, there are two generations of chips out there, and I suspect without knowing, that the RNIB product uses the older and no longer exceptable to DOD generation. In a supply system, there would be a computer on the back end of the reader somewhere, and there's no reason I can think of why it wouldn't be possible to use a reader chip reader in conjunction with a Pc with speech. Obviously you wouldn't have the portability, but you wouldn't be limited to audio only either. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: jim cheet...@frontiernet.net Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone. hi dan and every one else that doesn't know the pen friend does not read bar codes. it reads rfid tags. thats why the pens can only use there tags and you have to be carful what searies of tags you get. i went to the rnib site and they said they were rfid tags.jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
If voice over works with this, this could open a lot of posabilities. at least i-phone aps, are low priced. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Like Me List ; Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone. Since it has come up about this spiffy new barcode pen thing, I thought people might be interested in the following. A company, www.redlaser.com has developed a UPC barcode scanning app for the IPhone. It uses the video buffer so can capture barcodes on the fly. Below is a link to a youtube video, but since they aren't marketing to the blind, they don't have VoiceOver on, and there isn't much description, but you can hear the phone chirping every time it hits a barcode. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_hFGsmx_6k -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
Don, I've done some more research into this. The app is $1.99 yep, two bucks. The output is all accessible, but actually getting it to scan a barcode is a bitch. It is mono-directional so you have to scan the barcode in the correct orientation, and you kind of have to get the barcode centered in a little box, and scan somewhat slowly. Still no where near as good as an omnidirectional scanner or RFID. I have faith that it will happen though. And I am going to contact the company and see if they can build in any kind of audio feed back for zoning in on the barcode. They apparently give some visual clues as to move the phone in or out, so audio may be possible as well. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Deck project on-going
way to go on your ongoing projects bob. hey , I checked out your web sie but I could not see the pictures my computer just says mage image. grins. Lee On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:51:27AM -0400, chiliblindman wrote: I am back to working on my deck again. I have already started to use the second floor for storage. About a month or so ago I got my 200 amp line to the building, hooked up my panel and got some lights in. Yesterday I got my water and sewer lines run in under the foundation from my house. Today I need to back fill and get my breeze way boards back on. Maybe not all today, but this week anyway. Along with my water and sewer lines I also have a telephone cable, cat 6 cable, tv cable, shielded speaker wires and an eight conductor thermostat wire run out underground in conduit. If I get my outdoor spigot installed by the end of the week I will be able to start placing deck boards on the deck finally. I do have plants on it now, hanging and sitting on joists. I have 3/4 plywood down where I need to walk and do stuff. Once the deck is done that plywood will become storage along the one and only full wall. I will be updating pictures at chiliblindman.net2go.com soon if anyone cares to look. I have been going to Baltimore to do things for my daughter and her husband. In 2 or 3 weeks I will be going down for a week so I can install outside lights and do and change wiring. I hope you all have a great week..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Backward conditioning: Putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. .
[BlindHandyMan] Paving project update.
Moving along, I have the patio a about done, waiting for the polymerized sand and dry weather. I have laid a retaining wall between my lawn and the hedge, four courses of 8 by 8 by 5.25 inch cement bricks which have a lip on the back edge to lock to the course below. This wall is 18 feet along one side and a little over 40 feet across the front. The courses are glued together. The faces of the stones are rough cut. I added two feet to the end of another retaining wall, these use much larger and oddly shaped bricks 8 inches wide, more or less 6 inches high and 13 inches deep. They have a sort of inverted 'V' shape which sits on the course below which has a reciprocal top surface. the wall ends in a peer formed of large squares with a capital plat on top. The wall then turns and comes forward to hold up a part of the neighbours yard. I have quite a bit more retaining wall to build but the weather is catching up with me. We had snow flurries this morning. I ended up having a disagreement with my neighbour, try as I might to avoid it. things got worse and I am interested in the list's collective ideas. I agreed to have a shared contractor to do the work, after all it is hard work and the driveway is 86 feet by something over 33 feet wide. Mostly I thought I would be saving the neighbour money and so far I haven't seen any. The contractor did a wonderful job up to the point of installing the jointing sand. He told me he uses beach sand, I told him not to use any, I would arrange polymerized sand and shake it down myself. I have a compactor and put the sand on order, nearly $1400 dollars worth. When I got home the son of a b**ch not only had packed but sanded it too. Twice I had that conversation with him and he ignored me. I am furious! How do I get that stuff out of the joints now? The weather is closing in too. I had to cancel my order and so on. Now comes time for the bill. With taxes all in I had agreed to 3600 bucks and would have paid that night. I mean the sand is packed in tight to the top I would be hard pressed to get it out with a putty knife and for sure I don't want to go at it with a pressure washer and risk shifting the sub base and there are several thousand bricks. As we go along I find out he didn't but finish grade 7, no wonder he isn't informed about recent developments of the past 20 years. He also lies and lies about his lies. Bragging about the job he did at the house behind us. Well maybe he was working for that contractor but it was done 18 years ago and the man is 34 years old now so I rather doubt it. The other job he sighted had been done a couple of years before I moved here and that was 21 years ago. I neglected to ask who changed his diapers while he was on those jobs. Anyway, he came around tonight I told him to send a bill in the usual way and I would decide how Ai will deal with it. Of course he pressed me by saying I had been willing to pay it the day he finished and that is true. I reminded him that he didn't come around for the check that day neither did he respond to my calls that night expressing my disappointment. OK! I did not have a formal written contract. My temptation is to discount the payment some amount and let him come for the rest through small claims court and see what they do about it. I doubt he would. I did print off an Internet article on Polymerized sand and recommended that he have his wife explain it to him, why I wanted to make his good job an excellent one and now have lost that opportunity. Anyway, I am interested to hear what you guys think would be the fair and right thing to do. Should I just pay up and suck it up? I admit some of it is emotional, the arrogance of a young pup. Us book learnin guys don't know nothing! When I hire a job I expect it done to my specifications particularly when it means superior outcomes but even if I am wrong I expect a debate. then if I am paying do it my way anyway. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
Yeah, it does sound like a app, that could be inproved on. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone. Don, I've done some more research into this. The app is $1.99 yep, two bucks. The output is all accessible, but actually getting it to scan a barcode is a bitch. It is mono-directional so you have to scan the barcode in the correct orientation, and you kind of have to get the barcode centered in a little box, and scan somewhat slowly. Still no where near as good as an omnidirectional scanner or RFID. I have faith that it will happen though. And I am going to contact the company and see if they can build in any kind of audio feed back for zoning in on the barcode. They apparently give some visual clues as to move the phone in or out, so audio may be possible as well. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Deck project on-going
Lee it is running now, but I didn't get it updated yet. Hopefully tomorrow I will have new pictures posted by noon. Check early afternoon tomorrow. bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Paving project update.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Paving project update.
Dale, You have every right to be pissed. The job wasn't done to your spec so you are probably within your right to withhold payment until the job is done to spec. Cliff can probably weigh in much more authoritatively here. Getting the sand out, wow, I can't imagine. The pressure washing was the first thing that came to mind, but I understand your reluctance there. How about shop vacking it out? You'd probably have to dump it a bunch of times, and maybe do the Bob thing and put a pillow case over the filter. And, it would be an extremely tedious process. Not sure how effective it would be. Best O luck. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
I wonder if you could use your computer and printer to print your own tags. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi d...@andrew.cmu.edu To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone. Good catch Jim, I didn't really investigate the pen friend because I don't consider it a good purchase for me. Thanks for clearing it up though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
Later messages have cleared this up. The first few messages who said it was R F I D ran it all together. I didn't have any idea what rfid was. I thought it was just a different standard for bar codes. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Max Robinson m...@maxsmusicplace.com To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone. I wonder if you could use your computer and printer to print your own tags. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi d...@andrew.cmu.edu To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone. Good catch Jim, I didn't really investigate the pen friend because I don't consider it a good purchase for me. Thanks for clearing it up though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
