Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in
Dan, I just cut them off. I haven't had enough experience with a torch to trust myself not to burn the house down or my fingers off. grin The former gate valves were soldered on. However, when I had my previous townhouse, they had compression fittings on those old valves and I was able to just replace those valves with ball valves since the compression ring wasn't going to come off. I swear by these valves, I have not had one go bad on me yet. In fact I'm going to replace the old gate valve on the supply line for the water heater since the old one amazed me and held, but barely and it required a set of plyers to move it. Don't want frozen valves in an emergency. grin On Oct 12, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Dan Rossi wrote: Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Bob, These are pretty neat valves. In addition to the bathrooms, I used them on my sinks too Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Bob Kennedy Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in When I do that, I aim for a height about an inch shorter than the supply lines I have. The inch gives me a little wiggle room. There is no set height that I know of, but for the toilet, you want to make sure you are above any trim or baseboard if you have any. BTW, I just replaced one of our toilet shut offs with a compression fitting. Coolest part is the shut off works like a gas valve. A quarter turn and it's on or off. I found it at Lowes so I'm sure everyone has them now. - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin To: doit_yours...@yahoogroups.com ; blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Hi, For my plumbing rough in, what is the best height for the stub outs for the supply and drain on a bathroom vanity, and for the stub out on a toilet? Thanks, Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in
Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in
Yes, that is what I used and I do not recommend sawing them off. Sorry I should have mentioned how I did it. I find a tube cutter to be much easier to work with in tight spaces where many of these valves were for me. On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Alan Terrie Robbins wrote: Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in
how would one of those tube cutters work if you have a pipe right close to a wall or to a sub flooring? Lee On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14:01AM -0400, Scott Howell wrote: Yes, that is what I used and I do not recommend sawing them off. Sorry I should have mentioned how I did it. I find a tube cutter to be much easier to work with in tight spaces where many of these valves were for me. On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Alan Terrie Robbins wrote: Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Quark! Quark! Beware the quantum duck! .
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hi lee not very well at all. jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in
There is a tube cutter for very close working. I have one that is probably less than two inches long before tightened down. - Original Message - From: Lee A. Stone se...@mailsent.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in how would one of those tube cutters work if you have a pipe right close to a wall or to a sub flooring? Lee On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14:01AM -0400, Scott Howell wrote: Yes, that is what I used and I do not recommend sawing them off. Sorry I should have mentioned how I did it. I find a tube cutter to be much easier to work with in tight spaces where many of these valves were for me. On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Alan Terrie Robbins wrote: Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Quark! Quark! Beware the quantum duck! . Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4503 (20091013) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in
They also make 4 way cutters so you don't have to go all the way around the pipe. With 4 cutting wheels you only need to turn one way and then back about 90 or so degrees Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in There is a tube cutter for very close working. I have one that is probably less than two inches long before tightened down. - Original Message - From: Lee A. Stone se...@mailsent.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in how would one of those tube cutters work if you have a pipe right close to a wall or to a sub flooring? Lee On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14:01AM -0400, Scott Howell wrote: Yes, that is what I used and I do not recommend sawing them off. Sorry I should have mentioned how I did it. I find a tube cutter to be much easier to work with in tight spaces where many of these valves were for me. On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Alan Terrie Robbins wrote: Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Quark! Quark! Beware the quantum duck! . Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view _pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4503 (20091013) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I often think Lenny when for instance when someone is building a house that a plumber does not think someday someone will be working on those pipes. thanks..Lee On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:48:32AM -0400, Lenny McHugh wrote: There is a tube cutter for very close working. I have one that is probably less than two inches long before tightened down. - Original Message - From: Lee A. Stone se...@mailsent.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in how would one of those tube cutters work if you have a pipe right close to a wall or to a sub flooring? Lee On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14:01AM -0400, Scott Howell wrote: Yes, that is what I used and I do not recommend sawing them off. Sorry I should have mentioned how I did it. I find a tube cutter to be much easier to work with in tight spaces where many of these valves were for me. On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Alan Terrie Robbins wrote: Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Quark! Quark! Beware the quantum duck! . Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4503 (20091013) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- Quark! Quark! Beware the quantum duck! .
[BlindHandyMan] pen friend
I don't remember if it was this list or the blind like me list were there was talk of the pen friend labeler. There is a place in San Francisco called Bay Area Digital that had it on sale for 115 dollars. Does anyone have that posting? Or the phone number to contact Bay Area Digital? I went through the archives for both list and couldn't find it. Didn't remember the subject line. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4502 (20091013) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
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In boats, everyone who knows anything uses ball valves for through hull connections because you can shut them down quickly in case of hose failures and sea water sudden ingress. But don't forget to operate them once in a while even fancy marine bronze ball valves can get frozen up. tom Fowle
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You would be unlikely to have enough stub sticking out of a wall plus the length of the fitting to be able to get a tube cutter on most to be able to cut the original fitting off. Often there is hardly room for a hacksaw. - Original Message - From: Alan Terrie Robbins To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Brice, here is the web page and phone numbers. http://www.bayareadigital.us/ Phone: (415) 217-6667 Fax: (415) 217-6667 --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. - Original Message - From: Brice bri...@charter.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] pen friend I don't remember if it was this list or the blind like me list were there was talk of the pen friend labeler. There is a place in San Francisco called Bay Area Digital that had it on sale for 115 dollars. Does anyone have that posting? Or the phone number to contact Bay Area Digital? I went through the archives for both list and couldn't find it. Didn't remember the subject line. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4502 (20091013) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4504 (20091013) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in
Dale, Guess I'm lucky as my supply lines come up through the floor. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:38 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in You would be unlikely to have enough stub sticking out of a wall plus the length of the fitting to be able to get a tube cutter on most to be able to cut the original fitting off. Often there is hardly room for a hacksaw. - Original Message - From: Alan Terrie Robbins To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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You won't burn your fingers off, take it from someone who has been cooked too many times to remember. It only takes propane to remove a shut off. I've lost my grip on an oxy acetylene torch and the flame ran across my hand and fingers of the other hand on the way down. That is so hot it almost feels cold for a very short time... I thought they were going to start calling me Char lee. Don't be afraid of working with propane, just be respectful. When I work in a tight place that could cause a problem, I have an aluminum cake pan I use as a heat shield. I put the rim against the wall and the bottom closest to the flame. That gives some dead space for the heat to dissipate and I haven't lost a house yet to my plumbing. Lost one to a chimney fire, but I had some help with that... - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Dan, I just cut them off. I haven't had enough experience with a torch to trust myself not to burn the house down or my fingers off. grin The former gate valves were soldered on. However, when I had my previous townhouse, they had compression fittings on those old valves and I was able to just replace those valves with ball valves since the compression ring wasn't going to come off. I swear by these valves, I have not had one go bad on me yet. In fact I'm going to replace the old gate valve on the supply line for the water heater since the old one amazed me and held, but barely and it required a set of plyers to move it. Don't want frozen valves in an emergency. grin On Oct 12, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Dan Rossi wrote: Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Since most toilets and sinks are supplied from half inch line, I have a mini tubing cutter that works great. Opens up to 3 quarters of an inch and it's narrower than the larger models. - Original Message - From: Lee A. Stone To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in how would one of those tube cutters work if you have a pipe right close to a wall or to a sub flooring? Lee On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14:01AM -0400, Scott Howell wrote: Yes, that is what I used and I do not recommend sawing them off. Sorry I should have mentioned how I did it. I find a tube cutter to be much easier to work with in tight spaces where many of these valves were for me. On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Alan Terrie Robbins wrote: Dan, Not sure how Scott did it, but I used a tubing cutter. I find they give a nice smooth even cut especially when installing the compression fitting. Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plumbing rough in Scott, You said that you ran around your house replacing all the shut-offs with the ball valves. How did you remove the old valves? Did you heat them and pull them apart? Or did you cut them off and hope for enough slack? Or, were the old one's compression fittings also and you were able to pry them apart? Just curious. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Quark! Quark! Beware the quantum duck! . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
