[BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems
RJ, Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? Claudia - Original Message - From: RJ To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do an initial inspection for free. They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come back? Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't know of any other companies that come out to test. Claudia - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. County health dept. sounds like a good plan. Tom __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I will check, but to my recollection, the company had a special going at the time. Believe it was some where around $450. They are expensive and the bulb replacement isn't cheap. RJ - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:41 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems RJ, Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? Claudia - Original Message - From: RJ To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do an initial inspection for free. They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come back? Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't know of any other companies that come out to test. Claudia - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. County health dept. sounds like a good plan. Tom __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems
Claudia, Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic filter? Dale Leavens. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems RJ, Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? Claudia - Original Message - From: RJ To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do an initial inspection for free. They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come back? Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't know of any other companies that come out to test. Claudia - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. County health dept. sounds like a good plan. Tom __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems
Dale, has anybody ever asked you where Roy was? Alan Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly! The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. - Original Message - From: "Dale Leavens" To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > Claudia, > > Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic > filter? > > Dale Leavens. > > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > > RJ, > > Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: RJ > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have > allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. > When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do > an initial inspection for free. > They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it > doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come > back? > Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one > that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! > > Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If > anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before > deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. > I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't > know of any other companies that come out to test. > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: Tom Fowle > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the > roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. > > Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a > real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. > > County health dept. sounds like a good plan. > > Tom > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > list just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems
What do you mean by forced air? I'm not sure. We have a heating and cooling system, in one; we have vents, and the duct work is all in the basement. I'm thinking that this is forced air? The vents are floor-level, and the filters are just the kind you slide in and out of the furnace, nothing electronic! Claudia - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems Claudia, Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic filter? Dale Leavens. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems RJ, Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? Claudia - Original Message - From: RJ To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do an initial inspection for free. They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come back? Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't know of any other companies that come out to test. Claudia - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. County health dept. sounds like a good plan. Tom __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems
Not since I was in about third grade if that means anything? Dale leavens. - Original Message - From: Alan Paganelli To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems Dale, has anybody ever asked you where Roy was? Alan Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly! The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. - Original Message - From: "Dale Leavens" To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > Claudia, > > Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic > filter? > > Dale Leavens. > > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > > RJ, > > Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: RJ > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have > allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. > When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do > an initial inspection for free. > They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it > doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come > back? > Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one > that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! > > Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If > anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before > deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. > I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't > know of any other companies that come out to test. > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: Tom Fowle > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the > roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. > > Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a > real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. > > County health dept. sounds like a good plan. > > Tom > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems
Claudia, You should change or wash your furnace filter as often as is reccommende You could get a so-called HEPA filter for more money those are not washable but are a much finer filter that is pretty muh as good as anybody needs. >From all you've said, i doubt you have a mold problem and if your allergologist said no, that's pretty good, much better ahan any commercial inspector. Tom On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 06:19:27PM -0500, Claudia wrote: > What do you mean by forced air? > I'm not sure. > > We have a heating and cooling system, in one; we have vents, and the duct > work is all in the basement. I'm thinking that this is forced air? > The vents are floor-level, and the filters are just the kind you slide in and > out of the furnace, nothing electronic! > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: Dale Leavens > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > > Claudia, > > Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic filter? > > Dale Leavens. > > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > RJ, > > Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: RJ > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have allergies, > so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. > When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do > an initial inspection for free. > They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it > doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come back? > Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one that > he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! > > Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If > anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before > deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. > I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't > know of any other companies that come out to test. > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: Tom Fowle > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the > roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. > > Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a > real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. > > County health dept. sounds like a good plan. > > Tom > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5199 (20100615) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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OK, that is a for forced air system. You can have electronic filters installed which catch all sorts of small particles like mold spores and pet dander and other allergens. They aren't so good as those air cleaners but they do provide filtration of the entire dwelling which the air purifiers do not.. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems What do you mean by forced air? I'm not sure. We have a heating and cooling system, in one; we have vents, and the duct work is all in the basement. I'm thinking that this is forced air? The vents are floor-level, and the filters are just the kind you slide in and out of the furnace, nothing electronic! Claudia - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems Claudia, Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic filter? Dale Leavens. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems RJ, Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? Claudia - Original Message - From: RJ To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do an initial inspection for free. They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come back? Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't know of any other companies that come out to test. Claudia - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. County health dept. sounds like a good plan. Tom __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sorry, couldn't resist! LOL! Alan Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly! The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. - Original Message - From: "Dale Leavens" To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > Not since I was in about third grade if that means anything? > > Dale leavens. > > > - Original Message - > From: Alan Paganelli > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > > Dale, has anybody ever asked you where Roy was? > > Alan > > Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly! > > The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still > available upon request. > > - Original Message - > From: "Dale Leavens" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > Claudia, > > > > Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic > > filter? > > > > Dale Leavens. > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: Claudia > > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM > > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > > > > > > RJ, > > > > Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? > > > > Claudia > > > > - Original Message - > > From: RJ > > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > > > I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have > > allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. > > - Original Message - > > From: Claudia > > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 > > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > > > County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. > > When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and > do > > an initial inspection for free. > > They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and > it > > doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come > > back? > > Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one > > that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go > figure! > > > > Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If > > anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, > before > > deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. > > I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I > don't > > know of any other companies that come out to test. > > > > Claudia > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Tom Fowle > > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > > > The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the > > roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. > > > > Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually > a > > real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your > place. > > > > County health dept. sounds like a good plan. > > > > Tom > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 5199 (20100615) __ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >
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The space guard may be the best over all filter for the forced air system. It is a slide in filter that lasts between 2 to 4 years with out a change. Itstarts at 10 microns and quickly gets to 1 micron, and filters finer as it gets older. The filter costs $40 per change, I do not know what the cost of having the unit installed on your duct, but it needs to be installed where the air enters the furnace at the intake, normally at the bottom of the unit. We also have a ozonator. It produces the good kind of ozone. The process of making ozone also makes negitive ions. The unit includes a positive ion generator. This causes the very fine particles in the air to become negitive or positive. Negitive and positive attract, causing the fine particles to clump together. When the particles become too big, they fall where they can be vaccuumed. The ozone kills dust mites and mold. it will nutralize many harmful chemicals in the home. Our unit cost about $400. They vary in size. the plates need to be scrubbed with ammonia and a toothbrush about 4 times a year. . John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems What do you mean by forced air? I'm not sure. We have a heating and cooling system, in one; we have vents, and the duct work is all in the basement. I'm thinking that this is forced air? The vents are floor-level, and the filters are just the kind you slide in and out of the furnace, nothing electronic! Claudia - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems Claudia, Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic filter? Dale Leavens. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems RJ, Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? Claudia - Original Message - From: RJ To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. - Original Message - From: Claudia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do an initial inspection for free. They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come back? Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't know of any other companies that come out to test. Claudia - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? The last place you should go is a company that also fixes the roblem, it's one of the big current scams out there. Molds and mildew and th like are everywhere and apparrently not usually a real problem. unless you've had long term water remaining in your place. County health dept. sounds like a good plan. Tom __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5199 (20100615) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of
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The good kind of Ozone? which version of o3 is the good kind and which is the bad kind? O3 is O3. At high concentrations, Ozone is a pretty nasty pollutant. Think of it this way, it is used as a disinfectant because it quote kills the microbes that come into contact with it. People may be larger than microbes, but we operate on a lot of the same principles. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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There's no such thing as good ozone. There's only one kind and that's three oxygen atoms bonded together in a molecule. It's a deadly poison. I wouldn't have one of those ozone generators in my home. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: "John Sherrer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > The space guard may be the best over all filter for the forced air system. > It is a slide in filter that lasts between 2 to 4 years with out a change. > Itstarts at 10 microns and quickly gets to 1 micron, and filters finer as > it gets older. > The filter costs $40 per change, I do not know what the cost of having the > unit installed on your duct, but it needs to be installed where the air > enters the furnace at the intake, normally at the bottom of the unit. > > We also have a ozonator. It produces the good kind of ozone. > The process of making ozone also makes negitive ions. The unit includes > a positive ion generator. This causes the very fine particles in the air > to become negitive or positive. Negitive and positive attract, causing > the fine particles to clump together. When the particles become too big, > they fall where they can be vaccuumed. > The ozone kills dust mites and mold. it will nutralize many harmful > chemicals in the home. > Our unit cost about $400. They vary in size. the plates need to be > scrubbed with ammonia and a toothbrush about 4 times a year. > . > John > http://WhiteCane.org > http://BlindWoodWorker.com > http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane > http://anellos.ws > > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > > What do you mean by forced air? > I'm not sure. > > We have a heating and cooling system, in one; we have vents, and the duct > work is all in the basement. I'm thinking that this is forced air? > The vents are floor-level, and the filters are just the kind you slide in > and out of the furnace, nothing electronic! > > Claudia > > ----- Original Message - > From: Dale Leavens > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > Claudia, > > Do you have a forced air furnace system? Does it have an electronic > filter? > > Dale Leavens. > > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:41 PM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > RJ, > > Do you recall how much you paid for your air purifier? > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: RJ > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > I do have one from Shaklee, that my wife swear by. I don't have > allergies, so I can't tell. Plus the house is only 7 years old. > - Original Message - > From: Claudia > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 16:36 > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? > > County Health Dept. referred me to a company that you have to pay. > When I did talk with this company, they stated they could come out and do > an initial inspection for free. > They also stated that mold clean-up can get very, very expensive, and it > doesn't permanently cure the problem because it could potentially come > back? > Then, he talked to me about purchasing an air purification system, one > that he swears by, of course, that only costs $750, plus tax. Go figure! > > Does anyone know whether these air purification systems really work? If > anything, I would ask him, if we could try it, for a week or two, before > deciding whether or not we wanted to purchase. > I think this guy probably just wants my money, but at this point, I don't > know of any other companies that come out to test. > > Claudia > > - Original Message - > From: Tom Fowle > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Testing for Mold? >
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Ozone is part of nature, such as a lightening strike, when you can smell the ozone. This cleanses the air and land. This is the good ozone. My ozonator has the same smell as the ozone from a lightening strike. Ozone will kill all bacteria, virus, and dust mites in the air by burning them with oxygen. I have a guide dog and had other dogs in the past, and the ozone gets rid of most odors. Tour house never smelled like dog, except when using the vacuum cleaner. One reason why I like ozone is that it neutralizes chemicals. We had new carpet installed. As you may know new carpet has strong odors from the plastic vapors. We put the ozonator in the room and cranked it up all the way since we were going to be out of the house a few days. We came back and had no odors. I believe that bad ozone is ozone mixed with pollution. I do not know when ozone helps pollution or opposes it. I have never smelled ozone on days with high ozone alerts. Since I am telling you what I believe and am not sure, do not believe it, let's find out what bad ozone is. A few years ago I was at a web site that explained the difference and I will look for it. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems The good kind of Ozone? which version of o3 is the good kind and which is the bad kind? O3 is O3. At high concentrations, Ozone is a pretty nasty pollutant. Think of it this way, it is used as a disinfectant because it quote kills the microbes that come into contact with it. People may be larger than microbes, but we operate on a lot of the same principles. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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After reading this information you may change your mind. A few years ago I called a manufacturer about a cleaner that can produce ozone. I mentioned that I have a guide dog. His response to turn the ozone generation off or purchase a different model. http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html - Original Message - From: "John Sherrer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems Ozone is part of nature, such as a lightening strike, when you can smell the ozone. This cleanses the air and land. This is the good ozone. My ozonator has the same smell as the ozone from a lightening strike. Ozone will kill all bacteria, virus, and dust mites in the air by burning them with oxygen. I have a guide dog and had other dogs in the past, and the ozone gets rid of most odors. Tour house never smelled like dog, except when using the vacuum cleaner. One reason why I like ozone is that it neutralizes chemicals. We had new carpet installed. As you may know new carpet has strong odors from the plastic vapors. We put the ozonator in the room and cranked it up all the way since we were going to be out of the house a few days. We came back and had no odors. I believe that bad ozone is ozone mixed with pollution. I do not know when ozone helps pollution or opposes it. I have never smelled ozone on days with high ozone alerts. Since I am telling you what I believe and am not sure, do not believe it, let's find out what bad ozone is. A few years ago I was at a web site that explained the difference and I will look for it. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems The good kind of Ozone? which version of o3 is the good kind and which is the bad kind? O3 is O3. At high concentrations, Ozone is a pretty nasty pollutant. Think of it this way, it is used as a disinfectant because it quote kills the microbes that come into contact with it. People may be larger than microbes, but we operate on a lot of the same principles. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, John Sherrer wrote: > Ozone is part of nature, such as a lightening strike, when you can > smell the ozone. This cleanses the air and land. This is the good > ozone. Um, OK. However, lightning also causes forest fires, which are part of nature, and important to the generation of new growth, but I don't want fire in my house. Carbon Dioxide is also found naturally in the environment, and very important to plant growth. I don't want a CO2 generator in my house either. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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Lenny, Thanks very much for this link. It was an interesting read and I will send it to everyone who tells me that Ozone generators are a good thing. John, I guess you were right, there is good Ozone and bad Ozone. Good up high, bad near by. Ozone in the upper atmosphere is vital to the Earth, but a serious pollutant at ground level. So you are, in fact, generating the bad kind of Ozone in your house. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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What I never understood about the ozone layer is why it isn't a self regulating system. The more ultraviolet which penetrates the atmosphere the more ozone it will generate to replace that removed by those fluorocarbons. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems Lenny, Thanks very much for this link. It was an interesting read and I will send it to everyone who tells me that Ozone generators are a good thing. John, I guess you were right, there is good Ozone and bad Ozone. Good up high, bad near by. Ozone in the upper atmosphere is vital to the Earth, but a serious pollutant at ground level. So you are, in fact, generating the bad kind of Ozone in your house. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dan, People will believe what they want to believe. Over a career of nearly forty years in Physical therapy I have always been amazed at the number of people complaining of their bad backs they blamed on the vibration exposure in their trucks, heavy equipment even with air suspended seating who then went home and spent the evening in their in some cases as much as multi thousand dollar vibrating chairs. The very vibration that health and safety protects them from on the job and against which they would readily make compensation claims becomes therapeutic off the job. Get Renaults disease from operating a drill or chain saw and someone will be responsible then go to the Chiropractor and pay to use a magic hand massager. Damage your lungs on the job with ozone and you can use some of your Workers' Compensation claim money to buy a generator for your personal home use I suppose. Some of these things are like politics and religion. there is no requirement for the proponent to demonstrate anything. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, John Sherrer wrote: > Ozone is part of nature, such as a lightening strike, when you can > smell the ozone. This cleanses the air and land. This is the good > ozone. Um, OK. However, lightning also causes forest fires, which are part of nature, and important to the generation of new growth, but I don't want fire in my house. Carbon Dioxide is also fozone on the job and you can spend your compensation money on a home ozone generator.d naturally in the environment, and very important to plant growth. I don't want a CO2 generator in my house either. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I could not get the link to open, but I will try again later. My sister-in-law shows dogs as a hobby. They have about 11 dogs. At these shows, benders are there that sell ozonators. They bought one without my influence. A lot of dog show people must use ozonators. After 9/11, the company that made my ozonator donated a bunch of these units to the Pentagon. The people at the Pentagon said that these units were the only thing that worked to get rid of the aviation fuel smell and the fire smell. I have been using ozone for over 15 years, and I believe that ozone turns a house into a healthy environment. I must admit that I do not trust the FDA or the EPA, and some other government agencies. I do not want to convince someone to do what I do or change one's mind. Everyone must decide what works for themselves. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems After reading this information you may change your mind. A few years ago I called a manufacturer about a cleaner that can produce ozone. I mentioned that I have a guide dog. His response to turn the ozone generation off or purchase a different model. http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html - Original Message - From: "John Sherrer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems Ozone is part of nature, such as a lightening strike, when you can smell the ozone. This cleanses the air and land. This is the good ozone. My ozonator has the same smell as the ozone from a lightening strike. Ozone will kill all bacteria, virus, and dust mites in the air by burning them with oxygen. I have a guide dog and had other dogs in the past, and the ozone gets rid of most odors. Tour house never smelled like dog, except when using the vacuum cleaner. One reason why I like ozone is that it neutralizes chemicals. We had new carpet installed. As you may know new carpet has strong odors from the plastic vapors. We put the ozonator in the room and cranked it up all the way since we were going to be out of the house a few days. We came back and had no odors. I believe that bad ozone is ozone mixed with pollution. I do not know when ozone helps pollution or opposes it. I have never smelled ozone on days with high ozone alerts. Since I am telling you what I believe and am not sure, do not believe it, let's find out what bad ozone is. A few years ago I was at a web site that explained the difference and I will look for it. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems The good kind of Ozone? which version of o3 is the good kind and which is the bad kind? O3 is O3. At high concentrations, Ozone is a pretty nasty pollutant. Think of it this way, it is used as a disinfectant because it quote kills the microbes that come into contact with it. People may be larger than microbes, but we operate on a lot of the same principles. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I did get the link to open. This never addressed indoor ozone. But it did help me understand ozone warnings. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems Lenny, Thanks very much for this link. It was an interesting read and I will send it to everyone who tells me that Ozone generators are a good thing. John, I guess you were right, there is good Ozone and bad Ozone. Good up high, bad near by. Ozone in the upper atmosphere is vital to the Earth, but a serious pollutant at ground level. So you are, in fact, generating the bad kind of Ozone in your house. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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John, Did you get the same link to open that Lenny sent to the list? The entire article was about Ozone generators and indoor air quality. Here is the link again. EPA statement on indoor Ozone generators http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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great article. Seems like an expanded version of what I last read, about 5 years ago. thanks for this. On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Lenny McHugh wrote: > After reading this information you may change your mind. A few years ago I > called a manufacturer about a cleaner that can produce ozone. I mentioned > that I have a guide dog. His response to turn the ozone generation off or > purchase a different model. > http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html > - Original Message - > From: "John Sherrer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:13 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > Ozone is part of nature, such as a lightening strike, when you can smell the > ozone. This cleanses the air and land. This is the good ozone. My > ozonator has the same smell as the ozone from a lightening strike. > Ozone will kill all bacteria, virus, and dust mites in the air by burning > them with oxygen. > I have a guide dog and had other dogs in the past, and the ozone gets rid of > most odors. Tour house never smelled like dog, except when using the vacuum > cleaner. > > One reason why I like ozone is that it neutralizes chemicals. > > We had new carpet installed. As you may know new carpet has strong odors > from the plastic vapors. We put the ozonator in the room and cranked it up > all the way since we were going to be out of the house a few days. We came > back and had no odors. > > I believe that bad ozone is ozone mixed with pollution. I do not know when > ozone helps pollution or opposes it. I have never smelled ozone on days > with high ozone alerts. Since I am telling you what I believe and am not > sure, do not believe it, let's find out what bad ozone is. A few years ago > I was at a web site that explained the difference and I will look for it. > > John > http://WhiteCane.org > http://BlindWoodWorker.com > http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane > http://anellos.ws > > - Original Message - > From: Dan Rossi > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > > The good kind of Ozone? which version of o3 is the good kind and which is > the bad kind? O3 is O3. At high concentrations, Ozone is a pretty nasty > pollutant. Think of it this way, it is used as a disinfectant because it > quote kills the microbes that come into contact with it. People may be > larger than microbes, but we operate on a lot of the same principles. > > -- > Blue skies. > Dan Rossi > Carnegie Mellon University. > E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu > Tel: (412) 268-9081 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list > just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links > > > >
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and as the environmental Protection Agency report quoted "good ozone up high, not near by". On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Dan Rossi wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, John Sherrer wrote: > >> Ozone is part of nature, such as a lightening strike, when you can >> smell the ozone. This cleanses the air and land. This is the good >> ozone. > > Um, OK. However, lightning also causes forest fires, which are part of > nature, and important to the generation of new growth, but I don't want > fire in my house. > > Carbon Dioxide is also found naturally in the environment, and very > important to plant growth. I don't want a CO2 generator in my house > either. > > -- > Blue skies. > Dan Rossi > Carnegie Mellon University. > E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu > Tel: (412) 268-9081 >
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in fact in addressed indoor ozone in many ways. It addressed indoor ozone levels, as well as natural levels at ground level that could come in and refered to the combination of those and of multiple machines, and the use of machines for given size areas in smaller areas and distance from machines. It refered to carpet, and embalming fluid and listed many papers produced to support the discussion. It referred to microbes in ceiling tiles and that levels 5x that of safe would be required to kill microbes though higher if they were to be effected once the ozone was turned off; and how those embedded microbes may not be effected at all. On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, John Sherrer wrote: > I did get the link to open. > This never addressed indoor ozone. But it did help me understand ozone > warnings. > > John > http://WhiteCane.org > http://BlindWoodWorker.com > http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane > http://anellos.ws > > - Original Message - > From: Dan Rossi > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems > > > > Lenny, > > Thanks very much for this link. It was an interesting read and I will > send it to everyone who tells me that Ozone generators are a good thing. > > John, I guess you were right, there is good Ozone and bad Ozone. Good up > high, bad near by. Ozone in the upper atmosphere is vital to the Earth, > but a serious pollutant at ground level. So you are, in fact, generating > the bad kind of Ozone in your house. > > -- > Blue skies. > Dan Rossi > Carnegie Mellon University. > E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu > Tel: (412) 268-9081 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
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Hi Dan Thanks for this. I did open a different link. I was able to open this one. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems John, Did you get the same link to open that Lenny sent to the list? The entire article was about Ozone generators and indoor air quality. Here is the link again. EPA statement on indoor Ozone generators http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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After reading the article on indoor ozone I wanted to make a few comments from personal experience. The article talked about buying an oversized unit, for a 3000 square foot house. that is the unit we bought when we replaced our old unit. My primary reason for buying the unit oversized is that I wanted the air purification to reach my shop. That is the positive and negative Ion generation. Testing this in the last two months, it does seem to work. No one that I know would put a unit designed for 3000 square feet in a room and run it full blast. That is crazy. In fact, in April we did that very thing. We had new carpet installed in that room, so we put the ozonator in that room and turned it all the way up. Then we left the house for two or three weeks. We have two houses, one in Winston Salem and one in the North Carolina mountains. We plan to move to the mountains. We had bought an old house and we slowly are fixing and improving the house. This is also where my shop is. When we came back, we could smell a little ozone when we came in. My wife turned the unit down very low. This is where the article went wrong, since we run the unit at the lowest level as we can. We like to run it where I can just barely smell it. I sleep better with ozone, but it is not a cure for sleep problems. Bacteria and viruses in the air will die with or without ozone. A cold germ will die in about 45 minutes exposed to air without ozone. Ozone may get it faster, but this may not be the reason to buy a unit. We have two cats, with the ozone generator running, the litter box has no odor. The article mentioned body odor. I never thought about body odors, we have a shower. But it is very effective with dog odors. We had a 92% gas forced air furnace installed about 17 years ago. They had to put the air intake for the burner outside. They said that the air in the house is more toxic and corrosive than the outside air. This is why I use ozone. I also like the fresh smell it gives the house. The article said that we did wrong with the carpet. I do not believe that the article mentioned if the newly formed chemical was a gas or not. But hopefully after two weeks that chemical was gone or dispersed. Our first ozonator had a button that you pressed to get twice the maximum amount of ozone for 45 minutes, then the unit would turn off. The directions told you to get out of the house and take your pets with you. We used this feature in a bathroom to get rid of some mold. Ozone is not a cure all. It will only affect chemicals that react with oxygen. If you were to set out a cup of house hold ammonia the ozone will convert it to pure water. This is a good article and I am glad I read it. But it was a unfair talking about putting the unit in a small room and blasting it. We have our unit in the basement set as low as we can to get the performance we want. The article did say that a user cannot tell how much ozone they ar producing. This is true, but experience will help you get a handle on it. A new user will find that in a couple of days that the ozone got stronger. That is because the ozone was being used up quickly and the new user will have to turn it down untill it is at a level that works for them. Gasoline is one of the most dangerous chemicals we can use. Yet with safe practice we can go a life time with no problems. Ozone generation is the same thing, being smart the benefits can be gotten without any problems. I believe that most of you would use an ozonator if you tried one for two weeks. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Air Purification Systems John, Did you get the same link to open that Lenny sent to the list? The entire article was about Ozone generators and indoor air quality. Here is the link again. EPA statement on indoor Ozone generators http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
