Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Max Robinson
Later messages have cleared this up.  The first few messages who said it was 
R F I D ran it all together.  I didn't have any idea what rfid was.  I 
thought it was just a different standard for bar codes.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.


>I wonder if you could use your computer and printer to print your own tags.
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> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
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>> Good catch Jim,
>>
>> I didn't really investigate the pen friend because I don't consider it a
>> good purchase for me.  Thanks for clearing it up though.
>>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Max Robinson
I wonder if you could use your computer and printer to print your own tags.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Rossi" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.


> Good catch Jim,
>
> I didn't really investigate the pen friend because I don't consider it a
> good purchase for me.  Thanks for clearing it up though.
>
> -- 
> Blue skies.
> Dan Rossi
> Carnegie Mellon University.
> E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
> Tel: (412) 268-9081
>
>
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> Or
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>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Don
Yeah, it does sound like a  app, that could be inproved on.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Rossi 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.


Don,

  I've done some more research into this. The app is $1.99 yep, two bucks. 
  The output is all accessible, but actually getting it to scan a barcode is 
  a bitch. It is mono-directional so you have to scan the barcode in the 
  correct orientation, and you kind of have to get the barcode centered in a 
  little box, and scan somewhat slowly. Still no where near as good as an 
  omnidirectional scanner or RFID. I have faith that it will happen though. 
  And I am going to contact the company and see if they can build in any 
  kind of audio feed back for zoning in on the barcode. They apparently 
  give some visual clues as to move the phone in or out, so audio may be 
  possible as well.

  -- 
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  Dan Rossi
  Carnegie Mellon University.
  E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
  Tel: (412) 268-9081


  

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Dan Rossi
Don,

I've done some more research into this.  The app is $1.99 yep, two bucks. 
The output is all accessible, but actually getting it to scan a barcode is 
a bitch.  It is mono-directional so you have to scan the barcode in the 
correct orientation, and you kind of have to get the barcode centered in a 
little box, and scan somewhat slowly.  Still no where near as good as an 
omnidirectional scanner or RFID.  I have faith that it will happen though. 
And I am going to contact the company and see if they can build in any 
kind of audio feed back for zoning in on the barcode.  They apparently 
give some visual clues as to move the phone in or out, so audio may be 
possible as well.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081


Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Don
If voice over works with this, this could open a lot of posabilities.  at least 
i-phone aps, are low priced.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Rossi 
  To: Blind Like Me List ; Blind Handyman List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:16 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.


Since it has come up about this spiffy new barcode pen thing, I thought 
  people might be interested in the following. A company, www.redlaser.com 
  has developed a UPC barcode scanning app for the IPhone. It uses the 
  video buffer so can capture barcodes on the fly. Below is a link to a 
  youtube video, but since they aren't marketing to the blind, they don't 
  have VoiceOver on, and there isn't much description, but you can hear the 
  phone chirping every time it hits a barcode.

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_hFGsmx_6k

  -- 
  Blue skies.
  Dan Rossi
  Carnegie Mellon University.
  E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
  Tel: (412) 268-9081


  

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Tom Fowle
bill,
You're correct, except that RFID setups have to be carefully taylored
to specific situations, re: distances from reader and between lables etc.
get the tags too close together and it can either get confussed or read both
so you can't tell which is which.

Looks like RNIB appropriately made it work only at very short
range which is fine for that app.

It does not, however, look like RFID is the right technology, for example,
for finding products on a crowded shelf etc.

tom Fowle

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:40:03PM -0500, wstep...@everestkc.net wrote:
> Department of Defense here in the States is doing a lot in the way of 
> implementing RF ID into its supply chain, and I actually had some training on 
> this stuff last week.  Apparently, there are two generations of chips out 
> there, and I suspect without knowing, that the RNIB product uses the older 
> and no longer exceptable to DOD generation.  In a supply system, there would 
> be a computer on the back end of the reader somewhere, and there's no reason 
> I can think of why it wouldn't be possible to use a reader chip reader in 
> conjunction with a Pc with speech.  Obviously you wouldn't have the 
> portability, but you wouldn't be limited to audio only either.
> 
> Bill Stephan 
> Kansas Citty MO 
> Email: wstep...@everestkc.net 
> Phone: (816)803-2469
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: jim 
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
> > hi dan and every one else that doesn't know 
> > the pen friend does not read bar codes. 
> > it reads rfid tags. 
> > thats why the pens can only use there tags and you have to be 
> > carful what searies of tags you get. 
> > i went to the rnib site and they  said they were rfid tags.jim 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
> > 


Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Dan Rossi
When I was working on developing a barcode reading system for the 
cellphone platform, we investigated using RFID tags.  There would have 
been very little modification necesary to switch from a barcode scanner to 
an RFID scanner.  The only problem was that no one is really using product 
level RFID tagging yet.  Once they do start using product level tagging, 
it will be incredibly useful.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081


Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread wstephan
Department of Defense here in the States is doing a lot in the way of 
implementing RF ID into its supply chain, and I actually had some training on 
this stuff last week.  Apparently, there are two generations of chips out 
there, and I suspect without knowing, that the RNIB product uses the older and 
no longer exceptable to DOD generation.  In a supply system, there would be a 
computer on the back end of the reader somewhere, and there's no reason I can 
think of why it wouldn't be possible to use a reader chip reader in conjunction 
with a Pc with speech.  Obviously you wouldn't have the portability, but you 
wouldn't be limited to audio only either.

Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net 
Phone: (816)803-2469


- Original Message -
From: jim 
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.
> hi dan and every one else that doesn't know 
> the pen friend does not read bar codes. 
> it reads rfid tags. 
> thats why the pens can only use there tags and you have to be 
> carful what searies of tags you get. 
> i went to the rnib site and they  said they were rfid tags.jim 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
> 


Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Dan Rossi
Good catch Jim,

I didn't really investigate the pen friend because I don't consider it a 
good purchase for me.  Thanks for clearing it up though.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081


Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Tom Fowle
Jom,
good research, i missed that.
It'd be interesting to see how close two lables can be together without
interfeering with each other.
Our look at RFId shows this can be a real problem, but
they probably have the reader set to very short range.

thanks
Tom



Re: [BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread jim
hi dan and every one else that doesn't know
the pen friend does not read bar codes.
it reads rfid tags.
thats why the pens can only use there tags and you have to be carful what 
searies of tags you get.
i went to the rnib site and they  said they were rfid tags.jim


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[BlindHandyMan] Barcode scanning app for the IPhone.

2009-09-30 Thread Dan Rossi
Since it has come up about this spiffy new barcode pen thing, I thought 
people might be interested in the following.  A company, www.redlaser.com 
has developed a UPC barcode scanning app for the IPhone.  It uses the 
video buffer so can capture barcodes on the fly.  Below is a link to a 
youtube video, but since they aren't marketing to the blind, they don't 
have VoiceOver on, and there isn't much description, but you can hear the 
phone chirping every time it hits a barcode.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_hFGsmx_6k

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081