Re: [BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
Just a note of information. There are systems that use one unit for supplying both hot potable water, as well as hot water for heating the home. The house I grew up in had this type of system. There was a coil of Copper tube that ran through the boiler that supplied hot water for heat. So, yes, combined units do exist. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
Dan said: The house I grew up in had this type of system. There was a coil of Copper tube that ran through the boiler that supplied hot water for heat. So, yes, combined units do exist. Thank-you Dan. I have a hard time visualizing and explaining this 15 to 16 year old system. That added in takes the warm air in the house and reheats it, in the way it is set up. The first sales person, was here from Pine State Plumbing and Heating. I told him the situation. The first thing he noted the first thing was in older homes, such as this 155 year old home. Those different heating units were in. I said yes, first a coal stove and showed him the spot. Then switched to monitor heating. Then removed and Electric was installed and then removed and Forced hot-water was put in. He continued with that is why you have what they call a circular plumbing system for the forced-hot-water heating system. The fastest way and most in expensive way of installing, then. So, then we went to the basement to take a look at the system. He noted that the boiler was in good to very good shape for the age of, he thought 14.5 years old. I said I've been here since November of 1993 and it was there a year and half before. We got the age of the unit. He noted there is things they can do to improve the system for heating. As, I noted that when the Thermostat on the second floor is turned on it takes away from the performance of the first floor. Other words if the heat on the second floor is set at 68 and the one on the first floor is at 70, on the really cold days. The up-stairs is at 68 and the first floor drops to 67 to 65 degrees. The next thing was the coil and he looked at that. So, the bottom line was looking at rebuilding and up-dating the system. With a hot-water 45 gallon tank in which the coil would be removed and more reliable heat would be provided to having consisting hot water for personal use in the home. He noted that this would improve and that your system took the air from inside of the house and ran through the system again, like paying twice. The newer systems bring cold air from outside and heating at a faster level. So, then we talked about the new system. Which he agreed in both cases to send to myself in a word document of the work, name of the boiler and parts and all cost. As, I noted that it would make much easier for myself to read. He had no problem with doing that for myself. The bottom line was, taking into consideration of Portland, ME. Prices seem to be higher. Like our any taxes! A firm price will come in the attachment but felt comfortable in the attachment via E-mail. That being rebuilding the present unit somewhere in the ball park of $5,000.00 to no more than $6,000.00 and a brand new system Which I can't remember the name. He said $10,000.00 to $11,000.00 and with this brand new system it would be zoned for a hot-water 45 gallon tank, the boiler, two radiators for the basement to keep at 65 degrees or choice I wanted it, for the first floor and the second floor. That the piping going out side would be PVC? Going outside one for the intake and the other for the out or was all in one? Allot of information to remember. With a fine screen over so nothing would get in except bugs if they dared. As, he noted the unit would never be turned off because producing hot-water during the summer and heat and hot water for the winter. He did not this was from Europe as their cost of fuel and their development of a unit that is smaller and more efficient because of the cost of fuel there. Also noted the new unit is 93% more efficient. Compared to mine that is 80 to 85% efficient. I was surprised at the size he was talking about the new unit. So, I would like to share with someone on the list that has a lot of knowledge in Natural gas boilers if possible when it comes in, here. The second person is due here on Thursday. As, no matter this is a serious investment. Geno Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
Although that sounds a little expensive to me it also sounds like you are getting a high quality system witch will probably not cost you anything further for a long time. Do we assume that he will be using the existing radiators and plumbing or is he intending to replace them with new? Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Geno69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace Dan said: The house I grew up in had this type of system. There was a coil of Copper tube that ran through the boiler that supplied hot water for heat. So, yes, combined units do exist. Thank-you Dan. I have a hard time visualizing and explaining this 15 to 16 year old system. That added in takes the warm air in the house and reheats it, in the way it is set up. The first sales person, was here from Pine State Plumbing and Heating. I told him the situation. The first thing he noted the first thing was in older homes, such as this 155 year old home. Those different heating units were in. I said yes, first a coal stove and showed him the spot. Then switched to monitor heating. Then removed and Electric was installed and then removed and Forced hot-water was put in. He continued with that is why you have what they call a circular plumbing system for the forced-hot-water heating system. The fastest way and most in expensive way of installing, then. So, then we went to the basement to take a look at the system. He noted that the boiler was in good to very good shape for the age of, he thought 14.5 years old. I said I've been here since November of 1993 and it was there a year and half before. We got the age of the unit. He noted there is things they can do to improve the system for heating. As, I noted that when the Thermostat on the second floor is turned on it takes away from the performance of the first floor. Other words if the heat on the second floor is set at 68 and the one on the first floor is at 70, on the really cold days. The up-stairs is at 68 and the first floor drops to 67 to 65 degrees. The next thing was the coil and he looked at that. So, the bottom line was looking at rebuilding and up-dating the system. With a hot-water 45 gallon tank in which the coil would be removed and more reliable heat would be provided to having consisting hot water for personal use in the home. He noted that this would improve and that your system took the air from inside of the house and ran through the system again, like paying twice. The newer systems bring cold air from outside and heating at a faster level. So, then we talked about the new system. Which he agreed in both cases to send to myself in a word document of the work, name of the boiler and parts and all cost. As, I noted that it would make much easier for myself to read. He had no problem with doing that for myself. The bottom line was, taking into consideration of Portland, ME. Prices seem to be higher. Like our any taxes! A firm price will come in the attachment but felt comfortable in the attachment via E-mail. That being rebuilding the present unit somewhere in the ball park of $5,000.00 to no more than $6,000.00 and a brand new system Which I can't remember the name. He said $10,000.00 to $11,000.00 and with this brand new system it would be zoned for a hot-water 45 gallon tank, the boiler, two radiators for the basement to keep at 65 degrees or choice I wanted it, for the first floor and the second floor. That the piping going out side would be PVC? Going outside one for the intake and the other for the out or was all in one? Allot of information to remember. With a fine screen over so nothing would get in except bugs if they dared. As, he noted the unit would never be turned off because producing hot-water during the summer and heat and hot water for the winter. He did not this was from Europe as their cost of fuel and their development of a unit that is smaller and more efficient because of the cost of fuel there. Also noted the new unit is 93% more efficient. Compared to mine that is 80 to 85% efficient. I was surprised at the size he was talking about the new unit. So, I would like to share with someone on the list that has a lot of knowledge in Natural gas boilers if possible when it comes in, here. The second person is due here on Thursday. As, no matter this is a serious investment. Geno To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml
[BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
Dale, You noted: Although that sounds a little expensive to me it also sounds like you are getting a high quality system witch will probably not cost you anything further for a long time. Do we assume that he will be using the existing radiators and plumbing or is he intending to replace them with new? Dale, the only thing is going to be new, If, I go with the brand complete new system as noted for the price. It will be The existing baseboard forced hot-water system in place now on the first floor and the second floor. What is going to be new is in the basement. That being two radiators to heat the basement and the zone and thermostat to control them. A hot-water 45 gallon tank for personal use and it's own zone and control. The new boiler and all that involves. Referring to replumbing it all from what it is now and the venting. Along with the testing of filling the lines with water and making sure all the air bubbles are out of the baseboard lines and that the thermostat in the first floor and second floor are working correctly. He noted that this unit is much smaller and that it will take up a lot less space and something about a panel with clear distinct markers on controls for the unit. Unlike the one that is here now. Exhaust box that is on the outside, that I remove the cover and oil the motor once every six months. Which, is a simple thing with the bottle you by and it's narrow nose that slides out of the bottle and insert into the two different holes. Anyway, the new system only would have PCV piping for vent and new air coming in from the outside. Hope I said, It all right. Once I get the document. Dale I'll forward it to you and you can take a look. I just got off the phone with my brother-in-law, that does plumbing and heating in the south. He knew what I was talking about, but, had no knowledge of this new European heating system. Though, knew they have been around for the last 6 years in the US, and, have heard good things about them. He too thought a lot of money and wondered if union and labor for the price, too. Geno 27, February at: 8:46 PM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
Well, I have a question for you guys up in this area. First off the Unit I call a boiler and some call a furnace. Is Natural Gas, forced hot baseboard water heat. Along with a quick reclaim (if said right) for hot water for the personal use. The unit is between 15 and 16 years old. I keep the maintenance up on it. The baseboard is working just fine. Yet, now four days ago the personal use hot water has fallen. I had a guy come out and take a look and said, you would be better off getting a new Boiler/furnace and just replace the entire unit. So, I've called a couple of people. Two different companies coming. One a larger plumbing and heating company and one that came highly recommended in the same field for Natural Gas units. Here is the question. Am I better of biting the dust and dishing out the bucks for an entire new unit or try to convince either or both parties to repair just the quick reclaim hot water for personal use, knowing the age of the present unit? Thanks for the wise advice. Geno in Portland, ME. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
I don't quite understand what your furnace has to do with your hot water supply? Maybe it would be less expensive simply to have a water installed? Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
Hi, if it was up to me I would look at some of the new units they would ve a lot more efficient. A little more money up front will save you money in the long run... - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace I don't quite understand what your furnace has to do with your hot water supply? Maybe it would be less expensive simply to have a water installed? Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
Bill, I an all in one unit. Geno Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace
Unless there is something else substantially wrong with the system I don't see any reason to replace it. By 15 years ago they were making quite efficient units assuming yours is one of those. Generally they last a long time especially if they have well maintained. Unless you don't already have a closed combustion unit and are going to go to one you won't realize much fuel efficiency improvements. A new boiler will cost plenty and repairing the domestic hot water heater won't or shouldn't cost all that much and hold you over until you are truly ready to replace the boiler. If, on the other hand this unit uses a pilot light and an open flue up the chimney you can probably improve efficiency by 25 or 30% which, at today's gas prices should pay back in five or six years maybe a little more depending on your heating season. You shouldn't need any significant changes to your system just a new boiler and fire system unless you want to use the opportunity to separate off a zone or two which can also improve operating efficiency by leaving unused areas of the building unheated or with reduced heat. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Geno69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Boiler/Furnace Well, I have a question for you guys up in this area. First off the Unit I call a boiler and some call a furnace. Is Natural Gas, forced hot baseboard water heat. Along with a quick reclaim (if said right) for hot water for the personal use. The unit is between 15 and 16 years old. I keep the maintenance up on it. The baseboard is working just fine. Yet, now four days ago the personal use hot water has fallen. I had a guy come out and take a look and said, you would be better off getting a new Boiler/furnace and just replace the entire unit. So, I've called a couple of people. Two different companies coming. One a larger plumbing and heating company and one that came highly recommended in the same field for Natural Gas units. Here is the question. Am I better of biting the dust and dishing out the bucks for an entire new unit or try to convince either or both parties to repair just the quick reclaim hot water for personal use, knowing the age of the present unit? Thanks for the wise advice. Geno in Portland, ME. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 23/02/2007 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
