Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question:
The latex or rubber ones used by many to hand wash dishes can be used. If you still feel some fear put on a pair of leather ones over the rubber. You can also use a pair of well insulated pliers to grab onto the connectors and pull the wires out that way. - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question: thanks Ron, I was picturing an extra junction box up in the crawl space but of course the light ceiling box is right there in the hall so that's likely the point where everything might be accessible. I did check all the breakers of course and all the fuses. I don't think it's likely on the neighbor's circuit as not at all close to the common wall which is thankfully between the garages. looking for a good set of rubber gloves first of course. Tom Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question:
Well how safe do you want to be? The snug super thin Doctor exam glove would have enough insulation value, but how well do they protect from puncture of ends of wires or sharp corners. Hence the suggestion for leather outer protectors as they are technically called. They make a fairly substansal latex glove used for hand dishwashing or other messy duties that with leather gloves over will protect quite well. The feeling feedback kind of sucks, but one can't have everything. As for working inside the panel box, remember we are protecting against the voltage or voltage pressure that might go through your insulated gloves. The voltage to ground is the same there as in the outlet box, 120 . If you touch both bus bars with opposite hands then you have a possibility of 240 volts across the heart. Therefore some people try to work with one hand in their pocket. I could never do this, but it is a suggestion. I don't see any reason you shouldn't be able to replace the two pole 240 breaker with two 20 amp breakers. Make sure you are connecting number 12 wire to them for the new circuit. In some brands they make a tandem breaker which fits into a single space and has two ciruits of 120 volts. Both are on the same leg so there is not 240 between but it is a easy way to add additional circuit spaces without a new box if yours is out of space. So you might be able to remove the two pole 240 volt breaker and end up with four circuits. Westinghouse, GE and Square D are the brands that come to mind that have made them. You may have to go to a electrical supplier to get them. Ron - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question: This brings up a question on my part. 120 volts itself is painful, but less likely to kill you than lets say poking about inside a 200 amp breaker box. So how thick does a set of rubber gloves need to be for handling just a simple 120 15 amp circuit and how thick would gloves need to be to poke about in a 200 amp breaker box. I'm talking about putting your gloved hand on the bussbar. grin Seriously thoughI am curious. I've a project coming up that I'd like to perform, but I'm needing to possibly work with a situation where handling a 120 volt line is necessary since I have no clue where the hell the breaker is for this circuit. Once I get these projects done, I'm making a sheet up in braille and print that clearly indicates what breaker controls which circuit and where. I also have a 240 volt breaker in my box that I'd like to remove and convert into two 120 15 amp circuits or possible 20 amp circuits if the box will handle it. I will probably get a friend who is a master electrician to do this,b ut I am curious what I can do on my own and with as muc safety in mind as possible. Obviously any dead circuit is a good circuit. tnx Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question:
Thanks Ron, I wasn't overly sure where the dialectric or the breakdown point at which the insulating value would be over run by the current. I would certianly do my level best to never touch the busbar with both hands, but more a possible rub against it or something. I'd like just call the electric company and ask they pull the meter head for a couple of hours or just kill all the power in the box from the main switch and stay away from the upper half. I forget how the box is laid out, but I believe there's a portion where its hot even when the main switch is opened , but the box is effectively dead. Like I said, I'd probably get someone who is licensed to at least supervise to be sure I don't do something against code. The prior owners were super stupid people. They had several 20-amp breakers on circuits rated for 15 amps which created one hell of a potential problem and to think they had children living in the house. So, they were made to replace those before we would settle on the house. Amazing what people will do and risks they'll take. And to think if there had been a fire, an insurance company would never had paid that claim. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question:
Yes replacing a 15 amp breaker with a 20 has been done a lot just to prevent so called nuisence tripping, but it still anin't right. Still not as bad as putting the 30 amp time delay plug fuses on a no. 14 wire as I have witnessed in many older homes. In my personal no. 14 wire should only be used for signal and control circuits. Perhaps smoke, fire detection in residences. Any light or power circuits need to no. 12 on a 20 amp circiit otherwise you are wasting panel space and wire. Again just a personal bias. Ron - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question: Thanks Ron, I wasn't overly sure where the dialectric or the breakdown point at which the insulating value would be over run by the current. I would certianly do my level best to never touch the busbar with both hands, but more a possible rub against it or something. I'd like just call the electric company and ask they pull the meter head for a couple of hours or just kill all the power in the box from the main switch and stay away from the upper half. I forget how the box is laid out, but I believe there's a portion where its hot even when the main switch is opened , but the box is effectively dead. Like I said, I'd probably get someone who is licensed to at least supervise to be sure I don't do something against code. The prior owners were super stupid people. They had several 20-amp breakers on circuits rated for 15 amps which created one hell of a potential problem and to think they had children living in the house. So, they were made to replace those before we would settle on the house. Amazing what people will do and risks they'll take. And to think if there had been a fire, an insurance company would never had paid that claim. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Dale, thanks that's about what I thought and it's nice to have confirmation. I am sure we don't have aluminum wire, if we did I'd be in there right now to be sure nothing has gone high resistance. I always hate to turn off all the power if i don't have too, so much junk needs resetting GRIN Maybe I'll wait till the power fails due to a storm and then turn off the breakers and see what i can find. Thanks tom Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question:
thanks Ron, I was picturing an extra junction box up in the crawl space but of course the light ceiling box is right there in the hall so that's likely the point where everything might be accessible. I did check all the breakers of course and all the fuses. I don't think it's likely on the neighbor's circuit as not at all close to the common wall which is thankfully between the garages. looking for a good set of rubber gloves first of course. Tom Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question:
In our 1960s build duplex, we have a single outlet and a hall light that have failed. Due to this failure I moved the portable heater which was the only thing on that outlet to anothere socket, unknowingly putting it on the same circuit as a bathroom ceiling fan/heater combo. Not surprisingly when both heaters were on, the fuse blew. Replaced the fuse, all is well and we'll just not run both heaters at same time. There is no where else to plug in the portable heater. My questions are: 1. how paranoid should I be about a single portion of a circuit that has failed? If I can do without that socket and light, can I just forget them? 2. If not, how might one go about figuring out what's wrong? I don't even know which circuit the failed systems are on. I believe the wiring is in the attic crawl space which is now full of glass insulation, so not a wonderfull place to go crawling about following wires even were I so inclined. Thoughts from those with more house type experience would be appreciated. I do not want to call an electrician unless real danger might be involved, I can do without the outlet and hall light. thanks tom Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question:
I would suspect that there is a blown fuse or tripped breaker. You said duplex. Is there separate electrical services for each of the two residences? If so, you should check all the fuses or breakers for both residents. You may find a blown fuse or tripped breaker for your neighbor that is for the receptacle and light in the hall. - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 20:38 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question: In our 1960s build duplex, we have a single outlet and a hall light that have failed. Due to this failure I moved the portable heater which was the only thing on that outlet to anothere socket, unknowingly putting it on the same circuit as a bathroom ceiling fan/heater combo. Not surprisingly when both heaters were on, the fuse blew. Replaced the fuse, all is well and we'll just not run both heaters at same time. There is no where else to plug in the portable heater. My questions are: 1. how paranoid should I be about a single portion of a circuit that has failed? If I can do without that socket and light, can I just forget them? 2. If not, how might one go about figuring out what's wrong? I don't even know which circuit the failed systems are on. I believe the wiring is in the attic crawl space which is now full of glass insulation, so not a wonderfull place to go crawling about following wires even were I so inclined. Thoughts from those with more house type experience would be appreciated. I do not want to call an electrician unless real danger might be involved, I can do without the outlet and hall light. thanks tom Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question:
This is a very idea to check first. I would usually remove the main cover and check power on the breaker or fuse. Amazing how many breakers will be tripped and not appear to be. As for doing without it I don't see any hazard. If the light is flickering off and on then you have sparking which is not good. If you wish to fix this I would open up the switch box first, then the outlet box and finally the ceiling box. At one of these places I would guess a wire connection has corrorded or overheated. You did say a electric heater had been on this. These can be heavy current pullers and if it was a marginal connection to begin with it may have overheated and broken down.. But I am betting that puulling wires out of the boxes will show something coming apart in your hand. If you turn the light to the on position and plug a light into the outlet and have someone watching one or both may flash as soon as you get into a box which helps locate the problem. A good pair of leather or rubber gloves would be advised if you have real poor vision. Once it stays on a little then you can find the correct breaker to shut off. Killing the main should shut it off but not if it is wired from the other residence. Good luck. Yes it might even be in a outlet just before these two. Banging on the wall around these others may show something if the first three don't show something. If not then you would have to open up everything close to the area. Most people will wire so all junctions are accessable from the living quarter but it isn't impossible. The junctions just have to be assesible, not easy access. Ron - Original Message - From: NLG To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question: I would suspect that there is a blown fuse or tripped breaker. You said duplex. Is there separate electrical services for each of the two residences? If so, you should check all the fuses or breakers for both residents. You may find a blown fuse or tripped breaker for your neighbor that is for the receptacle and light in the hall. - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 20:38 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Electric house wiring question: In our 1960s build duplex, we have a single outlet and a hall light that have failed. Due to this failure I moved the portable heater which was the only thing on that outlet to anothere socket, unknowingly putting it on the same circuit as a bathroom ceiling fan/heater combo. Not surprisingly when both heaters were on, the fuse blew. Replaced the fuse, all is well and we'll just not run both heaters at same time. There is no where else to plug in the portable heater. My questions are: 1. how paranoid should I be about a single portion of a circuit that has failed? If I can do without that socket and light, can I just forget them? 2. If not, how might one go about figuring out what's wrong? I don't even know which circuit the failed systems are on. I believe the wiring is in the attic crawl space which is now full of glass insulation, so not a wonderfull place to go crawling about following wires even were I so inclined. Thoughts from those with more house type experience would be appreciated. I do not want to call an electrician unless real danger might be involved, I can do without the outlet and hall light. thanks tom Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http
