Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis
I see that Lenny has already found the article about electrolysis again, but I would just like to take the opportunity to remind people that there is an archive of every message that goes to this list. The URL for the archive can be found at the bottom of every message that goes to this list. I just clicked on the archive url, typed electrolysis in the search box, and poof, in less than 90 seconds of work, I had the original article in hand. The archive page and the files page are really excellent resources. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis
Nice catch Dan, However for those of us who are not geek squad want-to-be's some times that search can be frustrating at best and absolutely draconian at worst. I tried one evening to nail down the subject of Circ Saw Guides and ended up having to drink several beers and listen to some Eric Clapton to ease the frustration. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:20 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis I see that Lenny has already found the article about electrolysis again, but I would just like to take the opportunity to remind people that there is an archive of every message that goes to this list. The URL for the archive can be found at the bottom of every message that goes to this list. I just clicked on the archive url, typed electrolysis in the search box, and poof, in less than 90 seconds of work, I had the original article in hand. The archive page and the files page are really excellent resources. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 157607422) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157607422m=ffc611558201c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157607422m=ffc611558201c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157607422m=ffc611558201c=f -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
[BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis
A few weeks ago an article about using electrolysis to clean corroded metals was posted. I was unaware that a car battery and patience could render terrific results. I have a 30-year-old garden tiller with a tine hub that has been frozen onto the power axel for over 10-years. I decided to clean up the machine and I was going to get that stubborn hub off. My first attempt with a 6-inch wheel puller broke the puller. With a new puller I then tried penetrating oil, hammering and heat. That did not work either. Then I tried the electrolysis. After 6-days of the hub/axel brewing I finally pulled it apart today. Thank you for that post about electrolysis. - Gil Laster Charlotte, NC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis
Lenny, If you still have that information, could you send it to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The original must have gotten hung up in my spam program. TNX Larry -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:13 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis Hi Gil, I am glad that it helped someone else. The old tool that I had cleaned looks like new. It is amazing how science can do the hard work while you sit back and watch. - Original Message - From: Gil Laster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Post to Blind Handyman blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis A few weeks ago an article about using electrolysis to clean corroded metals was posted. I was unaware that a car battery and patience could render terrific results. I have a 30-year-old garden tiller with a tine hub that has been frozen onto the power axel for over 10-years. I decided to clean up the machine and I was going to get that stubborn hub off. My first attempt with a 6-inch wheel puller broke the puller. With a new puller I then tried penetrating oil, hammering and heat. That did not work either. Then I tried the electrolysis. After 6-days of the hub/axel brewing I finally pulled it apart today. Thank you for that post about electrolysis. - Gil Laster Charlotte, NC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 157456864) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=f -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
RE: [Bulk] RE: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis
How about just reposting it instead. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:55 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Bulk] RE: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis Lenny, If you still have that information, could you send it to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:larrys%40infowest.com The original must have gotten hung up in my spam program. TNX Larry -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:13 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis Hi Gil, I am glad that it helped someone else. The old tool that I had cleaned looks like new. It is amazing how science can do the hard work while you sit back and watch. - Original Message - From: Gil Laster [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:glaster%40carolina.rr.com To: Post to Blind Handyman blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis A few weeks ago an article about using electrolysis to clean corroded metals was posted. I was unaware that a car battery and patience could render terrific results. I have a 30-year-old garden tiller with a tine hub that has been frozen onto the power axel for over 10-years. I decided to clean up the machine and I was going to get that stubborn hub off. My first attempt with a 6-inch wheel puller broke the puller. With a new puller I then tried penetrating oil, hammering and heat. That did not work either. Then I tried the electrolysis. After 6-days of the hub/axel brewing I finally pulled it apart today. Thank you for that post about electrolysis. - Gil Laster Charlotte, NC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 157456864) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=s https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=n https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=f https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=f -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis
I will have to search for it. I think I know where I located it. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis Lenny, If you still have that information, could you send it to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The original must have gotten hung up in my spam program. TNX Larry -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:13 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis Hi Gil, I am glad that it helped someone else. The old tool that I had cleaned looks like new. It is amazing how science can do the hard work while you sit back and watch. - Original Message - From: Gil Laster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Post to Blind Handyman blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis A few weeks ago an article about using electrolysis to clean corroded metals was posted. I was unaware that a car battery and patience could render terrific results. I have a 30-year-old garden tiller with a tine hub that has been frozen onto the power axel for over 10-years. I decided to clean up the machine and I was going to get that stubborn hub off. My first attempt with a 6-inch wheel puller broke the puller. With a new puller I then tried penetrating oil, hammering and heat. That did not work either. Then I tried the electrolysis. After 6-days of the hub/axel brewing I finally pulled it apart today. Thank you for that post about electrolysis. - Gil Laster Charlotte, NC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 157456864) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=157456864m=0de5a7501075c=f -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
[BlindHandyMan] Electrolysis Cleaning Method
I had a few old tools that a friend cleaned for me. One was a very old Braille square. He first found the information on a ham radio forum. I could not locate the information that he used but located the following. NEWS -- Warning I have been made aware of the potential health problems with the use of stainless steel for the positive electrode. The stainless breaks down and releases chromium into the liquid electrolyte and a gas can be released (in the form of the compound hexavalent chromium) in the mist directly above the bath. Studies have shown that repeated and long term exposure to the liquid increase the risk of skin problems and repeated, long term inhalation of fumes increase the risk of lung cancer. For the most part, the users of this process are not exposed to levels that should cause immmediate concern. The studies have been performed on those who do this as a daily job over a long period. It is probably best not to use stainless material but if it is, wear protective gloves when working in the liquid and adequate vetilation and/or breathing protection should be used. An electrolysis primer - Introduction One of the most tedious jobs we encounter while restoring old iron is the process of removing many layers of paint and rust as well as freeing up seized bolts and pistons. The following introduces you to a method of parts cleaning that has proven to be the most effective means of de-rusting and paint removal I have ever used. Background The electrolysis process has been used by achivists for years to clean metal objects. I saw a show where a 1700's vintage French brass cannon was cleaned to reveal the complete Royal Insignia, and this was after 250 years in the sea. I had always expected it was too expensive and complex but it is not. I can personally vouch for this process since it was used exclusively for the cleaning and un-seizing of my own engines and machinery. Anyone who has ever tried to clean up rusty iron (or any metal) will embrace this method with a passion equal to their love for the object itself. A specific experience with this process has been recently tested when I overhauled a Type J, twin cylinder Atlantic Marine Engine. This engine was no exception to the state in which we often find our engines. The parts that were not covered in 10 layers of paint, were heavily encrusted with rust and many parts (including both pistons) were seized solid. The engine is now completely apart and clean using electrolysis exclusively and without the use of rotary wire brushes, chisels, flame heat or excessive force. And it is cheap and easy to implement and is even more environmentally friendly than the use of caustic and petroleum-based cleaners. There are no foul odors and the solution ( if you use washing soda) is not irritating to the skin. What is Electrolysis? For the purposes of the information contained herein, electrolysis is a process that passes an electric current through an Electrolyte, causing the migration of the positively charged ions to the negative electrode (cathode) and the negatively charged ions to the positive electrode (anode). Simply put, if you connect a power supply to a container of liquid with 2 rods immmersed in the liquid, chemical changes occur to both the rods, which must be a metal, and the liquid, (electrolyte). The process of electrolysis is not new, in fact it is as old as electricity itself. The same process occurs naturally when a metal in the environment is exposed to a reactive liquid such as salt. A small battery is created. Lead-acid batterys of today produce power by the process and electroplating is performed by using electrolysis. For our purposes, we are trying to remove paint, grease and rust from metal. Rust and corrosion is formed by electrolysis. We will use the same method to remove it, and more. Electrolyte - A substance, in solution with water or another liquid, which is chemically changed by passage of electric current throught it. The electrolyte we use and refer to is the substance you mix with water in a bucket into which you place an electrode and the part you wish to clean. Ion - An atom or group of atoms that carries a positive or negative electric charge as a result of having lost or gained one or more electrons. The particles of metal which travel from the part being cleaned to the electrode are in the form of ions. An atom of iron (for example), once acted upon electrically through an electrolyte, is broken away from the base metal and becomes an ion with a negative charge. It travels through the electrically conductive electrolyte and goes to the electrode since it has an affinity (attraction) for the positive electrode. At that point the ion will lose its negative charge and either stick to the electrode or drop to the bottom of the bucket. If the particle is small and
