[BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[john schwery]

Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper.  My 
wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this.

text of forwarded message follows:

>Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip
>Friday, February 19, 2010
>Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>
>When water is dripping down your walls and 
>pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>
>Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and 
>insurance agents have for the thousands of 
>homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>
>If you are one of them, your best hope for 
>relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon.
>
>"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from 
>gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news 
>for homeowners and for us," said David Thomas of 
>Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>
>Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly 
>two dozen homeowners complaining of interior 
>leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more.
>
>As long as temperatures stay around freezing, 
>snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze 
>on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back 
>water behind it. That water works its way 
>through the shingles -- even climbing up a 
>pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, 
>damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>
>So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop 
>up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole 
>in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see.
>
>Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about 
>four days ago, he and his wife noticed water 
>dripping down a window in the dining room of 
>their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing 
>happened in their living room and two bedrooms.
>
>"Since it was a little warmer today, it's 
>getting heavier," he said Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
>
>The Greggs replace soaked towels on the 
>windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't 
>filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know.
>
>Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be 
>covered. And since large insurance carriers have 
>designated this a catastrophe loss, homeowners' 
>rates generally won't be affected.
>
>However, that doesn't mean insurance companies 
>will replace your roof, or pay to make sure this 
>doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to 
>wait until the ice and snow are gone.
>
>Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire 
>or tape that can be plugged into an outlet -- 
>will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to 
>allow water to run off. An even better solution 
>is to have a roofer install an ice and water 
>shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of 
>shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will 
>prevent water trapped behind an ice dam from getting through.
>
>But no one -- roofers included -- should be 
>working up there now. Even if you could safely 
>work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or 
>chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse.
>
>So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the 
>roof and pray that temperatures drop into the 
>20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it can't drip into your house.
>
>Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, 
>and that ice in the gutters finally melts.
>
>Read more: 
>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f
>
> From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather 
> is:  Silver Springs, Florida Clear, 42°F Wind:N-010° at 3mph
>Only a fool tests the depth of the water with both feet.
>Anna
text of forwarded message ends:

John
Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 64°F Wind:SSW-200° at 6mph
Lactomangulation: Manhandling the 'open here' 
spout on a milk container so badly that one has 
to resort to the 'illegal' side.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[jim]

wow that is the problem i have had for 3 years now.
and its a real drag as it just loves to leak over my side of the bed.
aaarg is that cold when you don't expect it at 3 in the morning.
this year i had a kid come over and use a snow rake to rake the snow off of the 
roof.
also it leaked between the the front door frame and the inner wall.
causing the door frame to squeeze in and keep the door from closing.
finally i got smart and let a space heater blow on the wall and frame for about 
5 hours and it melted the ice in there and let me close the door.
Jim in Minnesota


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Dale Leavens]

Sometimes what you are finding is from condensation on the under side of the 
roof deck. When it is cold, moisture from inside the heated space escaping up 
into the attic space condenses on the cold under side of the roof deck. It 
freezes there and the ice builds up on the under side of the roof deck. when 
things warm up the ice melts and the water falls soaking any ceiling insulation 
until it begins dripping through.

We have had many discussions here on the various merits of attic ventilation 
and of course vapour barriers. Tings like light junction boxes are quite large 
ports for escaping moisture and it is why things like bathroom fans should not 
vent directly into attic spaces.


If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: jim 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!



  wow that is the problem i have had for 3 years now.
  and its a real drag as it just loves to leak over my side of the bed.
  aaarg is that cold when you don't expect it at 3 in the morning.
  this year i had a kid come over and use a snow rake to rake the snow off of 
the roof.
  also it leaked between the the front door frame and the inner wall.
  causing the door frame to squeeze in and keep the door from closing.
  finally i got smart and let a space heater blow on the wall and frame for 
about 5 hours and it melted the ice in there and let me close the door.
  Jim in Minnesota

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Dave Andrus]

Hi everyone, 

I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic.  When the
sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
heat coming up from the rooms below. 

Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. 

Dave A.



Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
Jesus

Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
Lutheran Blind Mission
888 215 2455
HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

  

Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
gets articles like this.

text of forwarded message follows:

>Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 
>2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>
>When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you 
>don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>
>Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have 
>for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>
>If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures 
>go up or down -- soon.
>
>"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very 
>picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David 
>Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>
>Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners 
>complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's 
>expecting a lot more.
>
>As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will 
>continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds 
>back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- 
>even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, 
>damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>
>So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can 
>see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you 
>can't see.
>
>Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his 
>wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 
>50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room 
>and two bedrooms.
>
>"Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said 
>Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
>
>The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or 
>so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should 
>let Mr. Thomas know.
>
>Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since 
>large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, 
>homeowners'
>rates generally won't be affected.
>
>However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof, 
>or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to 
>wait until the ice and snow are gone.
>
>Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be 
>plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to 
>allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer 
>install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of 
>shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped 
>behind an ice dam from getting through.
>
>But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. Even 
>if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or 
>chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse.
>
>So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that 
>temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it 
>can't drip into your house.
>
>Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the 
>gutters finally melts.
>
>Read more: 
><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f 
><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f> 
>>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f 
><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f>
>
> From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather
> is: Silver 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Spiro]

this sounds like there are some serious inner structural events going on.
When we get out of the recession, get a rubber roof; and one for me too, 
okay?





On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, jim wrote:

> wow that is the problem i have had for 3 years now.
> and its a real drag as it just loves to leak over my side of the bed.
> aaarg is that cold when you don't expect it at 3 in the morning.
> this year i had a kid come over and use a snow rake to rake the snow off of 
> the roof.
> also it leaked between the the front door frame and the inner wall.
> causing the door frame to squeeze in and keep the door from closing.
> finally i got smart and let a space heater blow on the wall and frame for 
> about 5 hours and it melted the ice in there and let me close the door.
> Jim in Minnesota
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Lenny McHugh]

I wonder what caused the problem at my daughter's home. Her front porch is 
on the south west side of the house. Right now there is a major leak 
somewhere on the porch roof. There was about 30 inches of snow. Now the 
downspout is frozen solid and some major ice dams and icicles. There is no 
heat source under the roof,
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Andrus" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!


Hi everyone,

I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic.  When the
sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
heat coming up from the rooms below.

Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.

Dave A.



Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
Jesus

Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
Lutheran Blind Mission
888 215 2455
HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!



Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
gets articles like this.

text of forwarded message follows:

>Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19,
>2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>
>When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you
>don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>
>Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have
>for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>
>If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures
>go up or down -- soon.
>
>"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very
>picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David
>Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>
>Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners
>complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's
>expecting a lot more.
>
>As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will
>continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds
>back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- 
>even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls,
>damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>
>So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can
>see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you
>can't see.
>
>Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his
>wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their
>50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room
>and two bedrooms.
>
>"Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said
>Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
>
>The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or
>so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should
>let Mr. Thomas know.
>
>Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since
>large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss,
>homeowners'
>rates generally won't be affected.
>
>However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof,
>or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to
>wait until the ice and snow are gone.
>
>Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be
>plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to
>allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer
>install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of
>shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped
>behind an ice dam from getting through.
>
>But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. Even
>if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or
>chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse.
>
>So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that
>temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it
>can't drip into your house.
>
>Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that i

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Dale Leavens]

There may be no direct heat source but, might there be sun warming the porch or 
was it maybe stuck on to keep cold entering the house through the door in which 
case it is also harvesting heat from inside the door.

The snow on the roof will insulate the under side of the decking from the cold 
above so heat from below will melt the snow immediately above the roof. Well 
until the water runs over the eve where it is cold and freezes again forming 
the dam.

It might also be that the leak is where the roof of the porch meets the house 
depending on how that structure was built.


If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lenny McHugh 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!



  I wonder what caused the problem at my daughter's home. Her front porch is 
  on the south west side of the house. Right now there is a major leak 
  somewhere on the porch roof. There was about 30 inches of snow. Now the 
  downspout is frozen solid and some major ice dams and icicles. There is no 
  heat source under the roof,
  - Original Message - 
  From: "Dave Andrus" 
  To: 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

  Hi everyone,

  I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
  icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the
  sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
  and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
  heat coming up from the rooms below.

  Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
  find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
  and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.

  Dave A.

  Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
  Jesus

  Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
  Lutheran Blind Mission
  888 215 2455
  HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

  Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
  gets articles like this.

  text of forwarded message follows:

  >Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19,
  >2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
  >
  >When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you
  >don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
  >
  >Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have
  >for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
  >
  >If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures
  >go up or down -- soon.
  >
  >"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very
  >picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David
  >Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
  >
  >Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners
  >complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's
  >expecting a lot more.
  >
  >As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will
  >continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds
  >back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- 
  >even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls,
  >damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
  >
  >So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can
  >see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you
  >can't see.
  >
  >Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his
  >wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their
  >50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room
  >and two bedrooms.
  >
  >"Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said
  >Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
  >
  >The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or
  >so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should
  >let Mr. Thomas know.
  >
  >Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since
  >large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss,
  >homeowners'
  >rates generally won't be affected.
  >
  >However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof,
  >or pay to make 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Bob Kennedy]

They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air conditioning 
in the house during the summer.  Thank God there  is not enough snow to worry 
about any longer.  Those years in Buffalo still bring bad memories now and 
then...
- Original Message - 
From: Dave Andrus 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!


  
Hi everyone, 

I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the
sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
heat coming up from the rooms below. 

Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. 

Dave A.

Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
Jesus

Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
Lutheran Blind Mission
888 215 2455
HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
gets articles like this.

text of forwarded message follows:

>Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 
>2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>
>When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you 
>don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>
>Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have 
>for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>
>If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures 
>go up or down -- soon.
>
>"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very 
>picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David 
>Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>
>Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners 
>complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's 
>expecting a lot more.
>
>As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will 
>continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds 
>back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- 
>even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, 
>damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>
>So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can 
>see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you 
>can't see.
>
>Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his 
>wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 
>50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room 
>and two bedrooms.
>
>"Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said 
>Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
>
>The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or 
>so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should 
>let Mr. Thomas know.
>
>Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since 
>large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, 
>homeowners'
>rates generally won't be affected.
>
>However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof, 
>or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to 
>wait until the ice and snow are gone.
>
>Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be 
>plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to 
>allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer 
>install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of 
>shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped 
>behind an ice dam from getting through.
>
>But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. Even 
>if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or 
>chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse.
>
>So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that 
>temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it 
>can't drip into your house.
>
>Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the 
>gutters fin

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[jim]

yep sure will a rubber roof with steel over it.
i mean if were going to do it lets do it good.
jim


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Tom Hodges]

Which proves my point, wait untill spring.

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:14 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

 

  

Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My 
wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this.

text of forwarded message follows:

>Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip
>Friday, February 19, 2010
>Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>
>When water is dripping down your walls and 
>pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>
>Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and 
>insurance agents have for the thousands of 
>homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>
>If you are one of them, your best hope for 
>relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon.
>
>"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from 
>gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news 
>for homeowners and for us," said David Thomas of 
>Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>
>Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly 
>two dozen homeowners complaining of interior 
>leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more.
>
>As long as temperatures stay around freezing, 
>snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze 
>on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back 
>water behind it. That water works its way 
>through the shingles -- even climbing up a 
>pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, 
>damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>
>So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop 
>up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole 
>in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see.
>
>Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about 
>four days ago, he and his wife noticed water 
>dripping down a window in the dining room of 
>their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing 
>happened in their living room and two bedrooms.
>
>"Since it was a little warmer today, it's 
>getting heavier," he said Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
>
>The Greggs replace soaked towels on the 
>windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't 
>filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know.
>
>Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be 
>covered. And since large insurance carriers have 
>designated this a catastrophe loss, homeowners' 
>rates generally won't be affected.
>
>However, that doesn't mean insurance companies 
>will replace your roof, or pay to make sure this 
>doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to 
>wait until the ice and snow are gone.
>
>Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire 
>or tape that can be plugged into an outlet -- 
>will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to 
>allow water to run off. An even better solution 
>is to have a roofer install an ice and water 
>shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of 
>shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will 
>prevent water trapped behind an ice dam from getting through.
>
>But no one -- roofers included -- should be 
>working up there now. Even if you could safely 
>work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or 
>chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse.
>
>So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the 
>roof and pray that temperatures drop into the 
>20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it can't drip into your house.
>
>Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, 
>and that ice in the gutters finally melts.
>
>Read more: 
><http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f>http://
www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f
>
> From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather 
> is: Silver Springs, Florida Clear, 42°F Wind:N-010° at 3mph
>Only a fool tests the depth of the water with both feet.
>Anna
text of forwarded message ends:

John
Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 64°F Wind:SSW-200° at 6mph
Lactomangulation: Manhandling the 'open here' 
spout on a milk container so badly that one has 
to resort to the 'illegal' side.
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Tom Hodges]

Why don’t you just throw some of that majestic ice melt up there?

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:26 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

 

  

There may be no direct heat source but, might there be sun warming the porch
or was it maybe stuck on to keep cold entering the house through the door in
which case it is also harvesting heat from inside the door.

The snow on the roof will insulate the under side of the decking from the
cold above so heat from below will melt the snow immediately above the roof.
Well until the water runs over the eve where it is cold and freezes again
forming the dam.

It might also be that the leak is where the roof of the porch meets the
house depending on how that structure was built.

If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
- Original Message - 
From: Lenny McHugh 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

I wonder what caused the problem at my daughter's home. Her front porch is 
on the south west side of the house. Right now there is a major leak 
somewhere on the porch roof. There was about 30 inches of snow. Now the 
downspout is frozen solid and some major ice dams and icicles. There is no 
heat source under the roof,
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Andrus" mailto:dave.andrus%40blindmission.org> >
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

Hi everyone,

I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the
sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
heat coming up from the rooms below.

Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.

Dave A.

Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
Jesus

Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
Lutheran Blind Mission
888 215 2455
HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
gets articles like this.

text of forwarded message follows:

>Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19,
>2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>
>When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you
>don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>
>Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have
>for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>
>If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures
>go up or down -- soon.
>
>"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very
>picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David
>Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>
>Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners
>complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's
>expecting a lot more.
>
>As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will
>continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds
>back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- 
>even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls,
>damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>
>So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can
>see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you
>can't see.
>
>Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his
>wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their
>50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room
>and two bedrooms.
>
>"Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said
>Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
>
>The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or
>so. They hav

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Scott Howell]

Hi,

I could easily see how this is a problem.  I just added insulation to 
my attic and it was R30, which was rolled out over what was already there.  The 
way my attic is configured is that at the ends of the roof, there is an empty 
area, which I gather is called the eves. The reason why I say gather is because 
what is interesting to me and I can't compare this to any other roofs as I have 
not crawled into a tun of attics, but there are vented panels that are on the 
underside of the roof. These have no wood, they are instead open. What I mean 
is if you removed the panels, you would be able to put your hand directly into 
the attic and touch the underside of the roof. So, I did not put insulation 
clear to the edge, but instead took it out to just the point behind this open 
area because I did not want to block the airflow. So, I found some small ice 
sickles, which seem to be more likely water that may have run backward or maybe 
more accurately off the edge of the gutter and flowed back under the eve. I'm 
making an assumption here because the ice sickles just seem to be hanging 
there, not quite attached to a flow, other than what was coming down over the 
edge of the gutter. When I have the roof replaced at some point and I mean 
replaced, not reshingled, I will check into barriers etc. I have not gone into 
the attic to see what is going on and I probably should. So, far we have not 
noticed any water coming into the home and I did go up and tear off the leaf 
guard things and busted up a lot of the ice in the gutters. So, maybe this will 
help get things flowing properly. :)
This has been the worst WInter I can recall.  And imagine, it will apparently 
rain or snow some on MOnday, which should add insult to injury.
On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:

> Hi everyone, 
> 
> I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
> icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the
> sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
> and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
> heat coming up from the rooms below. 
> 
> Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
> find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
> and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. 
> 
> Dave A.
> 
> Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
> Jesus
> 
> Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> Lutheran Blind Mission
> 888 215 2455
> HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of john schwery
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> 
> Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
> gets articles like this.
> 
> text of forwarded message follows:
> 
> >Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 
> >2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
> >
> >When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you 
> >don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
> >
> >Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have 
> >for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
> >
> >If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures 
> >go up or down -- soon.
> >
> >"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very 
> >picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David 
> >Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
> >
> >Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners 
> >complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's 
> >expecting a lot more.
> >
> >As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will 
> >continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds 
> >back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- 
> >even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, 
> >damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
> >
> >So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can 
> >see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you 
> >can't see.
> >
> >Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his 
> >wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 
> >50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living ro

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Dave Andrus]

Hi Scott, 

It does sound like you have insulated well. That is good. You are correct.
There does need to be airflow and so not covering up the vents at the end
was a good thing. 

Sometimes icicles do happen. 

Dave A. 


Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
Jesus

Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
Lutheran Blind Mission
888 215 2455
HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:42 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

Hi,

I could easily see how this is a problem.  I just added insulation
to my attic and it was R30, which was rolled out over what was already
there.  The way my attic is configured is that at the ends of the roof,
there is an empty area, which I gather is called the eves. The reason why I
say gather is because what is interesting to me and I can't compare this to
any other roofs as I have not crawled into a tun of attics, but there are
vented panels that are on the underside of the roof. These have no wood,
they are instead open. What I mean is if you removed the panels, you would
be able to put your hand directly into the attic and touch the underside of
the roof. So, I did not put insulation clear to the edge, but instead took
it out to just the point behind this open area because I did not want to
block the airflow. So, I found some small ice sickles, which seem to be more
likely water that may have run backward or maybe more accurately off the
edge of the gutter and flowed back under the eve. I'm making an assumption
here because the ice sickles just seem to be hanging there, not quite
attached to a flow, other than what was coming down over the edge of the
gutter. When I have the roof replaced at some point and I mean replaced, not
reshingled, I will check into barriers etc. I have not gone into the attic
to see what is going on and I probably should. So, far we have not noticed
any water coming into the home and I did go up and tear off the leaf guard
things and busted up a lot of the ice in the gutters. So, maybe this will
help get things flowing properly. :) This has been the worst WInter I can
recall.  And imagine, it will apparently rain or snow some on MOnday, which
should add insult to injury.
On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have 
> icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When 
> the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you 
> have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can 
> only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below.
> 
> Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest 
> you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. 
> Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
> 
> Dave A.
> 
> Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the 
> cross of Jesus
> 
> Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> Lutheran Blind Mission
> 888 215 2455
> HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of john schwery
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> 
> Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh 
> and gets articles like this.
> 
> text of forwarded message follows:
> 
> >Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 
> >2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
> >
> >When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you 
> >don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
> >
> >Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents 
> >have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
> >
> >If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that 
> >temperatures go up or down -- soon.
> >
> >"Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very 
> >picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David 
> >Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
> >
> >Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners 
> >complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's 
> >expecting a lot more.
> >
> >As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will 
> >continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge 
> >holds back water

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Spiro]

sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per "R"?
So r30 is "?"
Congrats on your relocation.





On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote:

> They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air 
> conditioning in the house during the summer.  Thank God there  is not enough 
> snow to worry about any longer.  Those years in Buffalo still bring bad 
> memories now and then...
> - Original Message -
> From: Dave Andrus
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
> icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the
> sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
> and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
> heat coming up from the rooms below.
>
> Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
> find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
> and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
>
> Dave A.
>
> Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
> Jesus
>
> Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> Lutheran Blind Mission
> 888 215 2455
> HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of john schwery
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
> Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
> gets articles like this.
>
> text of forwarded message follows:
>
>> Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19,
>> 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>>
>> When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you
>> don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>>
>> Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have
>> for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>>
>> If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures
>> go up or down -- soon.
>>
>> "Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very
>> picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David
>> Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>>
>> Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners
>> complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's
>> expecting a lot more.
>>
>> As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will
>> continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds
>> back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles --
>> even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls,
>> damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>>
>> So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can
>> see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you
>> can't see.
>>
>> Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his
>> wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their
>> 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room
>> and two bedrooms.
>>
>> "Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said
>> Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
>>
>> The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or
>> so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should
>> let Mr. Thomas know.
>>
>> Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since
>> large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss,
>> homeowners'
>> rates generally won't be affected.
>>
>> However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof,
>> or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to
>> wait until the ice and snow are gone.
>>
>> Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be
>> plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to
>> allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer
>> install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of
>> shingles. Thi

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Dave Andrus]

Hi,

I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30. 

It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in
insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor
you ask for. 

Dave A.
 


Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
Jesus

Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
Lutheran Blind Mission
888 215 2455
HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Spiro
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

  

sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per "R"?
So r30 is "?"
Congrats on your relocation.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote:

> They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air
conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough
snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad
memories now and then...
> - Original Message -
> From: Dave Andrus
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have 
> icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When 
> the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you 
> have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can 
> only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below.
>
> Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest 
> you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. 
> Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
>
> Dave A.
>
> Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the 
> cross of Jesus
>
> Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> Lutheran Blind Mission
> 888 215 2455
> HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
> [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of john schwery
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
> Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh 
> and gets articles like this.
>
> text of forwarded message follows:
>
>> Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 
>> 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>>
>> When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you 
>> don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>>
>> Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents 
>> have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>>
>> If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that 
>> temperatures go up or down -- soon.
>>
>> "Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very 
>> picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David 
>> Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>>
>> Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners 
>> complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's 
>> expecting a lot more.
>>
>> As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will 
>> continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge 
>> holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the 
>> shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside 
>> the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>>
>> So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can 
>> see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you 
>> can't see.
>>
>> Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and 
>> his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of 
>> their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living 
>> room and two bedrooms.
>>
>> "Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier," he said 
>> Thursday. "I'm worried that it will get worse."
>>
>> The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours 
>> or so. They haven't filed a homeowners cl

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Spiro]

I tossed some on the auning, and it accelerated what fell off.




On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Tom Hodges wrote:

> Why don?t you just throw some of that majestic ice melt up there?
>
>
>
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:26 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
>
>
>
>
> There may be no direct heat source but, might there be sun warming the porch
> or was it maybe stuck on to keep cold entering the house through the door in
> which case it is also harvesting heat from inside the door.
>
> The snow on the roof will insulate the under side of the decking from the
> cold above so heat from below will melt the snow immediately above the roof.
> Well until the water runs over the eve where it is cold and freezes again
> forming the dam.
>
> It might also be that the leak is where the roof of the porch meets the
> house depending on how that structure was built.
>
> If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
> - Original Message -
> From: Lenny McHugh
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
> I wonder what caused the problem at my daughter's home. Her front porch is
> on the south west side of the house. Right now there is a major leak
> somewhere on the porch roof. There was about 30 inches of snow. Now the
> downspout is frozen solid and some major ice dams and icicles. There is no
> heat source under the roof,
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Andrus"  <mailto:dave.andrus%40blindmission.org> >
> To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
> icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the
> sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams
> and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from
> heat coming up from the rooms below.
>
> Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you
> find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here
> and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
>
> Dave A.
>
> Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
> Jesus
>
> Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> Lutheran Blind Mission
> 888 215 2455
> HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of john schwery
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>
> Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and
> gets articles like this.
>
> text of forwarded message follows:
>
>> Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19,
>> 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>>
>> When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you
>> don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>>
>> Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have
>> for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>>
>> If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures
>> go up or down -- soon.
>>
>> "Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very
>> picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David
>> Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
>>
>> Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners
>> complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's
>> expecting a lot more.
>>
>> As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will
>> continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds
>> back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles --
>> even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls,
>> damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring.
>>
>> So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Scott Howell]

Hi Dave,

I sort of suspected that would be a little normal.  After all, we did only get 
a total of about 50 inches of snow or so and that is not including the snow we 
got just before Christmas.  We certainly have gotten more snow than I can 
recall in all the years I've been living in this area.  I mean I remember some 
pretty big storms back in my youth, but I don't think they quite were this 
large. grin.
On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:

> Hi Scott, 
> 
> It does sound like you have insulated well. That is good. You are correct.
> There does need to be airflow and so not covering up the vents at the end
> was a good thing. 
> 
> Sometimes icicles do happen. 
> 
> Dave A. 
> 
> Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
> Jesus
> 
> Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> Lutheran Blind Mission
> 888 215 2455
> HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:42 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I could easily see how this is a problem. I just added insulation
> to my attic and it was R30, which was rolled out over what was already
> there. The way my attic is configured is that at the ends of the roof,
> there is an empty area, which I gather is called the eves. The reason why I
> say gather is because what is interesting to me and I can't compare this to
> any other roofs as I have not crawled into a tun of attics, but there are
> vented panels that are on the underside of the roof. These have no wood,
> they are instead open. What I mean is if you removed the panels, you would
> be able to put your hand directly into the attic and touch the underside of
> the roof. So, I did not put insulation clear to the edge, but instead took
> it out to just the point behind this open area because I did not want to
> block the airflow. So, I found some small ice sickles, which seem to be more
> likely water that may have run backward or maybe more accurately off the
> edge of the gutter and flowed back under the eve. I'm making an assumption
> here because the ice sickles just seem to be hanging there, not quite
> attached to a flow, other than what was coming down over the edge of the
> gutter. When I have the roof replaced at some point and I mean replaced, not
> reshingled, I will check into barriers etc. I have not gone into the attic
> to see what is going on and I probably should. So, far we have not noticed
> any water coming into the home and I did go up and tear off the leaf guard
> things and busted up a lot of the ice in the gutters. So, maybe this will
> help get things flowing properly. :) This has been the worst WInter I can
> recall. And imagine, it will apparently rain or snow some on MOnday, which
> should add insult to injury.
> On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have 
> > icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When 
> > the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you 
> > have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can 
> > only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below.
> > 
> > Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest 
> > you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. 
> > Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
> > 
> > Dave A.
> > 
> > Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the 
> > cross of Jesus
> > 
> > Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> > Lutheran Blind Mission
> > 888 215 2455
> > HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of john schwery
> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> > 
> > Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh 
> > and gets articles like this.
> > 
> > text of forwarded message follows:
> > 
> > >Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 
> > >2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
> > >
> > >When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you 
> > >don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
> > >

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Scott Howell]

I think I have now a total of 12 to 16 inches of insulation, but can't quite 
recall because I did not measure.  I was so determine to get it down and get 
out that I forgot to measure, but it for sure is not less than 12 inches and 
probably a bit more than that.  I purchased R30 insulation unfaced and added 
that on top of what was there and I have no idea what that stuff was because it 
probably is the original insulation installed when the house was built.
I'm pretty certain it has helped this WInter in either case. If I didn't use 
some of my attic for storage, I would have done the blown-n method for sure.
Good info to have, thanks.

On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30. 
> 
> It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in
> insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor
> you ask for. 
> 
> Dave A.
> 
> 
> Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
> Jesus
> 
> Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> Lutheran Blind Mission
> 888 215 2455
> HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Spiro
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> 
> sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per "R"?
> So r30 is "?"
> Congrats on your relocation.
> 
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote:
> 
> > They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air
> conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough
> snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad
> memories now and then...
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Dave Andrus
> > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have 
> > icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When 
> > the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you 
> > have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can 
> > only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below.
> >
> > Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest 
> > you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. 
> > Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
> >
> > Dave A.
> >
> > Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the 
> > cross of Jesus
> >
> > Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> > Lutheran Blind Mission
> > 888 215 2455
> > HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of john schwery
> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> >
> > Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh 
> > and gets articles like this.
> >
> > text of forwarded message follows:
> >
> >> Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 
> >> 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
> >>
> >> When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you 
> >> don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
> >>
> >> Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents 
> >> have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
> >>
> >> If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that 
> >> temperatures go up or down -- soon.
> >>
> >> "Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very 
> >> picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us," said David 
> >> Thomas of Thomas & McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency.
> >>
> >> Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners 
> >> complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Sheryl Nelson]

Aloha everyone,  This is Sheryl in Honolulu Hawaii.  The only thing I 
can say about this subject which I find interesting is BUR!!! Have a 
great day.
Aloha Sheryl

t 12:28 AM 2/21/2010, you wrote:
>I think I have now a total of 12 to 16 inches of insulation, but 
>can't quite recall because I did not measure.  I was so determine to 
>get it down and get out that I forgot to measure, but it for sure is 
>not less than 12 inches and probably a bit more than that.  I 
>purchased R30 insulation unfaced and added that on top of what was 
>there and I have no idea what that stuff was because it probably is 
>the original insulation installed when the house was built.
>I'm pretty certain it has helped this WInter in either case. If I 
>didn't use some of my attic for storage, I would have done the 
>blown-n method for sure.
>Good info to have, thanks.
>
>On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30.
> >
> > It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in
> > insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor
> > you ask for.
> >
> > Dave A.
> >
> >
> > Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
> > Jesus
> >
> > Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> > Lutheran Blind Mission
> > 888 215 2455
> > HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Spiro
> > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM
> > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> >
> > sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per "R"?
> > So r30 is "?"
> > Congrats on your relocation.
> >
> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > > They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air
> > conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough
> > snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad
> > memories now and then...
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Dave Andrus
> > > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
> > > icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When
> > > the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you
> > > have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can
> > > only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below.
> > >
> > > Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest
> > > you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis.
> > > Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
> > >
> > > Dave A.
> > >
> > > Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the
> > > cross of Jesus
> > >
> > > Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
> > > Lutheran Blind Mission
> > > 888 215 2455
> > > HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG 
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of john schwery
> > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
> > > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
> > >
> > > Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh
> > > and gets articles like this.
> > >
> > > text of forwarded message follows:
> > >
> > >> Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19,
> > >> 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
> > >>
> > >> When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you
> > >> don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
> > >>
> > >> Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents
> > >&g

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Bill Gallik]

Cheryl,

The last thing those of us living in the "Snow Belt" need is to hear about this 
subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-)

Please note, for those of you unaware, the ":-)" is the emoticon symbolizing a 
smile.

Holland's Person, Bill
- "Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[David Ferrin]

Send some of that lovely heat over here would you please.
David Ferrin
www.jaws-users.com
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Gallik" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!


Cheryl,

The last thing those of us living in the "Snow Belt" need is to hear about 
this subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-)

Please note, for those of you unaware, the ":-)" is the emoticon symbolizing 
a smile.

Holland's Person, Bill
- "Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Lenny McHugh]

Yes I must agree with David, I don't understand this climate change. 
Watching some of the Olympics it has been colder here in the North East Pa. 
than Vancouver. Tomorrow were to get rain changing to snow, something new!
- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrin" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!


Send some of that lovely heat over here would you please.
David Ferrin
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Gallik" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!


Cheryl,

The last thing those of us living in the "Snow Belt" need is to hear about
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Lee A. Stone]

so far there is   dust on our  roof rake lets keep it that way. one day 
closer to summer. L



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Spiro]

it's so hard to breath in my attic, (hate to sound whimpy) I'm not looking 
to be bitten.
Maybe going up there in the winter would be a good idea.





On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, Scott Howell wrote:

> I think I have now a total of 12 to 16 inches of insulation, but can't quite 
> recall because I did not measure.  I was so determine to get it down and get 
> out that I forgot to measure, but it for sure is not less than 12 inches and 
> probably a bit more than that.  I purchased R30 insulation unfaced and added 
> that on top of what was there and I have no idea what that stuff was because 
> it probably is the original insulation installed when the house was built.
> I'm pretty certain it has helped this WInter in either case. If I didn't use 
> some of my attic for storage, I would have done the blown-n method for sure.
> Good info to have, thanks.
>
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dave Andrus wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30.
>>
>> It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in
>> insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor
>> you ask for.
>>
>> Dave A.
>>
>>
>> Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of
>> Jesus
>>
>> Rev. Dave Andrus, Director
>> Lutheran Blind Mission
>> 888 215 2455
>> HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
>> On Behalf Of Spiro
>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM
>> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>>
>> sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per "R"?
>> So r30 is "?"
>> Congrats on your relocation.
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air
>> conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough
>> snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad
>> memories now and then...
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Dave Andrus
>>> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have
>>> icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When
>>> the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you
>>> have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can
>>> only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below.
>>>
>>> Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest
>>> you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis.
>>> Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic.
>>>
>>> Dave A.
>>>
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>>> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of john schwery
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM
>>> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
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>>> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
>>>
>>> Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh
>>> and gets articles like this.
>>>
>>> text of forwarded message follows:
>>>
>>>> Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19,
>>>> 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>>>>
>>>> When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you
>>>> don't want to hear someone say: "Do nothing."
>>>>
>>>> Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents
>>>> have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams.
>>>>
>>>> If you are one of them, your bes

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Spiro]

69 inches of snow this season for Philadelphia.
There was a day in December, during that snow; which made the announcer 
comment that PA, FL, and Alaska were all holding 28 degrees.





On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, Lenny McHugh wrote:

> Yes I must agree with David, I don't understand this climate change.
> Watching some of the Olympics it has been colder here in the North East Pa.
> than Vancouver. Tomorrow were to get rain changing to snow, something new!
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
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> Send some of that lovely heat over here would you please.
> David Ferrin
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> Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
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> Cheryl,
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!

[Lee A. Stone]

call it Global warming or whatever but this is  surely a weird winter  a 
few days ago I could have  worn a windbreaker here in the Northeast and 
this morning we are held hostage by   a rain/ snow   sleet mix. . I am 
prepared here as are most of those who live with me .  oddly enough I 
wonder if someone has moved my short extension cord  I made up  for the 
generator box.. I had that short extension cord should we have along 
power outage again  to  run from the battery maintainer/ charger to one 
of the outlets  on the generator to keep a full load of energy at all 
times in the battery to restart this generator.  my only other goal  as 
a handyman   or not is to install a natural gas conversion kit   so we 
never run out of fuel . and I am tickled pink  that  a generous brother 
in law donated this big machine   some time ago. . Lee



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