[BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay?
OK, I know that all guidelines for laying wood floors say to run the boards perpendicular to the joists. That makes some sense sure. Having said that, I am laying this floor over an existing plank floor. The planks obviously run perpendicular to the joists. If I run my new floor perpendicular to the joists, IE parallel to the existing planks, it seems like there might be trouble in paradise. These planks aren't in the best condition and some are cupped a bit. I can imagine I would get a wavy effect if I run my boards parallel to the planks. Would running my boards perpendicular to the planks, IE parallel to the joists just be a horror of horrors with handyman demons cursing me and taking my hammer and saws away from me? -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay?
well, you know what they say a man is like a floor, lay it right once and you can walk on it for years. couldn't help it, cj - Original Message - From: "Dan Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay? OK, I know that all guidelines for laying wood floors say to run the boards perpendicular to the joists. That makes some sense sure. Having said that, I am laying this floor over an existing plank floor. The planks obviously run perpendicular to the joists. If I run my new floor perpendicular to the joists, IE parallel to the existing planks, it seems like there might be trouble in paradise. These planks aren't in the best condition and some are cupped a bit. I can imagine I would get a wavy effect if I run my boards parallel to the planks. Would running my boards perpendicular to the planks, IE parallel to the joists just be a horror of horrors with handyman demons cursing me and taking my hammer and saws away from me? -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay?
Dear Dan: I would suggest replacing any boards that are cupped, unless that would be impractical. Another possible help might be to put down a thin sheet of plywood or other sub-flooring before installing the hardwood flooring. In order to keep the flooring in place, I do think you should stick to the plan where the hardwood planks are being nailed in to the joists, so crossing them at ninety degrees makes sense. Yours Truly, Clifford Wilson PS If you find a joint in the sub-flooring that is moving when stepped on, make sure and screw it down tight and some glue in the joint might help as well. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: BlindHandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay? OK, I know that all guidelines for laying wood floors say to run the boards perpendicular to the joists. That makes some sense sure. Having said that, I am laying this floor over an existing plank floor. The planks obviously run perpendicular to the joists. If I run my new floor perpendicular to the joists, IE parallel to the existing planks, it seems like there might be trouble in paradise. These planks aren't in the best condition and some are cupped a bit. I can imagine I would get a wavy effect if I run my boards parallel to the planks. Would running my boards perpendicular to the planks, IE parallel to the joists just be a horror of horrors with handyman demons cursing me and taking my hammer and saws away from me? -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 __ NOD32 2036 (20070204) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay?
No problem! Generally the appearance is better if the surface flooring runs in the long direction of the room what ever the underlying joist structure turn out to be. If you do go the direction of the cupped and crowned old planks though I would really recommend that plywood and probably with the paper on both sides. Even if going across the planks you will have voids under the flooring in places and this will result in noise and movement. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: "Dan Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:27 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay? > OK, > > I know that all guidelines for laying wood floors say to run the boards > perpendicular to the joists. That makes some sense sure. > > Having said that, I am laying this floor over an existing plank floor. > The planks obviously run perpendicular to the joists. If I run my new > floor perpendicular to the joists, IE parallel to the existing planks, it > seems like there might be trouble in paradise. These planks aren't in the > best condition and some are cupped a bit. I can imagine I would get a > wavy effect if I run my boards parallel to the planks. > > Would running my boards perpendicular to the planks, IE parallel to the > joists just be a horror of horrors with handyman demons cursing me and > taking my hammer and saws away from me? > > -- > Blue skies. > Dan Rossi > Carnegie Mellon University. > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tel: (412) 268-9081 > > > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://acbradio.org/handyman.html > or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. > http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ > > Visit the new archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > list just send a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.24/668 - Release Date: 4/02/2007 > > To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay?
Well in the old days the good carpenters laid the sub floor at a 45 degree angle. This supposedly helped brace the joists and the biggest reason is so they could lay the finish flooring, usually short oak, eight direction. With some of those short boards trying to hit a joist was definately a hit or miss deal. The nailing of the finish floor was done entirely into the subfloor. Many of those boards were too short to span the distance between joists. Anyway to your problem. Unless you put in another layer of plywood you have only the choise of laying at right angles to the subfloor flooring. First see if you can use some screws to pull some of the cupped boards down tighter. A couple of screws about a inch and a half apart and tighten alternatly can do wonders. Once you have "sucked" all of them down you can get you might hit the high points with a real coarse belt sander or a hand plane.. Voids under the finish floor "ain't" good. They ain't squeaky clean just squeaky Remember the felt paper over the sub floor and clean, clean, clean the subfloor of debries. Ron. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: BlindHandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay? OK, I know that all guidelines for laying wood floors say to run the boards perpendicular to the joists. That makes some sense sure. Having said that, I am laying this floor over an existing plank floor. The planks obviously run perpendicular to the joists. If I run my new floor perpendicular to the joists, IE parallel to the existing planks, it seems like there might be trouble in paradise. These planks aren't in the best condition and some are cupped a bit. I can imagine I would get a wavy effect if I run my boards parallel to the planks. Would running my boards perpendicular to the planks, IE parallel to the joists just be a horror of horrors with handyman demons cursing me and taking my hammer and saws away from me? -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay?
Maybe you should consider gluing and nailing a good plywood underlayment before you install the hardwood. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: BlindHandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay? OK, I know that all guidelines for laying wood floors say to run the boards perpendicular to the joists. That makes some sense sure. Having said that, I am laying this floor over an existing plank floor. The planks obviously run perpendicular to the joists. If I run my new floor perpendicular to the joists, IE parallel to the existing planks, it seems like there might be trouble in paradise. These planks aren't in the best condition and some are cupped a bit. I can imagine I would get a wavy effect if I run my boards parallel to the planks. Would running my boards perpendicular to the planks, IE parallel to the joists just be a horror of horrors with handyman demons cursing me and taking my hammer and saws away from me? -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.17/661 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 11:30 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Which way to lay?
Thanks for all the input on laying my floor. I think I will definitely consider laying a 1/4 inch subfloor over the pine planks. I'll use possibly two layers of rosin paper below the 1/4 and one layer above it. After thinking about it, nails would have to be pretty freakin long to go through half inch of floor, 1/4 inch of subfloor, another inch of pine plank and into a joist, all at a 45 degree angle. Not to mention the fact that if the nails were long enough to do that, in the very many places where they would not be in a joist, they would be sticking through the pine planks in the joist bays in the basement, making them even scarier than they are now. If we were doing the living room and dining room, we would probably lay the boards perpendicular to the joists since the length of the room would flow in that direction. But since we are only doing the living room, the long side of the room is perpendicular to that. Thanks for all the input to think about. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
