RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing
Jennifer, You guys are about to make a very expensive decision so let's see if the following might help you out. 1. Will this vehicle be your primary form of transportation? *daily driver* 2. How large are the rear seat occupants? and are they still growing? 3. Are you looking at new or pre-owned? 4. What is your price range? 5. Are you guys keepers or do you trade vehicles every couple of years? Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach Infowest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 67507269) is spam: Spam: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=si=67507269m=93 cbf30797aa Not spam: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=ni=67507269m=93 cbf30797aa Forget vote: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=fi=67507269m=93 cbf30797aa -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing
you need a to bar fitted and then if you have the power you can toe anything - Original Message - From: Jennifer Jackson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:15 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing
Jennifer, You can tow with a car, but most cars can't tow more then 2000 lbs. All cars have a GVW (gross Vehicle Weight), and it is not recommended to load your car up or tow anything that will put the car over that weight. For towing long distances or in the mountains, it is best to stay under 80% of the GVW. My recommendation would be to go with a minivan. My personal preference for Minivans is the Chrysler town and Country, or the equivalent Dodge Caravan. I would stay with 2001 or newer. the older ones had transmission problems, mostly because people didn't use the right fluid in them, but that is a different discussion. Either one comes with an optional tow package, but if it does not come with the tow package, it is no big deal. A hitch and wiring can be had for less then $200.00 and it took les then an hour to install. Most minivans come with a roof rack, so using a top carrier won't be much of a problem. The town and Country, and the Caravan have the stow and go seating, so you can store items under the floor when the seats are up. very handy if you have little ones traveling with you, keeps there toys out of the way until they are needed. The gas mileage on minivans is better then SUV's, but not as good as cars. I think the Honda Odyssey has the best mpg of all minivans with a V6. I would estimate the minivans have an average mpg rating of 20-25 on the highway, and 17-22 in town. Cars will have an average of about 5 mpg higher then the minivan. When towing or loaded heavy the mpg will drop with anything. Towing with my Mercury sable I was lucky to get 12-14 mpg on the highway, and we normally got 28-30, on my town Country towing drops the mpg to about 16-18, and we get 20-22 with out towing. No matter what you decide to get: go with a v6, 4 cylinders can't haul as much, and generally don't last as long. Go with a 4 speed automatic, the over drive really helps the mpg on the highway, do NOT use over drive when towing. add an auxiliary transmission cooler if not equip. 4 wheel anti lock brakes (ABS). try to have the towing package already installed. If you want to tow, make sure you can get a hitch for the vehicle before you buy it, check out www.etrailer.com or www.hitchfinder.com. some manufacturers tow packages do not include the hitch. make sure of the vehicle's GVW, and towing capacity. Follow the heavy duty use maintenance schedule for the vehicle, when towing or hauling heavy loads of people and supplies. This is the schedule that most people are wasting their money on 3000 or 3 months per oil change. Well I hope this helps some. Michael From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 23:16 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via
Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing
You might want to look at mini vans. They can hold the whole family and then some. They also come with tow packages if needed. At 12:15 AM 2/27/2007, you wrote: Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[BlindHandyMan] cars and towing
There has been some wonderful advice for towing trailers of any sort. Small to large. Those to live in and those to haul items. Along with what to look out for and have. Might I add in here from the perspective of working with AAA, Emergency Road Service. A: what ever you get make sure it fits what you are pulling and can successfully do the job. B: Always remember to do the general maintenance on the car, wagon or sedan or truck or van. The fluids clean and not old. Brakes, transmission and etc. Along with the proper hook up of the trailer and the other attachments. Along with making sure all lights work. C: Checking the condition of the tires! D: The weight of the unit you are hauling and not over what is recommended. E: If you are a AAA card holder the only thing that covers these sleeping unit is AAA Plus/RV or the Premier AAA. If the club offers the Premier and you are doing a long road trip. I'd highly recommend the last program from AAA. What ever your choices are make wise choice and have fun!! Geno 27, February Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing
Larry, This will be our primary vehicle. I do not drive. Our kids are all under eight, so they should fit in a regular back seat for several more years. We are definitely looking at used, and I hope to keep the price down. My husband would happily replace our Suburban with another just like it. My thoughts are why spend $6000 to get another 15 year old vehicle. We could do the repairs needed on this one, including replacing the air conditioner, for about $2000. I think we should spend a little more and get something much newer and better with gas consumption. How do I figure out how much weight I am wanting to tow? Jennifer From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Jennifer, You guys are about to make a very expensive decision so let's see if the following might help you out. 1. Will this vehicle be your primary form of transportation? *daily driver* 2. How large are the rear seat occupants? and are they still growing? 3. Are you looking at new or pre-owned? 4. What is your price range? 5. Are you guys keepers or do you trade vehicles every couple of years? Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM -- ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach Infowest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 67507269) is spam: Spam: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=si=67507269m=93 cbf30797aa Not spam: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=ni=67507269m=93 cbf30797aa Forget vote: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=fi=67507269m=93 cbf30797aa -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo
Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing
Robert, Thanks for the offer to help with the research. I think if we go for the two car solution though, we will keep our Suburban and ad a car. Jennifer - Original Message - From: Robert J. Moore To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:58 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Yes you can tow a camper with a car but in general not really the best option. I will let some one more qualified handle that part of the question. Another option to consider if you have the room is to get a suitable car for the family that will be big enough yet give you good gas milage and also get a large conversion van. If you budget write this might work out good for you. You could consider a bit less budget for the car and leave a little budgeting room for the van. If you shop around you should be able to get a hell of a deal on an older van that has a good drive train with out spending a lot. With the price of gas going up the price of big vans are going down. If you consider this option I would not let high milage bother you too much. I will check my local listings for you to give you an example of what is out there, if you like.I am always looking at vehicle listings any way. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Jennifer, One way you can figure out how much you haul when camping, etc. would be to have your husband go weigh the Suburban at a commercial scale. Then go weigh it again after you and all your kids and supplies are in the suburban. If the Suburban will be driven several miles between the weighings, I would make sure it had a full tank of gas each time. Take the difference, add your husbands approximate weight.to that number, add the weight of your trailer/camper. If you don't have a trailer yet, go pick one out and make sure it can carry the weight of your stuff. Add the weight of the trailer to the weight of all your people and stuff. To the total I would add 10-15 percent just for good measure. Use that weight, and add it to the weight of the car and make sure it does not exceed the GVW of the vehicle, or exceed the towing capacity. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:19 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Larry, This will be our primary vehicle. I do not drive. Our kids are all under eight, so they should fit in a regular back seat for several more years. We are definitely looking at used, and I hope to keep the price down. My husband would happily replace our Suburban with another just like it. My thoughts are why spend $6000 to get another 15 year old vehicle. We could do the repairs needed on this one, including replacing the air conditioner, for about $2000. I think we should spend a little more and get something much newer and better with gas consumption. How do I figure out how much weight I am wanting to tow? Jennifer From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Jennifer, You guys are about to make a very expensive decision so let's see if the following might help you out. 1. Will this vehicle be your primary form of transportation? *daily driver* 2. How large are the rear seat occupants? and are they still growing? 3. Are you looking at new or pre-owned? 4. What is your price range? 5. Are you guys keepers or do you trade vehicles every couple of years? Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:16 PM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM -- ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio. http://acbradio.org/handyman.html org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio. ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday .org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws- http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail- http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman- mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
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Jennifer, Any vehicle equipped with a towing package will clearly define it's towing capacity in either the owners manual or in the case of pick-up trucks and some SUV's it will be on a tag located on the driver side door post. First of all if you plan on doing any towing at all please-please-please stay away from any vehicle with front wheel drive. The added length, width and tongue weight of the towed vehicle will make that thing handle like a drunk Elephant on a mud bank. Back in the days of married we had a 96 dodge ram 1500 extended cab pickup with the factory towing package and a 5.9 leter v8. the truck was rated with a towing capacity of 7500LBS but it was all the poor thing could do to pull our 24-FT 4800LB vacation trailer over donner pass. I did several performance upgrades to the motor and suspension but it still wasn't any fun on a long trip so be very skeptical of towing specifications. Fuel mileage is an extremely difficult call to make. My feeling has always been error on the side of performance and versatility. There is nothing worse than making a $12,000 or $15,000.00 investment only to find out 6 months later it won't do the job for you. You folks might consider taking a look at either the four door or extended cab styles of pickup trucks Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:19 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Larry, This will be our primary vehicle. I do not drive. Our kids are all under eight, so they should fit in a regular back seat for several more years. We are definitely looking at used, and I hope to keep the price down. My husband would happily replace our Suburban with another just like it. My thoughts are why spend $6000 to get another 15 year old vehicle. We could do the repairs needed on this one, including replacing the air conditioner, for about $2000. I think we should spend a little more and get something much newer and better with gas consumption. How do I figure out how much weight I am wanting to tow? Jennifer From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Jennifer, You guys are about to make a very expensive decision so let's see if the following might help you out. 1. Will this vehicle be your primary form of transportation? *daily driver* 2. How large are the rear seat occupants? and are they still growing? 3. Are you looking at new or pre-owned? 4. What is your price range? 5. Are you guys keepers or do you trade vehicles every couple of years? Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM -- ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- [Non-text
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couple more things to consider is some thing like an s10 blazer or a GMC Gymmy or if you like some other brand That way you would have the lugsury and room of a car and better milage than your big suberbin. Also you would have a full truck frame and rear weel drive which I think is much better for towing. I don't know about other models but I believe some if not all Dodge caravans have a uni body construction which I don't think will stand up as well over the long haul. So what I might look for is some thing with a full frame, 5plus passenger interior, preferably a 4 door, and rear wheel drive. From there you can check out gas milage. What I am really saying is there are much smaller versions of what you now have and you won't need much cargo space since you can pull a pop up or just a utility trailer for your stuff. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of carl Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:26 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing you need a to bar fitted and then if you have the power you can toe anything - Original Message - From: Jennifer Jackson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:15 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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None of the mini-van class vehicles are really appropriate for any kind of towing. Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert J. Moore Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:58 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing couple more things to consider is some thing like an s10 blazer or a GMC Gymmy or if you like some other brand That way you would have the lugsury and room of a car and better milage than your big suberbin. Also you would have a full truck frame and rear weel drive which I think is much better for towing. I don't know about other models but I believe some if not all Dodge caravans have a uni body construction which I don't think will stand up as well over the long haul. So what I might look for is some thing with a full frame, 5plus passenger interior, preferably a 4 door, and rear wheel drive. From there you can check out gas milage. What I am really saying is there are much smaller versions of what you now have and you won't need much cargo space since you can pull a pop up or just a utility trailer for your stuff. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of carl Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:26 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing you need a to bar fitted and then if you have the power you can toe anything - Original Message - From: Jennifer Jackson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:15 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach Infowest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 67698055) is spam: Spam: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=si=67698055m=90 72b8c0849c Not spam: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=ni=67698055m=90 72b8c0849c Forget vote: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=fi=67698055m=90 72b8c0849c -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
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Larry, Why? I have a Grand Caravan Sport. It has automatic load levelers, all wheel drive and came equipped with a towing package. I never towed anything with it. We sold our camping trailer many years ago. Lenny - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing None of the mini-van class vehicles are really appropriate for any kind of towing. Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert J. Moore Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:58 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing couple more things to consider is some thing like an s10 blazer or a GMC Gymmy or if you like some other brand That way you would have the lugsury and room of a car and better milage than your big suberbin. Also you would have a full truck frame and rear weel drive which I think is much better for towing. I don't know about other models but I believe some if not all Dodge caravans have a uni body construction which I don't think will stand up as well over the long haul. So what I might look for is some thing with a full frame, 5plus passenger interior, preferably a 4 door, and rear wheel drive. From there you can check out gas milage. What I am really saying is there are much smaller versions of what you now have and you won't need much cargo space since you can pull a pop up or just a utility trailer for your stuff. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of carl Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:26 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing you need a to bar fitted and then if you have the power you can toe anything - Original Message - From: Jennifer Jackson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:15 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach Infowest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 67698055) is spam: Spam: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=si=67698055m=90 72b8c0849c Not spam: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=ni=67698055m=90 72b8c0849c Forget vote: http://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?c=fi=67698055m=90 72b8c0849c -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com
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Victor, Correct, Caravans and town Countries did have transmission problems. those were in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation minivans. the 4th generation minivan, 2001-2007, fortunately do not have the same problems. Most of the problems are caused by people going to the corner lube shop, and have Dextrin put in the tranny to top it off. Dextrin will toast the tranny in very short time. Jiffy Lube was well known for this. Some places still do not put in the correct fluid. Chrysler ATF +4 is required, it might cost a few pennies more, but the dealer is the only place to get true ATF +4. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:37 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing The only problem I see with Michael's suggestion to go with a Caravan is that the Caravan is notorious for transmission failures sooner rather than later. In fact, consumer reports has done an investigation and found that Dodge Caravans were 85% more likely to need a major transmission repair within the first three years of ownership, as opposed to the average 5 to 8 years of their competitors, and 9 to 11 years with the Japanese imports. I have known three Caravan's in my life, and each lived up to the consumer reports investigation. I'm not saying that I took bad care of it, I could see at the time, was driving it on a regular basis, and I had it serviced on regular intervals, as per manufacturer's standards. Either way, it might be worth looking into the report further, as I may be wrong on the numbers. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Michael, Thanks for the heads up. My wife and I are looking at buying a new car, possibly a hybrid. Not sure if the hybrid is sold in the Caravan version, but if it is, we're looking at getting one of those. I like the caravans because they're safe, I mean, my business partner's van was in two roll-overs, and no, it was because of driver error, not anything the van did. They're also easy to get into and out of, despite their legendary transmission problems. I believe the new ones also offer stow and go seating, which in my case would come in beneficial. Anyway, thanks again for the heads up on the out dated-ness of the report. Victor Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I have to agree with every thing Larry said. And if you go with a full size pick up with a crew cab you would not need a trailer unless you wanted a pop up to camp in. the other two options I see there are use a topper to store your camping supplies and keep them dry. The other option is to get a cab over camper that you could stay in. and when not in use the camper could be taken off the truck. I think the cab over camper will kill your milage when on the truck but I don't think there is a perfect salution here So just go down your list of pros and cons and have fun with it. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:56 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Jennifer, Any vehicle equipped with a towing package will clearly define it's towing capacity in either the owners manual or in the case of pick-up trucks and some SUV's it will be on a tag located on the driver side door post. First of all if you plan on doing any towing at all please-please-please stay away from any vehicle with front wheel drive. The added length, width and tongue weight of the towed vehicle will make that thing handle like a drunk Elephant on a mud bank. Back in the days of married we had a 96 dodge ram 1500 extended cab pickup with the factory towing package and a 5.9 leter v8. the truck was rated with a towing capacity of 7500LBS but it was all the poor thing could do to pull our 24-FT 4800LB vacation trailer over donner pass. I did several performance upgrades to the motor and suspension but it still wasn't any fun on a long trip so be very skeptical of towing specifications. Fuel mileage is an extremely difficult call to make. My feeling has always been error on the side of performance and versatility. There is nothing worse than making a $12,000 or $15,000.00 investment only to find out 6 months later it won't do the job for you. You folks might consider taking a look at either the four door or extended cab styles of pickup trucks Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:19 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Larry, This will be our primary vehicle. I do not drive. Our kids are all under eight, so they should fit in a regular back seat for several more years. We are definitely looking at used, and I hope to keep the price down. My husband would happily replace our Suburban with another just like it. My thoughts are why spend $6000 to get another 15 year old vehicle. We could do the repairs needed on this one, including replacing the air conditioner, for about $2000. I think we should spend a little more and get something much newer and better with gas consumption. How do I figure out how much weight I am wanting to tow? Jennifer From: Larry Stansifer To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Jennifer, You guys are about to make a very expensive decision so let's see if the following might help you out. 1. Will this vehicle be your primary form of transportation? *daily driver* 2. How large are the rear seat occupants? and are they still growing? 3. Are you looking at new or pre-owned? 4. What is your price range? 5. Are you guys keepers or do you trade vehicles every couple of years? Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something
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Michael Do the new Dodge mini vans have a full frame or a uni body? I could be wrong but I think for towing a full frame is much more durable and stable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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First of all unless the vehicle was purpose built for towing simply adding a hitch and a light kit will do nothing but create long term problems for the suspension and drive package. A purpose built vehicle has upgraded trans cooler, in some cases an added oil cooler, additional engine cooling capacity, onboard computer remapping capabilities so that when you push the tow mode button on the dash it changes many of the vehicle's performance characteristics. You mentioned that your van is factory equipped and that is a step in the right direction. A very good friend of mine who lives in Montana has about the same setup on his towncountry that you do. We decided to take his 14-ft aluminum fishing boat to a lake in the mountains about 30 miles away from his home. The boat, motor, trailer, fishing equipment, safety gear and beer cooler probably didn't way 1000LBS total. I know that the tongue weight was less than 150LBS Because I picked it up and set it on the hitch ball. On the flats the van towed it ok with a few handling issues going around curves. When we got into the mountains that poor v6 was wrapped for all it was worth and we never saw the top side of 45MPH. Coming back that evening we encountered some wind and the boat and trailer were whipping all over and the van didn't have the track, wheelbase or suspension to afford a lot of control. Thom told me that this was the first time he had towed the boat with his van, that usually he used his Jeep Liberty A full framed rear wheel drive short wheelbased vehicle to tow with. In the van's defense I will tell you that it was a single axel trailer and honestly I can't remember if it had it's own dedicated set of brakes or not. Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:46 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Larry, Why? I have a Grand Caravan Sport. It has automatic load levelers, all wheel drive and came equipped with a towing package. I never towed anything with it. We sold our camping trailer many years ago. Lenny - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing None of the mini-van class vehicles are really appropriate for any kind of towing. Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert J. Moore Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:58 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing couple more things to consider is some thing like an s10 blazer or a GMC Gymmy or if you like some other brand That way you would have the lugsury and room of a car and better milage than your big suberbin. Also you would have a full truck frame and rear weel drive which I think is much better for towing. I don't know about other models but I believe some if not all Dodge caravans have a uni body construction which I don't think will stand up as well over the long haul. So what I might look for is some thing with a full frame, 5plus passenger interior, preferably a 4 door, and rear wheel drive. From there you can check out gas milage. What I am really saying is there are much smaller versions of what you now have and you won't need much cargo space since you can pull a pop up or just a utility trailer for your stuff. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of carl Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:26 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing you need a to bar fitted and then if you have the power you can toe anything - Original Message - From: Jennifer Jackson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:15 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed
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I have heard the same thing about the transmissions, We have owned three caravans, all have been fine. know problem. for what ever that is worth. one caravan, we even pulled a small trailer. for what ever that is worth. Don - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing The only problem I see with Michael's suggestion to go with a Caravan is that the Caravan is notorious for transmission failures sooner rather than later. In fact, consumer reports has done an investigation and found that Dodge Caravans were 85% more likely to need a major transmission repair within the first three years of ownership, as opposed to the average 5 to 8 years of their competitors, and 9 to 11 years with the Japanese imports. I have known three Caravan's in my life, and each lived up to the consumer reports investigation. I'm not saying that I took bad care of it, I could see at the time, was driving it on a regular basis, and I had it serviced on regular intervals, as per manufacturer's standards. Either way, it might be worth looking into the report further, as I may be wrong on the numbers. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Larry, Purpose built for towing: manufacturers know that minivans and other vehicles may be used for towing. I guess that is why my TC has a tow capacity of 3800lbs and a CGVWR of 8600, and that is without the factory tow package. The factory tow package does not increase this rating at all. The tow package from the factory just increases my payment. I can put a hitch,light kit, load leveling shocks, tranny and oil cooler on for a lot less then they want. The only difference in suspension between the factory tow ready and not is the shocks. The factory tow package gets you load leveling shocks, $100 for the pair and I to now have load leveling shocks. and much less then the $400 each the dealer wants. I am sure that most car makers do it the same way, just add parts to make a tow package. It would be to expensive for a car maker to have different lines for the cars that get completely different parts for towing and not towing. Not to mention the risk and law suits if the weaker non tow part was put on a vehicle purposely built for towing. I do believe most tow packages are a dealer installed factory item. So the factory doesn't even know which ones will be towing and not. bad towing: How much less then 150 LBS do you think the tongue weight was? I ask because too little weight on the tongue will have poor handling in corners and make the tow vehicle and trailer pretty squirmy; the wind would only enhance this bad setup. 75 lbs is the lowest you should ever go on the tongue weight. the other thing that will cause this is that the tow vehicle and the trailer were not level, the hitch being too high. This will cause handling issues no matter if it is a Town Country, or a F150. Or the third thing is the weight was not distributed on the trailer properly. The weight should be split about 55% in front of the trailer axle and 45% behind. From what you describe, I believe the tow vehicle had nothing to do with the bad towing experience. It is hard to say why the vehicle couldn't get up to 45 going up hill, he might have had the 2.4 4 cylinder, or the 3.3 v6, and not the 3.8 v6. Or the trailer weighed more then you guestimated. Or pushing a head wind. All issues that can effect any vehicle. The Jeep Liberty actually has a uni-frame design. Never seen one, but sounds like it is a uni-body with additional supports. Assuming he has never had problems towing with the Jeep, my guess is the TC and the trailer were not level, causing the towing problems you experienced. That small of a boat, I doubt it had its own brakes, but that only matters for stopping. It is not like Jennifer needs to haul around a 5000 lbs trailer, so what ever you decide, Jennifer, should be just fine, like I said in a previous post, make sure you and your family are comfortable above all else. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 14:40 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing First of all unless the vehicle was purpose built for towing simply adding a hitch and a light kit will do nothing but create long term problems for the suspension and drive package. A purpose built vehicle has upgraded trans cooler, in some cases an added oil cooler, additional engine cooling capacity, onboard computer remapping capabilities so that when you push the tow mode button on the dash it changes many of the vehicle's performance characteristics. You mentioned that your van is factory equipped and that is a step in the right direction. A very good friend of mine who lives in Montana has about the same setup on his towncountry that you do. We decided to take his 14-ft aluminum fishing boat to a lake in the mountains about 30 miles away from his home. The boat, motor, trailer, fishing equipment, safety gear and beer cooler probably didn't way 1000LBS total. I know that the tongue weight was less than 150LBS Because I picked it up and set it on the hitch ball. On the flats the van towed it ok with a few handling issues going around curves. When we got into the mountains that poor v6 was wrapped for all it was worth and we never saw the top side of 45MPH. Coming back that evening we encountered some wind and the boat and trailer were whipping all over and the van didn't have the track, wheelbase or suspension to afford a lot of control. Thom told me that this was the first time he had towed the boat with his van, that usually he used his Jeep Liberty A full framed rear wheel drive short wheelbased vehicle to tow with. In the van's defense I will tell you that it was a single axel trailer and honestly I can't remember if it had it's own dedicated set of brakes or not. Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent
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If you are really going to get a truck and tow get a diesel. At 09:55 AM 2/27/2007, you wrote: Jennifer, Any vehicle equipped with a towing package will clearly define it's towing capacity in either the owners manual or in the case of pick-up trucks and some SUV's it will be on a tag located on the driver side door post. First of all if you plan on doing any towing at all please-please-please stay away from any vehicle with front wheel drive. The added length, width and tongue weight of the towed vehicle will make that thing handle like a drunk Elephant on a mud bank. Back in the days of married we had a 96 dodge ram 1500 extended cab pickup with the factory towing package and a 5.9 leter v8. the truck was rated with a towing capacity of 7500LBS but it was all the poor thing could do to pull our 24-FT 4800LB vacation trailer over donner pass. I did several performance upgrades to the motor and suspension but it still wasn't any fun on a long trip so be very skeptical of towing specifications. Fuel mileage is an extremely difficult call to make. My feeling has always been error on the side of performance and versatility. There is nothing worse than making a $12,000 or $15,000.00 investment only to find out 6 months later it won't do the job for you. You folks might consider taking a look at either the four door or extended cab styles of pickup trucks Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:19 AM To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Larry, This will be our primary vehicle. I do not drive. Our kids are all under eight, so they should fit in a regular back seat for several more years. We are definitely looking at used, and I hope to keep the price down. My husband would happily replace our Suburban with another just like it. My thoughts are why spend $6000 to get another 15 year old vehicle. We could do the repairs needed on this one, including replacing the air conditioner, for about $2000. I think we should spend a little more and get something much newer and better with gas consumption. How do I figure out how much weight I am wanting to tow? Jennifer From: Larry Stansifer To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Jennifer, You guys are about to make a very expensive decision so let's see if the following might help you out. 1. Will this vehicle be your primary form of transportation? *daily driver* 2. How large are the rear seat occupants? and are they still growing? 3. Are you looking at new or pre-owned? 4. What is your price range? 5. Are you guys keepers or do you trade vehicles every couple of years? Regards Larry Stansifer -Original Message- From: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jackson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:16 PM To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TMhttp://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM -- ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.htmlhttp://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturdayhttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xmlhttp://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review
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And of course things can vary. I have both a Dodge Grand Caravan and a Honda Odyssey mini van. Both have around 75,000 miles; the Dodge is a 2002, and the Odyssey is a 2001. I just had to get a new transmission for ... the Honda. The good news is that Honda covered the entire cost under a special warranty for that model year. - Original Message - From: Don To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing I have heard the same thing about the transmissions, We have owned three caravans, all have been fine. know problem. for what ever that is worth. one caravan, we even pulled a small trailer. for what ever that is worth. Don - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cars and towing The only problem I see with Michael's suggestion to go with a Caravan is that the Caravan is notorious for transmission failures sooner rather than later. In fact, consumer reports has done an investigation and found that Dodge Caravans were 85% more likely to need a major transmission repair within the first three years of ownership, as opposed to the average 5 to 8 years of their competitors, and 9 to 11 years with the Japanese imports. I have known three Caravan's in my life, and each lived up to the consumer reports investigation. I'm not saying that I took bad care of it, I could see at the time, was driving it on a regular basis, and I had it serviced on regular intervals, as per manufacturer's standards. Either way, it might be worth looking into the report further, as I may be wrong on the numbers. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[BlindHandyMan] cars and towing
Hey Guys, I am having a car dilemma that I sure hope you guys can help me out with. My family currently has a Suburban, but it is time for something newer. We do a lot of camping and other activities for which we fill up the interior space and add a car top carrier. The gas mileage for around town is killing us though. My thought has been to replace it with a car that will hold our family of five, and then getting a trailer to tow with the other stuff when we need it. Can a car do this? Do I need a tow package? What questions am I not thinking to ask? I look forward to your answer and possible suggestions. We are still driving that Suburban with the busted out back window. My husband is itching to get something else soon. Jennifer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/86xolB/TM ~- To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
