Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
Spiro this is where we bought our stat. He even later sent us download manual and one on disk actually more than one as we thought it was lost and he did it for no charge. Excellent businessman and friendly too. I would certainly buy there again. Marie and I both agree. Bill To find out about our lists please go to http://www.geocities.com/wsvh7072/lists.html If you wish a copy of lists please Email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats this is where I will buy; when it's time. I've talked with the guy also and he's very cool, into his product, and will bac it in every way possible as well as being willing to make sure without a doubt you know which one to buy; that you know what to expect and have a beginning idea of how to get it going when it arrives. Thumbs up for this guy and the VIP thermo! On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Don wrote: Hey Steve, try the following link. www.talkingthermostat.com We talked to the owner of this company one time on the show. I think these folks are great too deal with, and they make a fine product. On the other hand I know one person that has had problems with the Kelvin loosing it's memory, hell of a thing, grin. That's my two since worth. Regards - Original Message - From: Rhonda Steve To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
this is where I will buy; when it's time. I've talked with the guy also and he's very cool, into his product, and will bac it in every way possible as well as being willing to make sure without a doubt you know which one to buy; that you know what to expect and have a beginning idea of how to get it going when it arrives. Thumbs up for this guy and the VIP thermo! On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Don wrote: Hey Steve, try the following link. www.talkingthermostat.com We talked to the owner of this company one time on the show. I think these folks are great too deal with, and they make a fine product. On the other hand I know one person that has had problems with the Kelvin loosing it's memory, hell of a thing, grin. That's my two since worth. Regards - Original Message - From: Rhonda Steve To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
One more short thing. We haven't lost any memory either and these can be removed from the wall after the base is mounted, set, and replaced. Bill To find out about our lists please go to http://www.geocities.com/wsvh7072/lists.html If you wish a copy of lists please Email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats this is where I will buy; when it's time. I've talked with the guy also and he's very cool, into his product, and will bac it in every way possible as well as being willing to make sure without a doubt you know which one to buy; that you know what to expect and have a beginning idea of how to get it going when it arrives. Thumbs up for this guy and the VIP thermo! On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Don wrote: Hey Steve, try the following link. www.talkingthermostat.com We talked to the owner of this company one time on the show. I think these folks are great too deal with, and they make a fine product. On the other hand I know one person that has had problems with the Kelvin loosing it's memory, hell of a thing, grin. That's my two since worth. Regards - Original Message - From: Rhonda Steve To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
[BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
Steve, I have the talking thermostat sold by MaxiAids. I love it. Go the the maxiAid site and read up on it www.maxiaid.com thanks Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rhonda Steve Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:06 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
Hey Steve, try the following link. www.talkingthermostat.com We talked to the owner of this company one time on the show. I think these folks are great too deal with, and they make a fine product. On the other hand I know one person that has had problems with the Kelvin loosing it's memory, hell of a thing, grin. That's my two since worth. Regards - Original Message - From: Rhonda Steve To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
Hi gang. Ours is a Talking VIP Thermostat which has run entirely troublefree. We have had it aqbout 2 plus years. When I push the button on the top left for support it audibly tells me to call 504 [733-5888] for assistance. I am sure they wouldn't mind if you mentioned us, but it is strictly voluntary. Do use good batteries. We just started our second set and I don't think the first set was entirely dead yet. This doesn't utilize furnace power I believe. bill To find out about our lists please go to http://www.geocities.com/wsvh7072/lists.html If you wish a copy of lists please Email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey Steve, try the following link. www.talkingthermostat.com We talked to the owner of this company one time on the show. I think these folks are great too deal with, and they make a fine product. On the other hand I know one person that has had problems with the Kelvin loosing it's memory, hell of a thing, grin. That's my two since worth. Regards - Original Message - From: Rhonda Steve To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
Those thermostats aren't old enough to have a memory problem. Are they? hahaha - Original Message - From: Don To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey Steve, try the following link. www.talkingthermostat.com We talked to the owner of this company one time on the show. I think these folks are great too deal with, and they make a fine product. On the other hand I know one person that has had problems with the Kelvin loosing it's memory, hell of a thing, grin. That's my two since worth. Regards - Original Message - From: Rhonda Steve To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
Man, they sure shouldn't be. I have heard of a case of the stat sticking on, and the furnace running all day. Not good, grin. Regards - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Those thermostats aren't old enough to have a memory problem. Are they? hahaha - Original Message - From: Don To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey Steve, try the following link. www.talkingthermostat.com We talked to the owner of this company one time on the show. I think these folks are great too deal with, and they make a fine product. On the other hand I know one person that has had problems with the Kelvin loosing it's memory, hell of a thing, grin. That's my two since worth. Regards - Original Message - From: Rhonda Steve To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats
Hi Rhonda Steve, I have had my thermostat from TalkingThermostat.com for two and a half years now and we really like it. Janet and I are, like you, both blind. You can set it all up with voice prompts four cycles a day, five and two days so week-end hours can be set different to week-day hours. We have ours set to 21C at 6:30 a.m. Because my wife is home all day we don't set it back but at 7 p.m. when we are more likely to be sitting around at the television it comes up to 22C then down to 16C over night. On Saturday and Sunday I think it turns up at 7:30 in the morning. You can clip it off of the wall to set it from your armchair if you like. I don't think I have changed the batteries yet but I am not sure of that. There are two models, one I have runs a standard 24 volt system but there is one for the 110 volt systems common to heat pumps. When I bought mine they weren't shipping to Canada because apparently people were refusing to pay the customs so they ended up getting them back plus shipping but I happened to be going to a professional convention in Houston and they shipped it to my hotel. I smuggled it across the boarder only to discover later that having been out of the country five days I didn't need to, I could have declared it and brought it in legitimately. I recommend you try www.talkingthermostats.com - Original Message - From: Rhonda Steve To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking Thermostats Hey, my lady I would like to get a thermostat we can use. Neither of us has any sight at all. She doesn't want something that is primarily voice activated though, would like 1 we can program ourselves, know the temp its set at, etc. Would like to hear experiences of others, what's out there, what's good what's not. She has done some reading on the Kelvin talking thermostat, but there are more available than just that one. Thanks for any input. Steve Rhonda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1293 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 9:21 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] talking thermostats
David, I have the VIP 1000 talking thermostat from www.talkingthermostats.com out of Minnesota. I got it a month ago for $129 and I have been quite happy with it. This is the model that does not have the voice activation. The VIP 1000 is intended for use with a standard HVAC system. If you have a heat pump, they have the VIP 2000 for about $159 These come with instructions on CD. Regards. Tony At 10:12 8/18/2006 -0400, you wrote: Thanks Mr. Dan. I don't think I would want something else around here that ignores me when I speak. I thought there were more than just the single choice, and I knew about that web site from handyman show 69 I believe it was. David Ferrin mailto:dpf%40jaws-users.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness, that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: BHM Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] talking thermostats I believe there are two different talking thermostats out there: www.talkingthermostat.com and search for kelvin talking thermostat The kelvin is the one that is not only talking but accepts spoken commands. Later. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] talking thermostats
This is what I wanted to know, thank you. David Ferrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness, that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Anthony Schnurr To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] talking thermostats David, I have the VIP 1000 talking thermostat from www.talkingthermostats.com out of Minnesota. I got it a month ago for $129 and I have been quite happy with it. This is the model that does not have the voice activation. The VIP 1000 is intended for use with a standard HVAC system. If you have a heat pump, they have the VIP 2000 for about $159 These come with instructions on CD. Regards. Tony At 10:12 8/18/2006 -0400, you wrote: Thanks Mr. Dan. I don't think I would want something else around here that ignores me when I speak. I thought there were more than just the single choice, and I knew about that web site from handyman show 69 I believe it was. David Ferrin mailto:dpf%40jaws-users.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness, that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: BHM Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] talking thermostats I believe there are two different talking thermostats out there: www.talkingthermostat.com and search for kelvin talking thermostat The kelvin is the one that is not only talking but accepts spoken commands. Later. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] talking thermostats
Commented within your original message. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Jim Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] talking thermostats I am curious about this and I know there is about 4 or 5 of them on the market. I have forced air and central air so I am in need of something like this I believe my thermostat has a 4 wire hookup. I am interested in others that have purchased this or other talking models. I have had the one from Talking Thermostats.com for nearly a year. We like it well, it has been telling me that I need to change my filter and have my furnace serviced for some time now and I haven't got around to figuring out how to stop that message but that only happens when I ask to hear the temperature or status. 1. durability Appears to be fine, only had it about nine months though. 2. accurate Seems to be accurate. 3. clear voice and hopefully nice on the ears as some are tinny or just irritating The speaker is pretty small so only so good but it is clear. 4. easy to use We don't seem to have much trouble using it except that I am pretty stupid about remembering what buttons do what. With all the different remote controls and other devices around here I find my aging brain just doesn't keep all that straight. 5. functionality and expandable / programmable There are two sets of programming available, week-day and week-end and within eack of those there are four programmes so you can turn the temperature up, down then up and down again in each cycle or the other way around. 6 other things I forgot. The device can be removed from the wall to be programmed from the comfort of an easy chair. Thanks for your input/thoughts. You are welcome. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Eden Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:22 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] talking thermostats I just bought the Calvin talking thermostat, and apart from learning my way through the four daily programs, I find it's excellent value for $149 US it is a full-featured thermostat and has the added advantage of being able to receive raise or lower temperature commands by voice. It comes with a CD that is full of well constructed audio instructions. I picked it up from independent living aids and apart from the costs I had to incur getting it over the border, I'm very pleased. Geoff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 1/08/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman