Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk
HI Max, I would agree if you were building a pre-fab desk purchased at Wal-Mart, IKEA or the Pottery Barn, but if he's going to build it himself, he could install easily removable latches that he could simply unlatch should he ever need to move the beast. Something similar to the leaflet on a dining room table, you know, those classic kinds where you would just extend the table if you had extra guests, insert the leaflet, and lock it in place. When your guests were gone, you just unlocked it and removed it and stuck it back in your daughter's closet. Grin. Anyway, that's what I was thinking of. Victor
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Bill, Smart is the only ass I know how to be. *GRIN* I personally would suggest considering the 45 degree section between the legs of the L. It allows you to sit in the corner of the L with easy access to both legs of the L but also allows you to have table surface directly in front of you. Here at work, my desk has a curve instead of a 90 degree corner or 45 degree transition. It is quite comfy, but probably more work than it is worth to try and build that yourself. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081
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Oh yes. That sounds like it will work. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk HI Max, I would agree if you were building a pre-fab desk purchased at Wal-Mart, IKEA or the Pottery Barn, but if he's going to build it himself, he could install easily removable latches that he could simply unlatch should he ever need to move the beast. Something similar to the leaflet on a dining room table, you know, those classic kinds where you would just extend the table if you had extra guests, insert the leaflet, and lock it in place. When your guests were gone, you just unlocked it and removed it and stuck it back in your daughter's closet. Grin. Anyway, that's what I was thinking of. Victor To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM
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You know, this reminds me that I took a 3 by 3 foot area in my little office, grabbed some 2 by 4s mounted those to the walls, slapped a 3 by 3 foot sheet of (I'll spell this wrong) melomine and used that. Then I took a 2 by 3 piece and put it up as a shelf above for this and that. The only problem is now I switched to a Mac so have to stand up to reach the damned machine. I was considering modifying this setup a bit, but probably won't only cause it holds my laptop I bring home from the office and the big HP all in one which is actually a network appliance. I could probably have planned this better, but the I had looked at counter tops and just couldn't find one deep enough. The unfortunate part is with this desk arrangement I got a strip to go along the front edge and you iron it on. Well the chair over time has caught that stuff at time and pulled it loose. What I'd like to find is a piece of edging that is rounded and would glue or screw to the front edge and maybe that would hold better. On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Max Robinson wrote: You can buy preformed kitchen counter top that has a splash guard on the back. I have used it for work benches and computer desks. It has a slight rise at the front edge to keep things like pencils from rolling off. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Although it is true that it can be wasted space, since I am too cheap to buy a new space-saving monitor and I'm blind as a bat, I push the monitor back in that corner. Also, I thought of something else. This is always a dilemma. Do you put the desk right up against the wall so that nothing falls behind it and you can't get in there to mess with plugs and the like? Or, you could put a nice lip along the edges so things stay on the desk. Betsy At 02:03 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: The main trouble with an L shape is that it has a corner which usually ends up being wasted space and eventually, becomes a junk collector. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking
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Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Bill, You'll definitely want a hydrolic or neumatic piston to raise and lower the monitor, via push button from the command panel on one side of the desk. Let's see, possibly a gas engine powered paper shredder, it takes quite a bit of horse power to shred a phone book. You may want the entire desk to raise and lower as well, to accommodate people of various hights. I'll see if I can up with anything else. *GRIN* -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081
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Dan my friend, you forgot the partition for the coffee pot and toaster. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, You'll definitely want a hydrolic or neumatic piston to raise and lower the monitor, via push button from the command panel on one side of the desk. Let's see, possibly a gas engine powered paper shredder, it takes quite a bit of horse power to shred a phone book. You may want the entire desk to raise and lower as well, to accommodate people of various hights. I'll see if I can up with anything else. *GRIN* -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Aloha Bill, The three things I don't have at my desk that I wish I did are a place the get the CPU off the floor, some really good device that would allow me to easily roll this monster out from the wall for cleaning the floor, and a nice neat way to harness all this spaghetti wiring. . I have an L shaped desk that would be 9 feet long if it were straight along the wall. This doesn't tell you how to create this, but it gives you a couple of things to consider. I have been looking for the perfect desk for about 30 years, grin. Betsy At 04:51 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hi David and Dan, you forgot the one thing that no blind person should be caught without. The partition for the microwave and hot plate. Evil Grin. Victor Gouveia
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Only idea that I have for this project is if you want to make an l shape desk I might suggest you make two sections. One for your desk and then make another separate unit to make the other part of the L My wife has this type of desc and it makes it very nice if you want to move it to a different part of the room or if you decide to move all together. This way you dont have to take it all apart and you have more flexibility. HTH -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:43 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:BillGallik%40centurytel.net - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Betsy, you say your CPU is on the floor. I often thought of having mine on the floor but mine has the CD drives built in the case. Just curious...are your's external? Or doesn't it seem to be a bother accessing the drives I guess maybe it might depend on where on the floor your CPU is located...Tell me more about your setup.? - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:33 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Aloha Bill, The three things I don't have at my desk that I wish I did are a place the get the CPU off the floor, some really good device that would allow me to easily roll this monster out from the wall for cleaning the floor, and a nice neat way to harness all this spaghetti wiring. . I have an L shaped desk that would be 9 feet long if it were straight along the wall. This doesn't tell you how to create this, but it gives you a couple of things to consider. I have been looking for the perfect desk for about 30 years, grin. Betsy At 04:51 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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My CD drives are on the front of the unit. They are internal. I also have 4 USB ports on that part of the unit. The narrow side of the unit is facing front, so accessing them is not a problem. It's just a pain to clean under the desk and for some reason, it seems that it collects more dust than the CPU that is for my secretary. Her's is in a compartment in her desk. Why don't I take her desk? It's not as big as mine because I need all the room for equipment. Betsy At 11:14 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: Betsy, you say your CPU is on the floor. I often thought of having mine on the floor but mine has the CD drives built in the case. Just curious...are your's external? Or doesn't it seem to be a bother accessing the drives I guess maybe it might depend on where on the floor your CPU is located...Tell me more about your setup.? - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:33 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Aloha Bill, The three things I don't have at my desk that I wish I did are a place the get the CPU off the floor, some really good device that would allow me to easily roll this monster out from the wall for cleaning the floor, and a nice neat way to harness all this spaghetti wiring. . I have an L shaped desk that would be 9 feet long if it were straight along the wall. This doesn't tell you how to create this, but it gives you a couple of things to consider. I have been looking for the perfect desk for about 30 years, grin. Betsy At 04:51 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit
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Thank you Betsy, This is precisely the type of thought I'm asking for in this thread. Your suggestions are very much appreciated -- unlike a few other wise asses whom shall go unmentioned!!! ;-) Hear that Dan, Dave, Victor??? Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout
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Don't forget to make the keyboard shelf not only slide but be height adjustable so when you get a braille display to go under your keyboard you can lower the shelf a bit to get best wrist and arm positioning for both. And a spot somewhere below for a UPS with big battteries enough to keep the refrigerator going for a while. tom
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It can be not a good idea to put the cpu on the floor as some of them take air in from the bottom and get more dust that way. Sorry Betsy Not that your place would dare get dustyGRIN Who am I to talk about dust free, my current linux box doesn't even have a covered case. Tom
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Oh you wound me and my kinsmen. That's all right you're allowed. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Thank you Betsy, This is precisely the type of thought I'm asking for in this thread. Your suggestions are very much appreciated -- unlike a few other wise asses whom shall go unmentioned!!! ;-) Hear that Dan, Dave, Victor??? Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Remember in trying to be neat with cables etc. not too make things so short and neat you can't move the cpu out to change or fuss with stuff and have enough play in the cables to run it with it out of position. Also not too tight a space for the cpu, it does need cool air from time to time. As for neat cables, don't you know they mate anyhow so no matter how neat you make them, it won't last. There are nice little double sided velcroe strips that you can wrap around bundles of cables but easilly remove. About as good as anything I've found. Tom
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I'm a definite supporter of humor... grin At 11:30 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: Thank you Betsy, This is precisely the type of thought I'm asking for in this thread. Your suggestions are very much appreciated -- unlike a few other wise asses whom shall go unmentioned!!! ;-) Hear that Dan, Dave, Victor??? Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
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Yes, I know it shouldn't be on the floor, but I can't stand to have this thing humming in my ears all day. My CPU, fortunately, does not have air vents on the bottom. Betsy At 11:37 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: It can be not a good idea to put the cpu on the floor as some of them take air in from the bottom and get more dust that way. Sorry Betsy Not that your place would dare get dustyGRIN Who am I to talk about dust free, my current linux box doesn't even have a covered case. Tom To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
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Thanks Robert, this goes in the notes, also! It actually prompted me to recall a desk I had in my bedroom while in high school; that was a three piece desk with the middle section being a pentagonal shape and I'm now considering how to incorporate this into the design. Again, Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout
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Tome, I'll take the first part of your suggestion under advisement (in the notes file), it's actually something to consider although I don't use a Braille display at all. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout
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Thanks Tom, some very sound points. Thank You, also! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout
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Bill! I have a straight desk and a full corner set-up that I like. I never liked the L shape I had before. The corner unit is the nicest since I put a book case at each end. It has shelves in the corner and along the top from one side to the other. The monitor fits in the middle under the shelf and scanner and printer sit on top in easy reach, one on each side. The best part is that everything is at an easy reach without getting up or out of the chair. ...bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi Bill, If you are wanting to be able to knock the desk down then I suggest a modular type of construction. Probably a box at the end of each leg of your 'L' to contain drawers or other shelves or partitions. You might like to consider a pair of single pedistal desks with the pedistals on opposite sides, one having the knee space much elongated to fit into the corner, the other shorter in length with a connection method to the larger desk. The desk I am working at here at work is this sort of arrangement except that the smaller desk is what used to be known as a typewriter return. I adapted it by purchasing a keyboard tray drawer which is nothing more than a box with the bottom on glides for the keyboard, the computer sits on top of that and the monitor on top of that again. This puts the keyboard at a good height as it would have been for an electric typewriter back when that occupied this space. If you use a tower style CPU you might want a rolling shelf to allow you to withdraw the tower so you can get to the connections at the rear. Similarly, a frontless drawer or one with a hinged drop front might serve to get the desktop style under the desk surface and out of the way. Be sure to allow for ventilation though. One arrangement I have found useful in the past is to have a power strip (or two) suspended at one edge of the knee space so, when you need to you can easily unplug a peripheral but also, it seems to me I was always wanting to plug in maybe my phone charger or a talking book player or any number of devices not dedicated to that location and nothing frustrates me much more than crawling about looking for an inconvenient power outlet. I wouldn't worry too much about storing software at your working desk. Usually you instal it and that is it. Find some other secure storage location so as not to use up valuable and limited desk real estate. If you use the printer much you might like to keep paper, envelopes and inc cartridges handy though. I too am contemplating a desk and considering a solution for convenient access to printer and scanner while not dominating desk surface. Trouble is size, I am considering a drawer arrangement too, maybe drop front style for the printer which will have to be fairly wide but the scanner is another issue. My problem though is that I want to design it into a roll-top desk for the corner of the kitchen/dining room with room for laptop and a brailler so when the top is down it all goes away.I thought of a fold out shelf with the scanner fixed to the inside so it stores on it's edge but when folded out is upright with plenty of room for the lid however that won't be convenient for reaching to flip pages and so on. Cables are a royal pain but one method that can work well is a piece of 2 inch plastic pipe with a split cut in it. Actually if you open a crack quarter of an inch wide along the length you can stuff any number of cables into it and extract what you want where you need it. There are now plastic spring like things too, something like those plastic combs used for binding books where the fingers can be slipped back and a connecter brought out for use. I have never got quite that organized, I do use a certain amount of Velcro around here though and sometimes a bit makes it's way home. I lay a strip along a wall or shelf then put small self adhesive strips at intervals around cables which I can then just press into place and they usually stay there.Still a little messy but it does simplify rearranging things when that is necessary. You have all the tools you really need, I like dove tail drawers and if you want you can make sliding dove tails at least for holding the fronts of drawers to the side walls without buying a dove tail jig with what you have. Carcass boxes for drawers and shelves aren't difficult and can be very strong with the advantage that when you move you pick up the box and everything in it, drawers and their contents comes with you. Once you know what you want, then is the time for construction detail. I try to avoid attached hardware drawer pulls and door pulls these days but when I do I usually set up a little jig of hardboard or thin plywood to align the holes. I can test the fit and know the screws will hit the holes in the hardware that way and with a square or rectangle of wood, locating them where I want them is much more easily measured. Hope this gives you a few ideas. It is a slow day at work today but I am expecting something in a couple of minutes so will close now. I can't sent from here but this will go when I get home. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men
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And maybe the gas powered shredder can have a PTO to run an office sized blender. And we might need to think about a hide away digital TV unit... - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Dan my friend, you forgot the partition for the coffee pot and toaster. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, You'll definitely want a hydrolic or neumatic piston to raise and lower the monitor, via push button from the command panel on one side of the desk. Let's see, possibly a gas engine powered paper shredder, it takes quite a bit of horse power to shred a phone book. You may want the entire desk to raise and lower as well, to accommodate people of various hights. I'll see if I can up with anything else. *GRIN* -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Not a TV possibly a CD system though. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk And maybe the gas powered shredder can have a PTO to run an office sized blender. And we might need to think about a hide away digital TV unit... - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Dan my friend, you forgot the partition for the coffee pot and toaster. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, You'll definitely want a hydrolic or neumatic piston to raise and lower the monitor, via push button from the command panel on one side of the desk. Let's see, possibly a gas engine powered paper shredder, it takes quite a bit of horse power to shred a phone book. You may want the entire desk to raise and lower as well, to accommodate people of various hights. I'll see if I can up with anything else. *GRIN* -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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The main trouble with an L shape is that it has a corner which usually ends up being wasted space and eventually, becomes a junk collector. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 5:47 PM
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Although it is true that it can be wasted space, since I am too cheap to buy a new space-saving monitor and I'm blind as a bat, I push the monitor back in that corner. Also, I thought of something else. This is always a dilemma. Do you put the desk right up against the wall so that nothing falls behind it and you can't get in there to mess with plugs and the like? Or, you could put a nice lip along the edges so things stay on the desk. Betsy At 02:03 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: The main trouble with an L shape is that it has a corner which usually ends up being wasted space and eventually, becomes a junk collector. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 5:47 PM To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org
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You can buy preformed kitchen counter top that has a splash guard on the back. I have used it for work benches and computer desks. It has a slight rise at the front edge to keep things like pencils from rolling off. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Although it is true that it can be wasted space, since I am too cheap to buy a new space-saving monitor and I'm blind as a bat, I push the monitor back in that corner. Also, I thought of something else. This is always a dilemma. Do you put the desk right up against the wall so that nothing falls behind it and you can't get in there to mess with plugs and the like? Or, you could put a nice lip along the edges so things stay on the desk. Betsy At 02:03 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: The main trouble with an L shape is that it has a corner which usually ends up being wasted space and eventually, becomes a junk collector. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review
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Some of those counters have the rise at the front and some don't. The one I used for the top of my work bench doesn't have the rise. earlier, Max Robinson, wrote: You can buy preformed kitchen counter top that has a splash guard on the back. I have used it for work benches and computer desks. It has a slight rise at the front edge to keep things like pencils from rolling off. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.nethttp://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.nethttp://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.comhttp://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, mailto:funwithtubes-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press mailto:brailleit%40hawaii.rr.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Although it is true that it can be wasted space, since I am too cheap to buy a new space-saving monitor and I'm blind as a bat, I push the monitor back in that corner. Also, I thought of something else. This is always a dilemma. Do you put the desk right up against the wall so that nothing falls behind it and you can't get in there to mess with plugs and the like? Or, you could put a nice lip along the edges so things stay on the desk. Betsy At 02:03 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: The main trouble with an L shape is that it has a corner which usually ends up being wasted space and eventually, becomes a junk collector. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.nethttp://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.nethttp://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.comhttp://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, mailto:funwithtubes-subscribe%40yahoogroups.co m[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh mailto:Lenny_McHugh%40verizon.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored
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Hi all, One thing to remember when building a compartment into a desk for a computer is to leave the back of the compartment open. This is necessary to provide good ventilation for the unit. Today's machines tend to run very warm so good ventilation is essential for the health of your machine. A large opening behind the case also provides ample room for the cables protruding from the back of the machine. Take care, Ed Przybylek _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:23 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk My CD drives are on the front of the unit. They are internal. I also have 4 USB ports on that part of the unit. The narrow side of the unit is facing front, so accessing them is not a problem. It's just a pain to clean under the desk and for some reason, it seems that it collects more dust than the CPU that is for my secretary. Her's is in a compartment in her desk. Why don't I take her desk? It's not as big as mine because I need all the room for equipment. Betsy At 11:14 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: Betsy, you say your CPU is on the floor. I often thought of having mine on the floor but mine has the CD drives built in the case. Just curious...are your's external? Or doesn't it seem to be a bother accessing the drives I guess maybe it might depend on where on the floor your CPU is located...Tell me more about your setup.? - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:33 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Aloha Bill, The three things I don't have at my desk that I wish I did are a place the get the CPU off the floor, some really good device that would allow me to easily roll this monster out from the wall for cleaning the floor, and a nice neat way to harness all this spaghetti wiring. . I have an L shaped desk that would be 9 feet long if it were straight along the wall. This doesn't tell you how to create this, but it gives you a couple of things to consider. I have been looking for the perfect desk for about 30 years, grin. Betsy At 04:51 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:BillGallik%40centurytel.net el.net - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio. http://acbradio.org/handyman.html org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio. ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday .org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws- http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail- http://www.mail
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ok heres my 2 cents worth. 1 use wire mold with a plug to have lots of out lets. or mount a good serge supresser under there in an easy to reach place. 2 make a rolling platform for the cpu to ride on. that way when you need to pull it out it just slides out so far. jim
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Actually Max, it doesn't have to be. With today's screens being what they are, flat panels would fit in nicely in those corner leaflets. I've always like the keyboard trays being in that corner, sliding out, so you're facing the corner instead of the sides, leaving you plenty of room for peripherals and writing space. It would also depend on who else is using the desk. For example, if it's just you, you don't need to accommodate room for writing notes on paper or anything like that, however, you may want to leave room on the desk surface for a Brailler, or Notetaker, or other implement that you can take away from the desk when you need to. If you have a sighted individual that will use the desk along with you, not necessarily at the same time though, that person may resent the fact that you didn't make enough room for them to write notes and the like to take with them. I'm not sure I'm explaining this right, so forgive me for not doing a better job of explaining my point. In any case, you could place a leaflet in the corner so it doesn't form an exact 90 degree angle, and create a sort of forty-five degree angle in the corner. Granted, this will take up a bit more space, but not in terms of space utilization with your desk. Victor
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Often when I make counters or other table type tops I dado a groove into the face of a 5 or 6 inch strip and fit that over the rear edge of the surface to form a sort of splash rail for that exact purpose as well as to stiffen the table surface and it makes a good mounting point below the surface if you want to screw it to a wall. I also usually run a pair of strips at right angles along the front edge, the first thickens the front edge improving the appearance and strength, the second on edge something like an angle iron would be stiffens the front. This forms a very rigid surface at a reasonable price. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Although it is true that it can be wasted space, since I am too cheap to buy a new space-saving monitor and I'm blind as a bat, I push the monitor back in that corner. Also, I thought of something else. This is always a dilemma. Do you put the desk right up against the wall so that nothing falls behind it and you can't get in there to mess with plugs and the like? Or, you could put a nice lip along the edges so things stay on the desk. Betsy At 02:03 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: The main trouble with an L shape is that it has a corner which usually ends up being wasted space and eventually, becomes a junk collector. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassemble (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so-handy guy to think about then taking on such a project. And here's a list of the tools I have at my disposal: - router with table and various bits - small portable ½ chuck drill press - bench top table saw - electric miter saw - small electric belt sander - the dowel joining tool discussed on this list last summer I have a fairly large heated garage where I'd build this desk and although I have used the above tools for various maintenance and repair I've never taken on building a piece of furniture before. I'm doing this because I'm somewhat bored and need a computer desk so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone so to speak. I'd appreciate any suggestions no matter how technical or not so technical. Thanks! Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than
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Another great idea for any computer desk is to install rollers on the thing. There is some sort of unwritten law that states all computer, television and stereo wires will entangle themselves and need to be completely re-done within 4 months. When this horrid situation arises it is *so* nice to be able to just roll the desk or cabinet out to work on the unidentifiable mess. Cy, the Ancient Okie... _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Max Robinson Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:28 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk You can buy preformed kitchen counter top that has a splash guard on the back. I have used it for work benches and computer desks. It has a slight rise at the front edge to keep things like pencils from rolling off. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: HYPERLINK mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site HYPERLINK http://www.funwithtransistors.nethttp://www.funwitht-ransistors.-net Vacuum tube site: HYPERLINK http://www.funwithtubes.nethttp://www.funwitht-ubes.net Music site: HYPERLINK http://www.maxsmusicplace.comhttp://www.maxsmusi-cplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, HYPERLINK mailto:funwithtubes-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.-com - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press HYPERLINK mailto:brailleit%40hawaii.rr.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Although it is true that it can be wasted space, since I am too cheap to buy a new space-saving monitor and I'm blind as a bat, I push the monitor back in that corner. Also, I thought of something else. This is always a dilemma. Do you put the desk right up against the wall so that nothing falls behind it and you can't get in there to mess with plugs and the like? Or, you could put a nice lip along the edges so things stay on the desk. Betsy At 02:03 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: The main trouble with an L shape is that it has a corner which usually ends up being wasted space and eventually, becomes a junk collector. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: HYPERLINK mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site HYPERLINK http://www.funwithtransistors.nethttp://www.funwitht-ransistors.-net Vacuum tube site: HYPERLINK http://www.funwithtubes.nethttp://www.funwitht-ubes.net Music site: HYPERLINK http://www.maxsmusicplace.comhttp://www.maxsmusi-cplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, HYPERLINK mailto:funwithtubes-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.-com - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh HYPERLINK mailto:Lenny_McHugh%40verizon.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Bill, I have been entertaining the thought of constructing one when I re do this back room. I decided against the L shape a long time ago. I have an old L shape knock down unit that I changed for a long unit and built a small shelf between the printer stand and the main unit. If you are always be the only one sitting at the computer the L shape is fine. My kids and now my grandson like to sit with a friend and play games together. The single work station does not work very well for this. I still deserve a swift kick. A few years back the local hospital was replacing room doors. The old doors were solid 2 thick 4x6 foot mahogany and a friend wanted me to take these for future projects. I could have had about 75 to 100 doors but had no place to store them. What a fantastic top would they have made. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: Blind Handy Man Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Hi all you handy men (and gals), I'm posting here because I'm planning on building a computer desk and would appreciate any design features that you might think would be neat, clever, necessary and/or maximally functional. For example, I'd like this desk to have the following features: - L shaped to fit snugly in a corner of my basement - convenient to assemble/disassembl-e (just in case I move) - slide-out keyboard tray at the angle of the L - drawers to store paper, software, storage media, folders, file folders, etc. - peripheral shelves for printer, scanner, modem, router (would especially appreciate suggestions on this) Anyway, I suspect you get the idea. This would be a first time wood working project so I'd likewise appreciate advice on techniques for constructing drawers, shelves, centering drawer handles and anything you might think would be helpful for a totally blind maybe-not-so
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Well I guess I relate the three different desks I have lived with and some of the good and bad parts of them. My first was a old metal army desk that elvolved into a longer desk with a nine foot extenion fixed to the wall wtih 45 degree angle braces. With bookshelves over head, a c c t v, a 23 inch monitor, a stand alone scanner and a printer it all strung out and took up most of the length. The major help here was a office chair that reclined fairly nice, with rollers on the legs and having a tile floor for ease of movement from one spot to another. Yes it was all strung out in a line. Next I moved up stairs into a narrow bedroom. I had two desks with a somewhat narrow walkway between. The large monitor, tower, and combo scanner,printer was on the one desk. Across the walkway was the C C T V monitor and camera. This worked fair once I got it a little offset so I could read on the C C T V screen and type on the computer. Bad was the carpet with pad and the bearings starting to fall out of the cair leg rollers. Finally when I moved in June the room was very small. I moved one of the tradetional desks from upstairs and cut it down in length so it could fit into the room. On it I placed the tower on the end against the wall, then a new flat screen monitor then the C C T V camer and then a monitor for it. On the wall back of this in the other room I placed the printer/scanner with cable through on top of a couple of file cabinets. The stand alone fax is on another file cabinet next to it.. I have replaced the rollers with new ones and the carpet is on concrete slab with no pad. The easy moving chair for me is a must.. The desk stands away from the wall enough for all excess cable to fall behind, but is still relatively easy to retrieve, but is out of sight.. As for storing software, paper, ink and the like there are in the file cabinets just outside the door. Of course I have book shelves above the desk The standred desk has three drawers on each side and sadely the keyboard is at desk heigh of the 30 inches. Not ideal for some but I tend to kick the chair back into a tilt so it works for me. My arms actually rest on the chair arms rather than the desk. The keyboard is at the front edbge mostly in front of the camera table. Sometiems it seems tight, but in a way efficient. If I was wishing I would like the tower in a shelf, or tall drawer below the desk top. Well I have rambled a bit and probably haven't given any advice other than I like a chair that works for me. Ron - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Thank you Betsy, This is precisely the type of thought I'm asking for in this thread. Your suggestions are very much appreciated -- unlike a few other wise asses whom shall go unmentioned!!! ;-) Hear that Dan, Dave, Victor??? Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Nothing is more admirable than the fortitude with which millionaires tolerate the disadvantages of their wealth. - Rex Stout [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi Victor. You explained it well. I agree that if you make a 45 degree front on the corner you can use that space much better. It would be a little harder to cut the material and harder to move from one house to another. I used to own a corner desk. It was a real bear to move. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Brainstorming Design for Computer Desk Actually Max, it doesn't have to be. With today's screens being what they are, flat panels would fit in nicely in those corner leaflets. I've always like the keyboard trays being in that corner, sliding out, so you're facing the corner instead of the sides, leaving you plenty of room for peripherals and writing space. It would also depend on who else is using the desk. For example, if it's just you, you don't need to accommodate room for writing notes on paper or anything like that, however, you may want to leave room on the desk surface for a Brailler, or Notetaker, or other implement that you can take away from the desk when you need to. If you have a sighted individual that will use the desk along with you, not necessarily at the same time though, that person may resent the fact that you didn't make enough room for them to write notes and the like to take with them. I'm not sure I'm explaining this right, so forgive me for not doing a better job of explaining my point. In any case, you could place a leaflet in the corner so it doesn't form an exact 90 degree angle, and create a sort of forty-five degree angle in the corner. Granted, this will take up a bit more space, but not in terms of space utilization with your desk. Victor To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 5:47 PM
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A friend of mine has a fold-down piece on the side of her desk so that when she is working, she just folds out this board that matches the top of her desk and then there is three more feet of space for her kids to use. It has a leg that folds out to support it. The actual side of the desk has a space to accommodate the thickness of the leg when the extension is folded down. I hope this make sense, Betsy At 03:57 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: Actually Max, it doesn't have to be. With today's screens being what they are, flat panels would fit in nicely in those corner leaflets. I've always like the keyboard trays being in that corner, sliding out, so you're facing the corner instead of the sides, leaving you plenty of room for peripherals and writing space. It would also depend on who else is using the desk. For example, if it's just you, you don't need to accommodate room for writing notes on paper or anything like that, however, you may want to leave room on the desk surface for a Brailler, or Notetaker, or other implement that you can take away from the desk when you need to. If you have a sighted individual that will use the desk along with you, not necessarily at the same time though, that person may resent the fact that you didn't make enough room for them to write notes and the like to take with them. I'm not sure I'm explaining this right, so forgive me for not doing a better job of explaining my point. In any case, you could place a leaflet in the corner so it doesn't form an exact 90 degree angle, and create a sort of forty-five degree angle in the corner. Granted, this will take up a bit more space, but not in terms of space utilization with your desk. Victor To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
