Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
call it Global warming or whatever but this is surely a weird winter a few days ago I could have worn a windbreaker here in the Northeast and this morning we are held hostage by a rain/ snow sleet mix. . I am prepared here as are most of those who live with me . oddly enough I wonder if someone has moved my short extension cord I made up for the generator box.. I had that short extension cord should we have along power outage again to run from the battery maintainer/ charger to one of the outlets on the generator to keep a full load of energy at all times in the battery to restart this generator. my only other goal as a handyman or not is to install a natural gas conversion kit so we never run out of fuel . and I am tickled pink that a generous brother in law donated this big machine some time ago. . Lee -- April 1 This is the day upon which we are reminded of what we are on the other three hundred and sixty-four. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
it's so hard to breath in my attic, (hate to sound whimpy) I'm not looking to be bitten. Maybe going up there in the winter would be a good idea. On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, Scott Howell wrote: I think I have now a total of 12 to 16 inches of insulation, but can't quite recall because I did not measure. I was so determine to get it down and get out that I forgot to measure, but it for sure is not less than 12 inches and probably a bit more than that. I purchased R30 insulation unfaced and added that on top of what was there and I have no idea what that stuff was because it probably is the original insulation installed when the house was built. I'm pretty certain it has helped this WInter in either case. If I didn't use some of my attic for storage, I would have done the blown-n method for sure. Good info to have, thanks. On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi, I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30. It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor you ask for. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spiro Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per R? So r30 is ? Congrats on your relocation. On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote: They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad memories now and then... - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
69 inches of snow this season for Philadelphia. There was a day in December, during that snow; which made the announcer comment that PA, FL, and Alaska were all holding 28 degrees. On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, Lenny McHugh wrote: Yes I must agree with David, I don't understand this climate change. Watching some of the Olympics it has been colder here in the North East Pa. than Vancouver. Tomorrow were to get rain changing to snow, something new! - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Send some of that lovely heat over here would you please. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik billgal...@centurytel.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Cheryl, The last thing those of us living in the Snow Belt need is to hear about this subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-) Please note, for those of you unaware, the :-) is the emoticon symbolizing a smile. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4885 (20100221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Hi Dave, I sort of suspected that would be a little normal. After all, we did only get a total of about 50 inches of snow or so and that is not including the snow we got just before Christmas. We certainly have gotten more snow than I can recall in all the years I've been living in this area. I mean I remember some pretty big storms back in my youth, but I don't think they quite were this large. grin. On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi Scott, It does sound like you have insulated well. That is good. You are correct. There does need to be airflow and so not covering up the vents at the end was a good thing. Sometimes icicles do happen. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:42 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi, I could easily see how this is a problem. I just added insulation to my attic and it was R30, which was rolled out over what was already there. The way my attic is configured is that at the ends of the roof, there is an empty area, which I gather is called the eves. The reason why I say gather is because what is interesting to me and I can't compare this to any other roofs as I have not crawled into a tun of attics, but there are vented panels that are on the underside of the roof. These have no wood, they are instead open. What I mean is if you removed the panels, you would be able to put your hand directly into the attic and touch the underside of the roof. So, I did not put insulation clear to the edge, but instead took it out to just the point behind this open area because I did not want to block the airflow. So, I found some small ice sickles, which seem to be more likely water that may have run backward or maybe more accurately off the edge of the gutter and flowed back under the eve. I'm making an assumption here because the ice sickles just seem to be hanging there, not quite attached to a flow, other than what was coming down over the edge of the gutter. When I have the roof replaced at some point and I mean replaced, not reshingled, I will check into barriers etc. I have not gone into the attic to see what is going on and I probably should. So, far we have not noticed any water coming into the home and I did go up and tear off the leaf guard things and busted up a lot of the ice in the gutters. So, maybe this will help get things flowing properly. :) This has been the worst WInter I can recall. And imagine, it will apparently rain or snow some on MOnday, which should add insult to injury. On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
I think I have now a total of 12 to 16 inches of insulation, but can't quite recall because I did not measure. I was so determine to get it down and get out that I forgot to measure, but it for sure is not less than 12 inches and probably a bit more than that. I purchased R30 insulation unfaced and added that on top of what was there and I have no idea what that stuff was because it probably is the original insulation installed when the house was built. I'm pretty certain it has helped this WInter in either case. If I didn't use some of my attic for storage, I would have done the blown-n method for sure. Good info to have, thanks. On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi, I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30. It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor you ask for. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spiro Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per R? So r30 is ? Congrats on your relocation. On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote: They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad memories now and then... - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
Aloha everyone, This is Sheryl in Honolulu Hawaii. The only thing I can say about this subject which I find interesting is BUR!!! Have a great day. Aloha Sheryl t 12:28 AM 2/21/2010, you wrote: I think I have now a total of 12 to 16 inches of insulation, but can't quite recall because I did not measure. I was so determine to get it down and get out that I forgot to measure, but it for sure is not less than 12 inches and probably a bit more than that. I purchased R30 insulation unfaced and added that on top of what was there and I have no idea what that stuff was because it probably is the original insulation installed when the house was built. I'm pretty certain it has helped this WInter in either case. If I didn't use some of my attic for storage, I would have done the blown-n method for sure. Good info to have, thanks. On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dave Andrus wrote: Hi, I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30. It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor you ask for. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spiro Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per R? So r30 is ? Congrats on your relocation. On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote: They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad memories now and then... - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters
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Cheryl, The last thing those of us living in the Snow Belt need is to hear about this subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-) Please note, for those of you unaware, the :-) is the emoticon symbolizing a smile. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Send some of that lovely heat over here would you please. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik billgal...@centurytel.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Cheryl, The last thing those of us living in the Snow Belt need is to hear about this subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-) Please note, for those of you unaware, the :-) is the emoticon symbolizing a smile. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
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Yes I must agree with David, I don't understand this climate change. Watching some of the Olympics it has been colder here in the North East Pa. than Vancouver. Tomorrow were to get rain changing to snow, something new! - Original Message - From: David Ferrin d...@jaws-users.com To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Send some of that lovely heat over here would you please. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik billgal...@centurytel.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Cheryl, The last thing those of us living in the Snow Belt need is to hear about this subject from the Pineapple Gallery!:-) Please note, for those of you unaware, the :-) is the emoticon symbolizing a smile. Holland's Person, Bill - Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4885 (20100221) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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so far there is dust on our roof rake lets keep it that way. one day closer to summer. L -- April 1 This is the day upon which we are reminded of what we are on the other three hundred and sixty-four. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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yep sure will a rubber roof with steel over it. i mean if were going to do it lets do it good. jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Which proves my point, wait untill spring. From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he said Thursday. I'm worried that it will get worse. The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know. Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, homeowners' rates generally won't be affected. However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof, or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to wait until the ice and snow are gone. Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped behind an ice dam from getting through. But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. Even if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse. So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it can't drip into your house. Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the gutters finally melts. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2fhttp:// www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather is: Silver Springs, Florida Clear, 42°F Wind:N-010° at 3mph Only a fool tests the depth of the water with both feet. Anna text of forwarded message ends: John Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 64°F Wind:SSW-200° at 6mph Lactomangulation: Manhandling the 'open here' spout on a milk container so badly that one has to resort to the 'illegal' side. Created by Weather Signature v1.31 http://www.weathersig.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Why dont you just throw some of that majestic ice melt up there? From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:26 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! There may be no direct heat source but, might there be sun warming the porch or was it maybe stuck on to keep cold entering the house through the door in which case it is also harvesting heat from inside the door. The snow on the roof will insulate the under side of the decking from the cold above so heat from below will melt the snow immediately above the roof. Well until the water runs over the eve where it is cold and freezes again forming the dam. It might also be that the leak is where the roof of the porch meets the house depending on how that structure was built. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! I wonder what caused the problem at my daughter's home. Her front porch is on the south west side of the house. Right now there is a major leak somewhere on the porch roof. There was about 30 inches of snow. Now the downspout is frozen solid and some major ice dams and icicles. There is no heat source under the roof, - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus dave.and...@blindmission.org mailto:dave.andrus%40blindmission.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he said Thursday. I'm worried that it will get worse. The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know. Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, homeowners' rates generally won't be affected. However
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sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per R? So r30 is ? Congrats on your relocation. On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote: They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad memories now and then... - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he said Thursday. I'm worried that it will get worse. The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know. Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, homeowners' rates generally won't be affected. However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof, or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to wait until the ice and snow are gone. Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped behind an ice dam from getting through. But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. Even if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse. So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it can't drip into your house. Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the gutters finally melts. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post
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Hi, I believe its 8 inches of bat insulation is r30. It does not hurt to have 36 to 40. this would be ganed by blowing in insulation. The company would factor the depth based on how much R factor you ask for. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spiro Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:29 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! sorry, how many inches of fiberglass per R? So r30 is ? Congrats on your relocation. On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Bob Kennedy wrote: They suggest R30 in the attic here too but that's to keep the air conditioning in the house during the summer. Thank God there is not enough snow to worry about any longer. Those years in Buffalo still bring bad memories now and then... - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he said Thursday. I'm worried that it will get worse. The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know. Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, homeowners' rates generally won't be affected. However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof, or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to wait until the ice and snow are gone. Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
I tossed some on the auning, and it accelerated what fell off. On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Tom Hodges wrote: Why don?t you just throw some of that majestic ice melt up there? From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:26 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! There may be no direct heat source but, might there be sun warming the porch or was it maybe stuck on to keep cold entering the house through the door in which case it is also harvesting heat from inside the door. The snow on the roof will insulate the under side of the decking from the cold above so heat from below will melt the snow immediately above the roof. Well until the water runs over the eve where it is cold and freezes again forming the dam. It might also be that the leak is where the roof of the porch meets the house depending on how that structure was built. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! I wonder what caused the problem at my daughter's home. Her front porch is on the south west side of the house. Right now there is a major leak somewhere on the porch roof. There was about 30 inches of snow. Now the downspout is frozen solid and some major ice dams and icicles. There is no heat source under the roof, - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus dave.and...@blindmission.org mailto:dave.andrus%40blindmission.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he said Thursday. I'm worried that it will get worse. The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know. Mr
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wow that is the problem i have had for 3 years now. and its a real drag as it just loves to leak over my side of the bed. aaarg is that cold when you don't expect it at 3 in the morning. this year i had a kid come over and use a snow rake to rake the snow off of the roof. also it leaked between the the front door frame and the inner wall. causing the door frame to squeeze in and keep the door from closing. finally i got smart and let a space heater blow on the wall and frame for about 5 hours and it melted the ice in there and let me close the door. Jim in Minnesota [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sometimes what you are finding is from condensation on the under side of the roof deck. When it is cold, moisture from inside the heated space escaping up into the attic space condenses on the cold under side of the roof deck. It freezes there and the ice builds up on the under side of the roof deck. when things warm up the ice melts and the water falls soaking any ceiling insulation until it begins dripping through. We have had many discussions here on the various merits of attic ventilation and of course vapour barriers. Tings like light junction boxes are quite large ports for escaping moisture and it is why things like bathroom fans should not vent directly into attic spaces. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: jim To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! wow that is the problem i have had for 3 years now. and its a real drag as it just loves to leak over my side of the bed. aaarg is that cold when you don't expect it at 3 in the morning. this year i had a kid come over and use a snow rake to rake the snow off of the roof. also it leaked between the the front door frame and the inner wall. causing the door frame to squeeze in and keep the door from closing. finally i got smart and let a space heater blow on the wall and frame for about 5 hours and it melted the ice in there and let me close the door. Jim in Minnesota [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he said Thursday. I'm worried that it will get worse. The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know. Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, homeowners' rates generally won't be affected. However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof, or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to wait until the ice and snow are gone. Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped behind an ice dam from getting through. But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. Even if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse. So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it can't drip into your house. Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the gutters finally melts. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather is: Silver Springs, Florida Clear, 42°F Wind:N-010° at 3mph Only a fool tests the depth of the water with both feet. Anna text of forwarded message ends: John Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 64°F Wind:SSW-200° at 6mph Lactomangulation: Manhandling the 'open here' spout on a milk container so badly that one has to resort to the 'illegal' side. Created by Weather Signature v1.31 http://www.weathersig.com http://www.weathersig.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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this sounds like there are some serious inner structural events going on. When we get out of the recession, get a rubber roof; and one for me too, okay? On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, jim wrote: wow that is the problem i have had for 3 years now. and its a real drag as it just loves to leak over my side of the bed. aaarg is that cold when you don't expect it at 3 in the morning. this year i had a kid come over and use a snow rake to rake the snow off of the roof. also it leaked between the the front door frame and the inner wall. causing the door frame to squeeze in and keep the door from closing. finally i got smart and let a space heater blow on the wall and frame for about 5 hours and it melted the ice in there and let me close the door. Jim in Minnesota [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!!
I wonder what caused the problem at my daughter's home. Her front porch is on the south west side of the house. Right now there is a major leak somewhere on the porch roof. There was about 30 inches of snow. Now the downspout is frozen solid and some major ice dams and icicles. There is no heat source under the roof, - Original Message - From: Dave Andrus dave.and...@blindmission.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Hi everyone, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. We were always told that if you have icicles it means you do not have enough insulation in the attic. When the sun melts snow from the top the water runs off the top. If you have ice dams and icicles this means melt from the underside. This can only happen from heat coming up from the rooms below. Certainly there are a few exceptions to this situation, but I suggest you find out how much insulation you have. We now live in st. Louis. Both here and up north they suggest an R30 or above for the attic. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john schwery Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:14 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fwd: Speaking of icicles!! Dan, here is an article from a Burgh paper. My wife is from the Burgh and gets articles like this. text of forwarded message follows: Don't flip, homeowners, just let the water drip Friday, February 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette When water is dripping down your walls and pooling on the floor, you don't want to hear someone say: Do nothing. Yet, that's probably the best advice roofers and insurance agents have for the thousands of homeowners affected this week by ice dams. If you are one of them, your best hope for relief is that temperatures go up or down -- soon. Every house has tons of icicles hanging from gutters. It's very picturesque but it's bad news for homeowners and for us, said David Thomas of Thomas McMenamin, an Upper St. Clair insurance agency. Mr. Thomas, a part owner, has heard from nearly two dozen homeowners complaining of interior leaking over the last two weeks. And he's expecting a lot more. As long as temperatures stay around freezing, snow and ice will continue to thaw and refreeze on the roof, where ice at the edge holds back water behind it. That water works its way through the shingles -- even climbing up a pitched roof -- and drips down inside the walls, damaging wallboard, trim, insulation and sometimes flooring. So what can you do? Nothing, except catch or mop up the water you can see and maybe poke a hole in the wall or ceiling to drain what you can't see. Sam W. Gregg, 79, of Peters, said that about four days ago, he and his wife noticed water dripping down a window in the dining room of their 50-year-old home. Then, the same thing happened in their living room and two bedrooms. Since it was a little warmer today, it's getting heavier, he said Thursday. I'm worried that it will get worse. The Greggs replace soaked towels on the windowsills every six hours or so. They haven't filed a homeowners claim yet but figured they should let Mr. Thomas know. Mr. Thomas said most water damage claims will be covered. And since large insurance carriers have designated this a catastrophe loss, homeowners' rates generally won't be affected. However, that doesn't mean insurance companies will replace your roof, or pay to make sure this doesn't happen again. For that, you'll have to wait until the ice and snow are gone. Installing loops of heat tape -- electrical wire or tape that can be plugged into an outlet -- will create gaps in the ice at the eaves to allow water to run off. An even better solution is to have a roofer install an ice and water shield beneath the bottom 3 or 4 feet of shingles. This adhesive rubber membrane will prevent water trapped behind an ice dam from getting through. But no one -- roofers included -- should be working up there now. Even if you could safely work on an icy, pitched roof, removing snow or chipping away ice won't help and might just make it worse. So for now, experts say, mop up, stay off the roof and pray that temperatures drop into the 20s and stay there. As long as it's ice, it can't drip into your house. Then hope temperatures gradually reach the 40s, and that ice in the gutters finally melts. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10050/1037001-258.stm#ixzz0fzU2Gv2f From Our Neck Of The World, our current weather is: Silver
