RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-22 Thread Larry Stansifer
This is the last time you will need sighted assistance. Grab the resident
pair of eye-balls and ask. This is the time when you want to take your
favorite tactile media and make yourself some witness marks around the gage
face.
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-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rob Monitor
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:17 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


THANKS LARRY, I went out and looked at my air compressor gages and the top
of them came right off. Now sense I never could read the gages before what
are the two gages reading and which one is what??? Hope this question is
coming out right.
THANKS ROB FROM MINNESOTA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Kennedy 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


  Is your leak down tester fixed for you to read? I used to have one from
Sunn Electric and it had been converted so to speak...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:42 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  Basically the only times I turn mine down is when charging up my brake
  bleeding tank or when I need exactly 100LBS pressure for my cylinder leek
  down tester.

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Michael Baldwin
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:59 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  I know some will comment about how unsafe it is, but i jus leave mine wide
  open. never had a tool blow apart, or any other strange thing that might
  happen. I would think a paint sprayer would be the one thing you would
want
  the exact pressure on. Michael

  _ 

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Agent86b
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:24 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  Hi all,
  has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct PSI for
  particular tools? For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my
  compressor tank is factory set to 115 PSI. I can get my sited wife to come
  and read the two gages to tell me what I have, but I would rather do it
  myself. Otherwise I must wait for her to come home before using a
different
  tool. Thanks for any advice. Max.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-21 Thread Rob Monitor
THANKS LARRY, I went out and looked at my air compressor gages and the top of 
them came right off. Now sense I never could read the gages before what are the 
two gages reading and which one is what??? Hope this question is coming out 
right.
THANKS ROB FROM MINNESOTA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Kennedy 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


  Is your leak down tester fixed for you to read? I used to have one from Sunn 
Electric and it had been converted so to speak...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:42 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  Basically the only times I turn mine down is when charging up my brake
  bleeding tank or when I need exactly 100LBS pressure for my cylinder leek
  down tester.

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Michael Baldwin
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:59 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  I know some will comment about how unsafe it is, but i jus leave mine wide
  open. never had a tool blow apart, or any other strange thing that might
  happen. I would think a paint sprayer would be the one thing you would want
  the exact pressure on. Michael

  _ 

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Agent86b
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:24 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  Hi all,
  has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct PSI for
  particular tools? For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my
  compressor tank is factory set to 115 PSI. I can get my sited wife to come
  and read the two gages to tell me what I have, but I would rather do it
  myself. Otherwise I must wait for her to come home before using a different
  tool. Thanks for any advice. Max.

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-21 Thread Larry Stansifer
I actually scratched built mine out of some old aircraft shit that I bought
surplus.

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:16 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


Is your leak down tester fixed for you to read?  I used to have one from
Sunn Electric and it had been converted so to speak...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:42 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


  Basically the only times I turn mine down is when charging up my brake
  bleeding tank or when I need exactly 100LBS pressure for my cylinder leek
  down tester.

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Michael Baldwin
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:59 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  I know some will comment about how unsafe it is, but i jus leave mine wide
  open. never had a tool blow apart, or any other strange thing that might
  happen. I would think a paint sprayer would be the one thing you would
want
  the exact pressure on. Michael


  _ 

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Agent86b
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:24 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  Hi all,
  has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct PSI for
  particular tools? For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my
  compressor tank is factory set to 115 PSI. I can get my sited wife to come
  and read the two gages to tell me what I have, but I would rather do it
  myself. Otherwise I must wait for her to come home before using a
different
  tool. Thanks for any advice. Max.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-21 Thread Bob Kennedy
Is your leak down tester fixed for you to read?  I used to have one from Sunn 
Electric and it had been converted so to speak...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:42 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


  Basically the only times I turn mine down is when charging up my brake
  bleeding tank or when I need exactly 100LBS pressure for my cylinder leek
  down tester.

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Michael Baldwin
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:59 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  I know some will comment about how unsafe it is, but i jus leave mine wide
  open. never had a tool blow apart, or any other strange thing that might
  happen. I would think a paint sprayer would be the one thing you would want
  the exact pressure on. Michael


  _ 

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Agent86b
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:24 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  Hi all,
  has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct PSI for
  particular tools? For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my
  compressor tank is factory set to 115 PSI. I can get my sited wife to come
  and read the two gages to tell me what I have, but I would rather do it
  myself. Otherwise I must wait for her to come home before using a different
  tool. Thanks for any advice. Max.

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-21 Thread Larry Stansifer
Robb,
Mine had a metal bezel around the outside of the gage face. It was a simple
matter to gently but firmly rotate it back-and-forth and pull away from the
gage housing and it popped off.

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rob Monitor
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:31 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


HI GUY, How would a guy tell if the face on a gage comes off?? Well I have
sears air compressor it's about 5 years old it's a big one can't remember
how big it really is but it's big... Also it's the diaphragm kind do you
think this kind the face would come off???
THANKS ROB FROM MINNESOTA Original Message - 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


  Max,

  If the faces come off of your gages, you can mark them tactually. If the
  faces don't come off of your existing gages, you can go to any good tool
  supply store and scrounge up a couple of replacements from which the faces
  can be removed.
  I have a number of pressure measuring devices that are done this way and
it
  works out well.

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Agent86b
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:24 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  Hi all,
  has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct PSI for
  particular tools? For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my
  compressor tank is factory set to 115 PSI. I can get my sited wife to come
  and read the two gages to tell me what I have, but I would rather do it
  myself. Otherwise I must wait for her to come home before using a
different
  tool. Thanks for any advice. Max.

  

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-21 Thread Rob Monitor
HI GUY, How would a guy tell if the face on a gage comes off?? Well I have 
sears air compressor it's about 5 years old it's a big one can't remember how 
big it really is but it's big... Also it's the diaphragm kind do you think this 
kind the face would come off???
THANKS ROB FROM MINNESOTA Original Message - 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


  Max,

  If the faces come off of your gages, you can mark them tactually. If the
  faces don't come off of your existing gages, you can go to any good tool
  supply store and scrounge up a couple of replacements from which the faces
  can be removed.
  I have a number of pressure measuring devices that are done this way and it
  works out well.

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Agent86b
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:24 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

  Hi all,
  has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct PSI for
  particular tools? For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my
  compressor tank is factory set to 115 PSI. I can get my sited wife to come
  and read the two gages to tell me what I have, but I would rather do it
  myself. Otherwise I must wait for her to come home before using a different
  tool. Thanks for any advice. Max.

  

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-21 Thread Larry Stansifer
Basically the only times I turn mine down is when charging up my brake
bleeding tank or when I need exactly 100LBS pressure for my cylinder leek
down tester.

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Michael Baldwin
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:59 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


I know some will comment about how unsafe it is, but i jus leave mine wide
open.  never had a tool blow apart, or any other strange thing that might
happen. I would think a paint sprayer would be the one thing you would want
the exact pressure on. Michael
 

  _  

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Agent86b
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:24 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage



Hi all,
has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct PSI for
particular tools? For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my
compressor tank is factory set to 115 PSI. I can get my sited wife to come
and read the two gages to tell me what I have, but I would rather do it
myself. Otherwise I must wait for her to come home before using a different
tool. Thanks for any advice. Max.



 


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-21 Thread Larry Stansifer
Max,

If the faces come off of your gages, you can mark them tactually. If the
faces don't come off of  your existing gages, you can go to any good tool
supply store and scrounge up a couple of replacements  from which the faces
can be removed.
I have a number of pressure measuring devices that are done this way and it
works out well.

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Hi all,
has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct PSI for
particular tools? For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my
compressor tank is factory set to 115 PSI. I can get my sited wife to come
and read the two gages to tell me what I have, but I would rather do it
myself. Otherwise I must wait for her to come home before using a different
tool. Thanks for any advice. Max.




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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-20 Thread Michael Baldwin
I know some will comment about how unsafe it is, but i jus leave mine wide
open.  never had a tool blow apart, or any other strange thing that might
happen.
I would think a paint sprayer would be the one thing you would want the
exact pressure on.
Michael
 

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Hi all,
has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct
PSI for particular tools?
For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my compressor tank
is factory set to 115 PSI.
I can get my sited wife to come and read the two gages to tell me
what I have, but I would rather do it myself. Otherwise I must wait
for her to come home before using a different tool.
Thanks for any advice.
Max.



 


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage

2008-05-20 Thread RJ
Max,

I use the same method as you. My wife or any other sighted person I can tackle.
smile,
RJ
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  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 20:23
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Setting air compressor gage


  Hi all,
  has anybody found a way of setting the air pressure to the correct
  PSI for particular tools?
  For example my air drill must run at 90 PSI, but my compressor tank
  is factory set to 115 PSI.
  I can get my sited wife to come and read the two gages to tell me
  what I have, but I would rather do it myself. Otherwise I must wait
  for her to come home before using a different tool.
  Thanks for any advice.
  Max.



   

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