Re: How many of y'all use Emacspeak?
How do you get w3m to work? I've installed both w3m and emacs-w3m and restarted emacs, but M-x w3m fails. Which other email programs and browsers work with emacs? I've had no luck with eww. It gives the error that function requires libxml2. I have libxml2. On 06/15/2017 04:40 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I use speechd-el but I believe that's similar. I manage my e-mail with gnus, Web with w3m, the dired mode, code editing, shell. Raphaël On 06/14/2017 07:13 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: It appears powerful and customizable and I'm interested in learning it despite the steep curve. The manual is also easy to read. For those of you who use it regularly, what are your favorite features? ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: What is the debian version of this command.
On a vinux system that repository that got added was added to /etc/apt/sources.list. You would need to copy what was added in that file exactly into the /etc/apt/sources.list file on your debian system then update your system to bring the new repository's files into your local files cache database and make them available for download. On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:26:37 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: What is the debian version of this command. Try writing ch...@hubert-humphrey.com you can find that yourself when a message is open by hitting h and searching the message headers in alpine. It was pretty far down on the second screen or 3rd screen of headers. There is a FROM:' in front of it. On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:50:37 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: What is the debian version of this command. I don't have your address, and because of the way this list sends messages i can't grab it. Here's mine. southernprinc...@gmail.com Write with any questions, and i'll do my best to either answer quickly, or find the answers. I'm glad the command worked well for you in vinux, but unfortunately it's not working for me in debian. in2014 Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Thanks Mark for that repo command, which certainly works well here in Vinux 5.1. At your convenience, can you please write off list, would like to discuss Voxin, but your address bounced. Thanks in advance Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: What is the debian version of this command.
I was able to answer my question at the beginning of this thread. the answer is to install a package called software-properties-common, and the command'll work. in2014 Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Try writing ch...@hubert-humphrey.com you can find that yourself when a > message is open by hitting h and searching the message headers in alpine. It > was pretty far down on the second screen or 3rd screen of headers. There is a > FROM:' in front of it. > On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:50:37 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: Linux for blind general discussion > > Subject: Re: What is the debian version of this command. > > > > I don't have your address, and because of the way this list sends messages i > > can't grab it. Here's mine. > > southernprinc...@gmail.com > > Write with any questions, and i'll do my best to either answer quickly, or > > find the answers. > > I'm glad the command worked well for you in vinux, but unfortunately it's > > not working for me in debian. > > > > > > in2014 > > Mark Peveto > > Registered Linux user number 600552 > > Everything happens after coffee! > > > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > Thanks Mark for that repo command, which certainly works well here in > > > Vinux > > > 5.1. At your convenience, can you please write off list, would like to > > > discuss > > > Voxin, but your address bounced. Thanks in advance > > > Chime > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: What is the debian version of this command.
Try writing ch...@hubert-humphrey.com you can find that yourself when a message is open by hitting h and searching the message headers in alpine. It was pretty far down on the second screen or 3rd screen of headers. There is a FROM:' in front of it. On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:50:37 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: What is the debian version of this command. I don't have your address, and because of the way this list sends messages i can't grab it. Here's mine. southernprinc...@gmail.com Write with any questions, and i'll do my best to either answer quickly, or find the answers. I'm glad the command worked well for you in vinux, but unfortunately it's not working for me in debian. in2014 Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Thanks Mark for that repo command, which certainly works well here in Vinux 5.1. At your convenience, can you please write off list, would like to discuss Voxin, but your address bounced. Thanks in advance Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: What is the debian version of this command.
I don't have your address, and because of the way this list sends messages i can't grab it. Here's mine. southernprinc...@gmail.com Write with any questions, and i'll do my best to either answer quickly, or find the answers. I'm glad the command worked well for you in vinux, but unfortunately it's not working for me in debian. in2014 Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Thanks Mark for that repo command, which certainly works well here in Vinux > 5.1. At your convenience, can you please write off list, would like to discuss > Voxin, but your address bounced. Thanks in advance > Chime > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: What is the debian version of this command.
Thanks Mark for that repo command, which certainly works well here in Vinux 5.1. At your convenience, can you please write off list, would like to discuss Voxin, but your address bounced. Thanks in advance Chime ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
What is the debian version of this command.
I can't get this to work as is, so I'm assuming there's a debian way. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: working with nano
Tim here. Hey, Martin, I love the tales of yore. I too cut my Unix teeth on DEC Ultrix machines, have used elvis/stevie as VI clones on DOS (as well as "ed" on Unixlikes and "edlin" on DOS), played with a Votrax Apple II hardware speech synthesizer, and also walked to school up-hill both ways in the snow. (grins) The round hockey-puck mice on those DEC Ultrix machines had cutting-edge laser-tracking but were marred by the horrible user interface where you couldn't tell the mouse orientation by feel alone. Guess it's time for this old geezer to go shake my cane at the kids and tell them to get offa my lawn. -tim On June 16, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using > unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix > and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since > since it is so common. > > Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working > group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and > finally Linux and I kept using vi. > > To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating > application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time > to fix it. > > I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do > something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too > complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing > the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number > on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. > > As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to > fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and > breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear > > "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim > fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on > the task at hand. > > Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if > I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix > machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and > realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and > didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use > nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. > It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather > than hassling somebody over basically nothing. > > When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP > hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the > terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These > are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly > better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 > on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. > > By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a > lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up > hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. > > Martin McCormick > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: working with nano
I know there's a way to have nano perpetually display current line, column, and character counts, though I have no idea what you'd add to nanorc to make it the default behavior or what keyboard shortcut toggles it(ctrl+c makes nano display this information until you type or delete another character, which I've always found sufficient). speakup reading the perpetual position display, if active, instead of echoing keystrokes sounds consistent with my attempts at using that screen reader, which coupled with it's tendency to read the line nano just scrolled onto the screen instead of the line the cursor was just moved to is among the reasons I don't care for speakup. On 6/16/17, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Actually, all showcursor does is the same thing showcursor does in lynx, > it shows the cursor on the screen. It does not display coordinates on > any part of the screen while typing, I know I tested it. > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:24:35 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >> Subject: Re: working with nano >> >> This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using >> unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix >> and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since >> since it is so common. >> >> Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working >> group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and >> finally Linux and I kept using vi. >> >> To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating >> application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time >> to fix it. >> >> I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do >> something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too >> complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing >> the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number >> on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. >> >> As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to >> fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and >> breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear >> >> "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim >> fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on >> the task at hand. >> >> Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if >> I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix >> machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and >> realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and >> didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use >> nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. >> It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather >> than hassling somebody over basically nothing. >> >> When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP >> hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the >> terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These >> are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly >> better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 >> on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. >> >> By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a >> lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up >> hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. >> >> Martin McCormick >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: working with nano
I learned to touch type on something that never had electricity running through it, a Royal 440 typewriter. I had a little computer exposure before 1986 but got my first computer in that year and that was a CP/M machine too. In 1987 due to college study requirements I went over to the dark side with an IBM XT with a 32mb hard drive. Formal unix classes started in 1989 when I started working for the Navy and started using the learn utility on bsd systems. Then in 2001 Windows '98 had to be reinstalled by me without any sight using a sheet of brailled instructions every two weeks since a kernel file kept getting corrupted and that started me on a 1 year long journey with the penguin club of Southern Maryland to get linux installed and accessible. First time that happened it was with a copy of redhat 5.0 I bought at Staples. Unfortunately Staples doesn't sell Linux any more so I minimize my purchases in those stores. For those that tried vim and ran into trouble with it, you might try ex and ex is a line-oriented part of vim with all the power vi part of vim is a subset of ex. If you knew how to use edlin on dos and liked it you'll like ex. Another part of vim and this is really good if less isn't available is view that does much of what less does. On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:51:45 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: working with nano You guys make me feel like a wet behind the ears baby(which feels kind of weird since people on the Internet usually make me feel like a fossil). Anyways, in 1990, all I knew about computers was how to suck at Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3 on my older sister's NES, it was 1996 before I learned how to touch type on old Win 3.1 and DOS machines at school, and my family's first proper PC was a Win98 Machine. I made the switch from WinXP to Ubuntu around Ubuntu 5.10 or 6.06 and then to Debian somewhere around 2010, but prior to my vision failing in mid-to-late 2012, I did most of my document editing in graphical editors only occasionally using nano to edit my sources.list or another config file that requires root privileges. As vision loss forced me to make heavier use of my terminal knowledge, nano became my primary editor out of familiarity, though I'll admit it took me a while to get use to it having different cut, copy, paste behavior from pretty much every graphical application with a text box I've ever used. I don't think I've ever tried emacs, but what I've tried of vi has brought me to the conclusion that, even if it's ultimately a superior editor, I don't have the time to learn vi well enough to use it on par with how I already use nano. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: working with nano
Actually, all showcursor does is the same thing showcursor does in lynx, it shows the cursor on the screen. It does not display coordinates on any part of the screen while typing, I know I tested it. On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:24:35 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: working with nano This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since since it is so common. Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and finally Linux and I kept using vi. To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time to fix it. I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on the task at hand. Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather than hassling somebody over basically nothing. When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. Martin McCormick ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: working with nano
I bet you still remember how to write kermit scripts too. That kermit sure ate xtalk's lunch for accessibility in dos. On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:24:35 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: working with nano This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since since it is so common. Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and finally Linux and I kept using vi. To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time to fix it. I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on the task at hand. Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather than hassling somebody over basically nothing. When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. Martin McCormick ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: working with nano
You guys make me feel like a wet behind the ears baby(which feels kind of weird since people on the Internet usually make me feel like a fossil). Anyways, in 1990, all I knew about computers was how to suck at Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3 on my older sister's NES, it was 1996 before I learned how to touch type on old Win 3.1 and DOS machines at school, and my family's first proper PC was a Win98 Machine. I made the switch from WinXP to Ubuntu around Ubuntu 5.10 or 6.06 and then to Debian somewhere around 2010, but prior to my vision failing in mid-to-late 2012, I did most of my document editing in graphical editors only occasionally using nano to edit my sources.list or another config file that requires root privileges. As vision loss forced me to make heavier use of my terminal knowledge, nano became my primary editor out of familiarity, though I'll admit it took me a while to get use to it having different cut, copy, paste behavior from pretty much every graphical application with a text box I've ever used. I don't think I've ever tried emacs, but what I've tried of vi has brought me to the conclusion that, even if it's ultimately a superior editor, I don't have the time to learn vi well enough to use it on par with how I already use nano. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: working with nano
Yes, this thread is interesting. I think I'll try some of what people have suggested. I've tried nano a few times, but I clearly didn't find all the places where I could learn to make it do more of what I wanted. In 1979, the only thing I knew about computers was that I didn't have one. I was in school for another line of work. My serious time on computers began in the spring of 1989, and I got at least half-seriously into Linux in around 2005. At that time, such editing as I did was using emacs, but mostly I've used vim. Anyway, I appreciate the info on this thread. Al On 06/16/2017 11:24 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since since it is so common. Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and finally Linux and I kept using vi. To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time to fix it. I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on the task at hand. Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather than hassling somebody over basically nothing. When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. Martin McCormick ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: working with nano
This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since since it is so common. Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and finally Linux and I kept using vi. To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time to fix it. I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on the task at hand. Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather than hassling somebody over basically nothing. When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. Martin McCormick ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
