Re: spammers on this list
But this particular spammer isn't harvesting email addresses from the archive. On 04/14/2017 10:31 PM, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: Considering that the list archives can be viewed by anyone at https://www.redhat.com/archives/blinux-list/ and be downloaded as gzipped plain text files that include the e-mail address from which each message was sent, I think it's fair to say there's next to nothing any list moderators could do to address spam, and unless an alternative list either lacks public archives or has archives that strip e-mail addresses from the from fields, it will be just as vulnerable to spambots. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
spammers on this list
I sent the command to the listserve to get a list of the subscribers. As you can see from the response below, it said you have to be an administrator to get that. That is not unusual. Some lists allow the subscribers to get a list of the other subscribers but this one does not. Forwarded Message Subject:The results of your email commands Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 22:15:24 -0400 From: blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com To: jh...@math.wisc.edu The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Usage: who password See everyone who is on this mailing list. The roster is limited to list administrators and moderators only; you must supply the list admin or moderator password to retrieve the roster. - Unprocessed: who - Done. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: spammers on this list
But, Henry, of course the spammer is replying directly back to the person who posted the message rather than back to the list. Spammers always work that way. I also don't see what difference it makes whether the bot (it clearly is a bot) was set up deliberately or if it is the result of someone being hacked. A bot is a bot. My problem is that there doesn't appear to be anyone at Red Hat monitoring this list. Hello, Red Hat. Are you there? It might be difficult to match the email address on the list to the spammer. The spam messages don't have to come from the same address as the one subscribe to this list. But I'm not sure what you hope to do if you get a look at the message headers. You can't unsubscribe anyone, can you? I would think if there was a moderator on this list, he or she would have have said something by now. On 04/14/2017 08:06 PM, Henry Yen wrote: I guess what I'm driving at is the question of whether this/these spammer(s) are spamming you (evidently, there's more than one of "you") directly, or via the list. Only in the latter case could something reasonably be done about it (by attempting to unsubscribe them). If the former, then the spamming could simply follow you to the new list. A more miserable possibility is that one of the legitimate users on the list has his/her computer compromised, and it's from there that the (presumably unwitting) spam originates. In any case, if we look at the SMTP email headers, especially from two or more different spam recipients, we might see something obvious. On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 04:22:25AM -0700, Chime Hart wrote: Well Henry, for at least 1 or 2 months, each time I write or reply, I receive at least 1 spam item. I would say if there are no moderators of the list, then announcing a replacement, well, you would think those same anoying folks would just harvest the new address. And Henry, since it probably won't take long for this woman to reply, I can send with headers. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Setting up a headless Debian box
Henry is right. It's been so many years since I've come across a BIOS configured that way that I forgot it could be a problem. So it's possible that your machine might not boot without a keyboard but it's pretty unlikely. On 04/14/2017 01:11 PM, Henry Yen wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:15:38PM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote: What I'm concerned about is whether the box will boot without a keyboard. If I shut it down and later press the power button will it boot? Whether or not a box will boot without a keyboard is a function of the firmware/bios of the box. Typically there's a bios/setup selection option called "Halt On Error?", with choices of "All" or "All except keyboard". The former will prevent the box from booting if no keyboard is detected while the latter will not. Linux does not care. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Setting up a headless Debian box
Are you asking if you can disconnect the keyboard and monitor after you've finished the install? If so, absolutely. This is a fairly common thing in the server world. Just yesterday I did a debian install with just a keyboard and braille display attached. Worked great. There are several ways to do an install without ever attaching a keyboard. They are non-trivial though. I'll explain how I do it if that's what you want to know. On 04/14/2017 08:31 AM, John J. Boyer wrote: I have an oldder machine that I want to use mainly for backup. It will be accessed by ssh, rsync, etc. So it doesn't need a monitor or keyboard. How do i set this up? Thanks, John ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Off Topic: list for blind people doing devops/sys admin including windows
I'd like to promote the list at t...@iavit.org. That is the International Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists. I'll dmit the traffic is really light. To subscribe, send a message to talk-subscr...@iavit.org. There is a more active list at blind-sysadm...@lists.hodgsonfamily.org. I believe the Hodgson family is that of someone on the list. Beyond that, I don't know who sponsors that list. And finally, there is the CS list of the NFB, nf...@nfbnet.org. That list is much as it sounds, more of a CS list than an IT professionals list. But there are a lot of sys admin and programming questions as well. On 03/29/2017 11:55 AM, Tom Masterson wrote: > I would like to talk to some folks about devops type work involving both > linux and windows and cloud type stuff. I have some training but > haven't ever touched windows in that respect and would like to know how > accessible it is etc. > > thanks > Tom > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux
It's funny you should say it's long overdue for there to be a blindness related non-profit. I was part of a group who created exactly that several years ago. After much discussion, we called ourselves The International Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists or IAVIT. See www.iavit.org. After creating the non-profit, the real problem has been lack of interest in using it's resources. We are incorporated as a 501c3 in the USA so we can legally accept donations. We have a lawyer, a bank account, a paypal account at the non-profit rates, donated server space, etc. The entire infrastructure is there. We're just waiting for people to say, "Hey, I could use this or that." On 03/16/2017 07:53 AM, Tony Baechler wrote: Be warned that my comments are most likely unpopular and controversial. See below. I'm not really interested in discussing this further, so don't expect a response. On 3/15/2017 3:30 AM, Kyle wrote: Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. Well, this is indeed unfortunate. First, it was never said what "common goals" were discussed. Granted I don't closely follow either project, but I'm disappointed and surprised to see Vinux heading towards a Fedora base. Red Hat has stated many, even numerous times, both in their inaction and in published docs on their sites, that they have no or very little interest in core accessibility. Yes, I realize this list is hosted by Red Hat, but honestly, anyone can host a mailing list nowadays, so to me, that doesn't count. Look at groups.io, Yahoo Groups, etc. Unlike Debian, Ubuntu and Slackware, to the best of my knowledge, Fedora has never made their installer accessible out of the box. I understand that now their installer talks with Orca, but I think that's more by accident than anything. Fedora does claim to have accessibility with the Gnome desktop though, but I don't think one can easily use Speakup and a text console to do the install. I could very well be wrong on this as I quit following Fedora years ago for the above reasons. There were projects like Speakup Modified (now dead I think), but they were community projects with no support from Fedora developers. Presumably, since Sonar is being folded in, they will use a distro other than Fedora. In the long term, I think Fedora would be a very bad idea for many reasons which I won't go into here. I think it's a great idea for there to be an a11y, or even blindness-specific nonprofit to be formed. I would even say it's very long overdue. If Apache, Mozilla, the Linux kernel and many others can do it, there is no reason why the blind community can't. I would even suggest moving this and other Linux lists to that organization. Yes, I realize that nonprofit and not-for-profit are different. I would push to make it a U.S based nonprofit. Start a Kickstarter or other fundraising compaign. I would donate to it. As much as Facebook doesn't support accessibility and generally is against the open source spirit, a page on there, Twitter, Tumblr, etc would be a very good idea. There needs to be a strong publicity team to write articles for both the blindness magazines (ACB Braille Forum, etc) and the mainstream Linux magazines like LWN. Amazingly, there has been almost no mention of Speakup in the mainstream Linux community at all. I think a fair number of companies and developers don't take us seriously because they don't know we exist and that blind people not only can and do use computers but in fact can and do use Linux on a regular basis. I just got an email from someone asking if I'm blind, how do I read and write? There is still a huge amount of ignorance out there. I realize this isn't strictly a Linux accessibility issue, but what leads to the next great breakthrough might be started by a developer seeing that blind people want an accessible desktop like everyone else. With an actual organization, KDE could be pushed for accessibility and developers from the organization could help. In other words, not only does it need to be a nonprofit a11y organization who works with other developers and develops software, but it also needs to be an advocacy and lobbyist group to demand big and small companies make their software accessible. However, I see a huge flaw in the merger. I think we're going down the same path as Windows screen readers. I'm not saying that Vinux would go commercial. What I'm saying is I fear they would end up like a big company who shall remain nameless. There are other screen readers out there such as NVDA, but very few people take them seriously because this big company has almost a monopoly. Granted, Linux is still far from having a huge share of the market, but if it should reach the 90% or even 50% point some day, it would be very unfortunate for rehab agencies and employers to force people to use Vinux because that's the only specialized distro for the blind. What would be much better is to work with the mainstream distros like Debian and Ubuntu to fix accessibility
Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux
I would like to offer the services of the International Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists for this project. IAVIT already is a 501C3 non-profit in the United States. I am sure the Board Of Directors of IAVIT would be thrilled to make whatever resources we have available to the sonar/vinux project. If you guys have infrastructure needs, see us. On 03/15/2017 06:30 AM, Kyle wrote: Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. http://www.sonargnulinux.com and http://www.vinuxproject.org team up. Exciting news for the Sonar and Vinux communities. A special meeting was held early 2017 between core Sonar and Vinux team members. It was agreed that the two projects will be working together toward common goals. Whilst Vinux has recently indicated to move the distro base from Ubuntu to Fedora, several meetings have been held between Vinux and Sonar core members with an agreement taking place toward common goals that will freshen up both projects. Some teams have been expanded, and new teams have been created within Vinux, with the influx of Sonar developers and users. Project leader Rob Whyte said that the merge will minimize fragmentation and combine resources. Most importantly, having a larger active community will allow us to develop some visions we have had for some time. Going forward in 2017, Vinux hopes to become a not for profit organization and to step up what we can deliver to our loyal user base. Under the new arrangements, Vinux has agreed to stem into the ARM architecture, offering exciting new possibilities, and has also committed to again provide Vinux hardware, focusing primarily on ARM devices. Though mainstream distro accessibility is paramount, we believe after much consultation that a specialised distro is still required. Together with Linux-a11y, most commonly known for the active development of the Fenrir screen reader and the OCRPDF and OCRDesktop text recognition tools, Vinux has agreed to continuously push for and contribute to accessibility inclusion within main line distributions. Vinux plans to produce images based mainly upon the Mate desktop environment, but also Gnome; and builds for Arm devices, including the Raspberry Pi, Odroid XU3, XU4 and C2 and hopefully others, depending on the availability of hardware. We at Vinux are excited for this new chapter we are embracing. ~Kyle Vinux PR/Social Media Team Lead ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Can I add speakup to An Existing Wheezy Installation?
Yeah, I don't know about that error message. I would try rebooting. You probably want to make the speakup_soft module load automatically each time you reboot. To do that, type: echo speakup_soft >> /etc/modules You need to do that as root. If you don't get speech when you reboot, try running espeakup by hand. On 12/05/2016 11:32 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: Thank you. I am glad I asked because there is much less to the procedure than I was expecting. The modprobe command worked fine as far as that there were no errors reported. The apt-get install worked until the script tried to start speakup and then the following happened: Output follows. 86audio3 martin ~ $sudo apt-get install espeakup Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: espeakup 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. Need to get 24.9 kB of archives. After this operation, 90.1 kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main espeakup i386 1:0.71-13 [24.9 kB] Fetched 24.9 kB in 0s (71.7 kB/s) Selecting previously unselected package espeakup. (Reading database ... 124379 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking espeakup (from .../espeakup_1%3a0.71-13_i386.deb) ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Setting up espeakup (1:0.71-13) ... [FAIL] Starting Speakup/espeak connector : espeakup failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript espeakup, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing espeakup (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: espeakup E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) What I do know is that this system is a Dell Optiplex from probably around 2000 or so and the on-board sound card is a built-in cs4236 which works well with aplay, amixer and alsa in general but has never been too eager to work with let's say, ubuntu live CD's and other bootable CD's that talk on most systems. This device shows up as card 0 and aplay -l and arecord -l both produce good results so I may need to do some more experimentation to see what else is wrong. Again, thanks. Martin McCormick John G Heim <jh...@math.wisc.edu> writes: If you are using a stock debian kernel, you don't have to add speakup. You just have to load it. I am guessing though that you are asking how to load speakup, right? Well, that depends on which speech synth you are using. I am going to guess you want to use software speech, right? In that case, you will have to add the espeak package. Here are the steps: 1. Type "modprobe speakup_soft" 2. Type "apt-get install espeakup" Your machine should start talking. technically not speakup. On 12/04/2016 01:16 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: The subject is really the whole message. The wheezy installation is on a system with 384 MB of ram so there is no orca but I have seen speakup run on less although this is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Any good ideas are welcome. Thank you. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: iPhone Debate.
I think you should give touch screens another try. If it was me, I'd be afraid of ending up like some old grandad who doesn't know how to use a keyboard. You can't stop the relentless march of technology. Smart phones themselves have been a huge boon for blind people but I am not so sure about touch screens. Just having a GPS in your pocket is enough of a benefit to make the smart phone a huge boon. There are pluses and minuses to touch screens though. voices it's directions. Even the most inaccessible app at least does that. On 11/13/2016 06:44 PM, Hart Larry wrote: Well, some years ago I tried an Iphone, but could never become comfortable with a touch screen. At least an Iphone had a button for SIRI which an Android did not. Well, I ran a search in quotes "smart phone with buttons" Actually an item came up, but so-far you must buy from out of the US. Its a Kapsys, which they said was going to be available in October. Anyway Kapsys has a touch screen on the left, buttons on the right, however, some of the layout is weird. The Kapsys site is a challenge to find English. I already spoke with the future US distributer, but they like myself are still waiting Hart -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: iPhone Debate.
A few years ago on the web site of the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists, www.iavit.org, I set up a page to compare screen readers. I thought I'd collect data and put up a fair, head-to-head comparison. My collaborators at iavit had an intervention with me and got me to take the page down. They're like, "You don't want to open that can of worms." I swear I am the only person on this planet able to discuss this stuff rationally. I have an ancient ipod touch and an iphone. The reason I got the itouch was that back then, all my research indicated that the screen reader for android was no where near as good as voiceover for IOS. As President of IAVIT and an employee at the University of Wisconsin, I have considerable expertise at hand. I also read reviews on-line and asked around on the internet. Voiceover was the clear winner at that time. I did the same research the last time I bought a phone about a year and a half ago. all my research indicated that things had tightened up considerably but that voiceover for IOS was still ahead. Almost everybody I talked to said one thing that bothered me. They said you could get a lot out of an android phone but you'd have to work at it. An iphone just works. I am happy with both my ipod touch and my iphone. I certainly don't think you're making a mistake to buy an iphone. It sounds to me that if you are willing to work at it, you might be able to get more bang for your buck from android. I don't know though, I don't have an android phone. PS: Since when do worms come in a can? On 11/13/2016 05:58 PM, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: Back when I used an Android device, I don't remember much pressure to use Google services, but that was back in the Android 2.3 days, so it's entirely possible Google has gotten pushier since then. Closest things to a Smartphone I have these days are a Raspberry Pi(running Rasbian, giving me the freedom of Linux) and a Blaze ET, which I think might be running a custom Android and doesn't really have much beyond Text-to-speech of eBooks and media playback going for it, but does those really well(Plays most audio and video formats(MKV being the most notable exclusion) and reads most text formats(Kindle being the most notable exclusion) all in a smartphone-like form factor, a fully voiced interface with physical buttons and a full-sized SD slot. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: iPhone Debate.
No, there are apps for everything in the Apple store. Oh, I have little doubt that you can find stuff it doesn't do. But it would have to be something pretty specialized.Apple does keep a pretty tight grip on what is in the store but, that does have it's benefits. It's not that different than debian keeping a tight grip on what's in the debian repository. The main difference is that you don't have to do anything to go outside the repository. But then debian doesn't offer any warranty and Apple does. On 11/13/2016 05:33 PM, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: Forked from the Spammer thread. I've never owned an Apple product, and unless their business model changes significantly, I never will, but pretty much every review of any iPod, iPhone, or Ipad I've ever read paints a picture of needing a hacked device if you want to do anything outside the rather narrow band of what Apple is okay with you doing on the hardware you bought from them, and in general, Apple gives off an even stronger control freak vibe than Microsoft. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Orca & tbird issues
There is a reason why apps like Thunderbird and Microsoft Office are so popular. They are easy and efficient. Thunderbird worked pretty well with orca for many years. I'm not going to change email clients every time some bug develops. I'd go crazy. These bugs are enough to make me change eventually. But I have hopes they'll be fixed. On 11/10/2016 08:36 AM, Janina Sajka wrote: I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over the gui terminal. It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25 pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen" command fixes that. Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed. As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied. Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals." I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important factor for success with whatever one chooses to use. Janina Tim Chase writes: On November 9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have always used a web browser to check my e-mail. I think the big advantage is off-line usage. If you are connected all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much, then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems. But when internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full access to your email offline. Fortunately, there are lots of options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility (Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but "alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several available within emacs). -tim ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Orca & tbird issues (was: Update related to F123e)
The problem that keeps getting me in thunderbird is that if you tab into a mailbox, orca will read the subject & from headers for a message that may or may not be selected. If you wait until it's done speaking, orca will indeed say, "not selected". But who waits for orca to read that whole thing? A similar thing happens if you press the end or control+end keys to go to the end of the list of messages in a mailbox. Orca will read the subject & from headers for the last message in the mailbox but that is not the message that is currently selected. If you press control+r to reply, you will be replying to the wrong message. If you remember to move the focus around you can make sure you are on the message you actually want to respond to. But the problem is compounded by the fact that when you press reply, orca often has a problem reading the text in the message body. Mostly this can be fixed by shifting the focus away from thunderbird and back. I have little doubt this problem is basically with thunderbird because it is similar to a problem with gnome-terminal. When you opena tab in gnome-terminal, orca often cannot read the text in the tab. If you switch the focus to different tab and back, then orca can read the text. I asked about this on the orca list and Jeanmarie Diggs said it was due to gnome-terminal being ill-behaved. It wasn't setting the focus correctly or something. On 11/09/2016 11:44 AM, Kyle wrote: I personally have had no trouble at all responding to the right messages on both Thunderbird and Seamonkey. The only time I had any real trouble with that was back in the day when I ran Mutt lol. Man I almost got myself into some serious trouble with Mutt, because I tried to respond to a single person and ended up writing to a whole list instead. Those were the days ... Sent round and round ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Update related to F123e
Stupid orca & thunderbird!!! I keep responding to the wrong messages. On 11/07/2016 10:02 AM, John G Heim wrote: I thought it was a one-time thing. It wasn't clear in your original message that it happens every time. I'll fix it. On 11/07/2016 05:35 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: A file emacspeak-easy-howto has some useful information in it. I'll search my bookmarks and see if I can locate a link, but a google search with file:emacspeak-easy-howto ought to locate it if I don't have it in my bookmarks. On Mon, 7 Nov 2016, Fernando Botelho wrote: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 06:16:20 From: Fernando Botelho <fernando.bote...@f123.org> To: Peter V?gner <pvdee...@gmail.com>, blinux-list@redhat.com, spee...@lists.freebsoft.org, f1...@groups.io Subject: Re: Update related to F123e Peter, we have now linked to your first post on this topic. Do you have plans to research the possibility of importing Spacemacs keybindings to Emacs before you memorize too many of those Emacs keybindings? Fernando On 11/07/2016 07:53 AM, Peter V?gner wrote: Hello, It took me a long time to decide but I have attempted to start first blog post of what I hope will be a series on short tips on emacs accessibility. For example I am looking into it for about a year sporadically. I like F123E plan but instead of automation I would rather like to do something that would build on Arch linux philosophy. I am not going to rewrote the documentation but I would like to try showing some success stories while handling these things. Most of the articles end with a message saying something like it has a bit higher learning curve etc but unfortunatelly very little of them actually showcase how to go about changing that. Let's see how this attempt will turn out. So far I have got into basic buffer navigation and manipulation commands, navigating around emacs in general, emacs editing commands, understood so called easy customizations, got my-self to install and upgrade packages from elpa / melpa, briefly started playing with org mode, learned about basic dired file manipulation features, managed to connect to twitter with twittering-mode. And some invisible issues along my way such as debugging issues with request.el library and curl, getting epg working with gpg. These are things I hope I have learned enough so I can comfortably use them. Next on my todo list are knowing speechd-el better, emacs packages such as matrix-client for inovative instant messaging and more, jabber for classic messaging, gnus for email, sauron for integrated notifications. This is my initial plan and these are things I wish to eventually cover later. My first article just talks about installing and running emacs for the first time. https://pvagner.tk/2016/emacs-a11y-tip-1-introduction-and-how-to-install Of course if you have ideas, comments, anything feel free to post. Thanks and greetings Peter On 06.11.2016 at 18:17 Fernando Botelho wrote: Thanks to those who have sent feedback to my emails to various lists. So far this is what I have found out: A lot of people are in agreement regarding the need for: * An easier way to install and setup Emacspeak; * An easier way for Emacspeak to use eSpeak and/or other synthesizers; and * At least one expert also mentioned that Spacemacs does not solve all issues, as it has some inaccessible output. However, it has been said that: * SpeechD-el can make Emacs accessible; * SpeechD-el already works well with Speech-Dispatcher and eSpeak; * SpeechD-el is already easier to install and is multilingual by default; * SpeechD-el could even be used to bridge communication between Emacspeak and Speech-Dispatcher and eSpeak; and * it might be easier to just bring Spacemacs keybindings to classic Emacs rather than move all of the SpeechD-el or Emacspeak accessibility to Spacemacs. I have updated our project document accordingly: https://public.f123.org/experimental/About-F123e.html Best, Fernando ___ Speechd mailing list spee...@lists.freebsoft.org http://lists.freebsoft.org/mailman/listinfo/speechd ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: VirtualBox
The dialog boxes you interact with to do things like start/stop virtual machines in virtualbox are somewhat accessible with orca. I have never tried to create a virtual machine via the virtualbox gui though. I always use bash scripts. Here are links to 2 of my scripts. Keep in mind that they were both written for my own use so they are not the most user friendly scripts in the world. First, this script creates a virtual machine with a 32 Gb disk, 2Gb of ram, and one cpu. It then boots from a grml iso. http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/grml Second, this script creates a vm with a 96Gb disk, 2Gb ram, and 1 cpu. It then bootsfrom a Win7 installation iso and installs Win7 via an answer file on a virtual floppy. wget http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/win7-64 I'm not sure how helpful that second script will be without the answer file. There are plenty of instructions out there for creating an answer file for Win7 but it's a lot of work. I'd share my answer file but it has passwords in it. They're encrypted but I don't think I can put them out there anyway. 6 10:24 AM, Janina Sajka wrote: Hi, Fernando: I actually know this one! If you rely on screen readers you need to rely on VirtualBox from the command line, or from a scripted environment. The graphical interface isn't accessible to Orca. I believe it's kde, and we still haven't really broken through to accessibility on kde. Janina Fernando Botelho writes: Thanks anyway Janina, Back in the day, I liked the fact that VirtualBox allowed one to do a lot of things via the command line. I imagine all of that remains available. But I will let more experienced current users comment. Best, Fernando -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: redhat itself
Well, this goes back to the reason I helped create the International Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists. There doesn't seem to be anybody taking systems admin accessibility seriously. I talked to Curtis Chong of the NFB about this. The NFB spends a lot of it's resources talking to Microsoft about fairly minor accessibility flaws in Excel, Word, etc or to Amazon and Netfliks about the accessibility of their web sites. I argued that something like the Red Hat kernel not having console speech was more important because that could cost a sys admin his job. In fact, I know that things like that cost sys admins their jobs because I've seen it. You may not be fired for not being able to access the console on your servers. But what happens is that someone else is given all the duties involved with console access. It's one thing after another like that and pretty soon, your entire job consists of nothing more than helping people change their passwords. And when layoffs come around, you're the one to go. And that's only fair -- after all, you are the least valuable person in the department. I've seen this happen often enough that I even coined a term for it. I call it "getting backwatered". I doubt that not having console speech is a huge problem for more than a handful of blind systems admins. But it is just one more brick in the wall. On 08/11/2016 08:49 AM, Janina Sajka wrote: Hi, John: It's certainly possible to build rpms with the staging modules for Fedora. I used to do that years ago. Bill Acker kept up with doing that in recent years. While he wasn't the maintainer at rpmfusion for that particular package, builds did seem to cease about the time of his demise. I'm also surprised that others weren't clamoring for these drivers for their own, non Speakup related reasons, but I never did find any discussion like that. I filed bugs with each new Fedora release, but nothing happened. In fact the very last release at rpmfusion never worked because of broken dependencies. I've been sitting on a 4.0.3 kernel until I finally switched to Arch. Key functionality on my systems had begun to break, for example linphone. Yes, there was the option for me to take over building these rpms. However, it's not were I want to focus my efforts these days. I certainly thought about it. After all, there's a good deal of dislocation involved in switching distributions. Not everything works the same way, and I've already bumped into a need for workarounds. Fedora is certainly a major Linux distribution with much to recommend it, but easy use of Speakup is no longer one of its attributes. On the other hand I'm not aware of anyone using RHEL with Speakup. Certainly, there maybe someone who's figured that out. I can categorically report that Bill Acker failed in his attempts to build RHEL kernels with Speakup support, though these efforts took place some years ago. I'm not aware that he tried post 3.x, for instance. Lastly, I should add that the very argument you're making is one I tried making with the U.S. Access Board when the first Sec. 508 regulations were being written. Doug Wakefield didn't agree, and my argument was not accepted, and Redhat, among others, was able to slither off the hook around low-level systems accessibility. Janina John G Heim writes: Surely there must be somebody building kernels with those modules so that you can install by adding their yum repository to your system. If not, it would mean that a blind RH systems admin couldn't do his work at the console. If remote access is broken he'd be in serious trouble. Most systems admins don't have a choice as to what flavor of linux they use in their job. Here at the University of Wisconsin, the IT department used to run Red Hat. The campus had a site license. The Math Department, where I work, uses debian and ubuntu. But if I worked in another department, I'd probably be stuck with RH. I have been building kernels for debian and ubuntu that have a hack do serial synths work. I set up a apt repository at www.iavit.org so other people can use them too. I don't know anything about Red Hat but surely there must be the equivalent of a ppa. On 08/10/2016 09:10 AM, Janina Sajka wrote: Hi, Well, I've moved from Fedora to Arch on any machine where I need Speakup. The reason is that rpmfusion has not provided kernel staging modules since kernel 4.0.4. So, I had the choice of constantly building my own, or switching distros. I chose the latter. I am still running Fedora on my data center server, but I don't use Speakup on that machine, of course. Janina Willem van der Walt writes: Redhat these days is mostly used on servers as one buys support for that, but it is accessible. I ran Redhat years ago, but these days, I think, Janina is still running it or Fedora without problems. HTH, Willem On Sat, 6 Aug 2016, Mark Peveto wrote: Hmm, I noticed this is hosted on redhat.com. Does redhat have an accessib
Re: redhat itself
Surely there must be somebody building kernels with those modules so that you can install by adding their yum repository to your system. If not, it would mean that a blind RH systems admin couldn't do his work at the console. If remote access is broken he'd be in serious trouble. Most systems admins don't have a choice as to what flavor of linux they use in their job. Here at the University of Wisconsin, the IT department used to run Red Hat. The campus had a site license. The Math Department, where I work, uses debian and ubuntu. But if I worked in another department, I'd probably be stuck with RH. I have been building kernels for debian and ubuntu that have a hack do serial synths work. I set up a apt repository at www.iavit.org so other people can use them too. I don't know anything about Red Hat but surely there must be the equivalent of a ppa. On 08/10/2016 09:10 AM, Janina Sajka wrote: Hi, Well, I've moved from Fedora to Arch on any machine where I need Speakup. The reason is that rpmfusion has not provided kernel staging modules since kernel 4.0.4. So, I had the choice of constantly building my own, or switching distros. I chose the latter. I am still running Fedora on my data center server, but I don't use Speakup on that machine, of course. Janina Willem van der Walt writes: Redhat these days is mostly used on servers as one buys support for that, but it is accessible. I ran Redhat years ago, but these days, I think, Janina is still running it or Fedora without problems. HTH, Willem On Sat, 6 Aug 2016, Mark Peveto wrote: Hmm, I noticed this is hosted on redhat.com. Does redhat have an accessible distro? Everything happens after coffee! Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from sonar using alpine 2.20.14 ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Sharing files between Linux and Windows
It looks right to me assuming your user name is lshare. Surely, you don't usually log in as lshare, do you? You can create a user just for sharing files but you are going to run into a lot of permissions problems. It would be better just to use the user name you usually log in as. In fact, I always use the same user name and password in both linux and Windows to make it easier to map a share in Windows. On 07/07/2016 11:05 AM, John J. Boyer wrote: Hi John, When I enter as root smbpasswd -a lshare it asks for a password, but then it gives the message "Failed to add entry for user lshare". John On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 07:11:54PM -0500, John G. Heim wrote: I am pretty sure that on your linux machine, all you have to do is this: sudo apt-get install samba *sudo smbpasswd -a * That's all I did on a fresh debian jessie machine and I was able to access my files in Win7. In Win7, press control+r to open a run dialog box. Type \\\. That will open a dialog box for mapping a share. If you make your linux user ID and password match your Win7 user ID and password, you don't even have to enter those things. If they don't match, there is a link titled something like "Log in with a different user name and password". Sorry, I'd have to reboot into Win7 again to get the exact title of the link. But seriously, those 2 commands were all I had to do to access my files from my Win7 machine. If you want to modify the files on your linux machine, you have to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf on the linux machine. But for copying the files to your Win7 machine, I really think that is all you have to do. On 07/06/2016 01:39 PM, John J. Boyer wrote: I tried to install a samba server on Windows. However, the Geek Squad agent who was helping said he didn't know enough to proceed. If I go to the Samba website, what should I do? Thanks, John On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: Ditto. I've also only every used Samba for this. Note, however, that once you have Samba set up, you can perfectly access the Windows folder from the Linux command line. Look at the man pages for the following: smbclient smbget Good luck! Janina John G Heim writes: I have always done this with samba. I never found it particularly difficult. You do have to read/follow the instructions. On 07/05/2016 01:36 PM, Mark Peveto wrote: I'll be interested in the answer to that question myself. I've had some tell me I need to use samba to do that...I've never been able to make it work. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from F123 Visual using alpine 2.20.13 On Tue, 5 Jul 2016, John J. Boyer wrote: I'm going to set up a folder called c:\share on my Windows machine. I want to set up a device on my Linux machine which is connected with this folder over my LAN. I know that this can be done, because I had something similar at one time. However, i'm not certain how to do it again. If I remember, it just took an entry in fstab and an entry in /dev. Thanks. John -- John J. Boyer; President, AbilitiesSoft, Inc. Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with disabilities which are available at no cost. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Sharing files between Linux and Windows
You won't be able to find a existing case with space for an integrated braille display. It might be possible to install linux on a Pac Mate though. I had a Pac Mate with a 40 cell display. I still use the display every day but it is attached to my linux desktop. The Pac Mate itselfis gone. The battery blew up and the keyboard went bad. But I'll bet I could buy just the Pac Mate part for $100 these days. It might take more brains than I have to install linux on that thing though. Another option is to design your own case and have it printed on a 3D printer. But I don't think it's practical for a blind person to do that because the 3D drawing software is not going to be accessible. The whole thing could be a business opportunity for someone though. Start with a raspberry pi or something like that, design a case with an integrated braille display, and start selling linux notetakers. On 07/07/2016 10:53 AM, John J. Boyer wrote: Hi Janina, Building or rather designing my own computer would be fun. Maybe I can get others interested in participating. I'm thinking that what I would really like is a laptop with a built-in Braille display. It would have to have wi-fi and I would install comand-line only Debian. I have a Focus 40 display. Perhaps it could be attached to the laptop, so the two would be a single physical unit. John -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: latest ubuntu
I think it's a little hasty to tell people not to try ubuntu 16.04. I've installed ubuntu 16.04 so often that I eventually took the time to configure a pxe installation server. I've never had it crash. Your problem might have been a hardware failure or a kernel bug. Ubuntu compiles it's own kernels but they are not responsible for the drivers. On 07/07/2016 09:46 AM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: Hi. This was not good. Tried to install ubuntu desktop. The installer crached. Do not try ubuntu desktop 16.04. Skickat från min iPhone 7 juli 2016 kl. 15:26 skrev Mark Peveto <southernprinc...@gmail.com>: Also, ubuntu mate is accessible as well. I've run it. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from f123 visual using alpine 2.20.13 On Thu, 7 Jul 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote: What version of Ubuntu have you tried, and how did you try to bring up speech? Did you try alt+super+s for example? Also, Vinux is based on Ubuntu, and it comes up talking. On 07/07/16 06:17, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: Hi. Since I got problems with latest testing version of debian(it refuses to run orca) I have decided to try ubuntu instead. but when trying there is no braille or speech at all. can I install ubuntu in some way? I tried the network install, but when I did ubuntu didn't find my harddrive. just the usb stick. /Kristoffer -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Sharing files between Linux and Windows
I am pretty sure that on your linux machine, all you have to do is this: sudo apt-get install samba *sudo smbpasswd -a * That's all I did on a fresh debian jessie machine and I was able to access my files in Win7. In Win7, press control+r to open a run dialog box. Type \\\. That will open a dialog box for mapping a share. If you make your linux user ID and password match your Win7 user ID and password, you don't even have to enter those things. If they don't match, there is a link titled something like "Log in with a different user name and password". Sorry, I'd have to reboot into Win7 again to get the exact title of the link. But seriously, those 2 commands were all I had to do to access my files from my Win7 machine. If you want to modify the files on your linux machine, you have to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf on the linux machine. But for copying the files to your Win7 machine, I really think that is all you have to do. On 07/06/2016 01:39 PM, John J. Boyer wrote: I tried to install a samba server on Windows. However, the Geek Squad agent who was helping said he didn't know enough to proceed. If I go to the Samba website, what should I do? Thanks, John On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: Ditto. I've also only every used Samba for this. Note, however, that once you have Samba set up, you can perfectly access the Windows folder from the Linux command line. Look at the man pages for the following: smbclient smbget Good luck! Janina John G Heim writes: I have always done this with samba. I never found it particularly difficult. You do have to read/follow the instructions. On 07/05/2016 01:36 PM, Mark Peveto wrote: I'll be interested in the answer to that question myself. I've had some tell me I need to use samba to do that...I've never been able to make it work. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from F123 Visual using alpine 2.20.13 On Tue, 5 Jul 2016, John J. Boyer wrote: I'm going to set up a folder called c:\share on my Windows machine. I want to set up a device on my Linux machine which is connected with this folder over my LAN. I know that this can be done, because I had something similar at one time. However, i'm not certain how to do it again. If I remember, it just took an entry in fstab and an entry in /dev. Thanks. John -- John J. Boyer; President, AbilitiesSoft, Inc. Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with disabilities which are available at no cost. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Sharing files between Linux and Windows
I have always done this with samba. I never found it particularly difficult. You do have to read/follow the instructions. On 07/05/2016 01:36 PM, Mark Peveto wrote: I'll be interested in the answer to that question myself. I've had some tell me I need to use samba to do that...I've never been able to make it work. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from F123 Visual using alpine 2.20.13 On Tue, 5 Jul 2016, John J. Boyer wrote: I'm going to set up a folder called c:\share on my Windows machine. I want to set up a device on my Linux machine which is connected with this folder over my LAN. I know that this can be done, because I had something similar at one time. However, i'm not certain how to do it again. If I remember, it just took an entry in fstab and an entry in /dev. Thanks. John -- John J. Boyer; President, AbilitiesSoft, Inc. Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with disabilities which are available at no cost. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: how do I find out what's hanging me up?
If you can configure a serial console, you would be able to read those messages. But I still say it's a process in an uninterrruptable sleep which means the kernel can't kill it during a normal shutdown. That, in turn, implies that it is a kernel bug in a device driver. In fact, I will wager it's the driver for your sound card and the process that is in an uninterruptable sleep is pulse. That's just a guess though. If the machine is kind of old, it is very likely to have a serial port. Then you need another computer and a null modem cable to configure a serial console. There is a really good serial console howto on the web. No point in me reiterating all that. If you have never configured a serial console before, you are not likely to have a null modem cable lying around. But setting up a serial console is a valuable skill for a blind linux sysadmin to have. You can even do a serial console install of VMware ESXI. PS: Thanks for the tip on tap tap see. I'd never heard of it before. I am going to try it today. When I need to have a screen read to me by my phone, I have been using the knfbReader app. On 07/03/2016 01:08 PM, Mark Peveto wrote: I've been working on this more today, pulling out all the tools I've got. To the point i'm using tap tap see to try and get an idea of what's on my screen when reboot hangs. The most i can get is a message about bus socket display, and a command prompt. Not real helpful, but I guess it's a start. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from sonar using alpine 2.20.13 On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Tony Baechler wrote: On 7/2/2016 1:54 AM, Mark Peveto wrote: The short version of a long story. I've just installed sonar on a dell pc. I've also got it installed on a compaq/hp machine, where the followig problem doesn't exist. On the dell, sudo reboot seems to hang. Sudo shutdown works fine. I've tried sudo shutdown -r now, sudo systemctl reboot, and other options. How, without sighted help, can I find out what's causing this machine to hang when I reboot. What's strange is this...why does it shut down just fine, but not reboot? I'm not familiar with Sonar, so consider these random guesses. First, have you looked in /var/log/syslog and kern.log? There might be a process not shutting down properly. If you halt the system, all processes are killed and all filesystems are unmounted. A reboot only resets the system, so I suppose it's possible that a process is behaving badly or the kernel can't unmount a filesystem. I see this sometimes with slow USB devices, like if I copy a ton of files to my SD card. A more likely explanation is an ACPI or power management issue. You didn't say how old the machines are, but it could be a BIOS bug. Recent kernels should work around this. Without knowing the age of the machine and the kernel version, I can only guess. Also, the machine isn't a laptop, right? Laptops usually have power management issues. On Debian, there is a package called acpi-tools. Try installing it if it isn't there or purging it if it's there. I have better luck without it installed. I would bet syslog and kern.log would have clues to your problem. I would check those first. Make note of the time you reboot the machine and look at those files with less. You could try booting a live CD to avoid adding all of the boot messages to the logs. You didn't say if that happens on a live CD, booting from the hard drive, other distros, etc. I''ve noticed most live CDs have strange shutdown problems. You might have to pass a parameter on the kernel command line. Both HP and Dell have issues with Linux. -- Tony Baechler, founder, Baechler Access Technology Services Putting accessibility at the forefront of technology mailto:b...@batsupport.com Phone: 1-619-746-8310 SMS text: 1-619-375-2545 ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: how do I find out what's hanging me up?
When the kernel tries to kill a process or unmount a file system, it makes a system call which can result in something called an "uninterruptable sleep". Processes in an uninterruptable sleep state are marked with a D (I think) in the process table. You can see that with ps or top. Symptoms of a process in an uninterruptable sleep state are that if you do a df or an lsusb, it hangs and you can't even control-c out. There might be other ways to get the same result. But try doing a df and an lsusb before shutting down and it they hang, you know it's a kernel bug . On 07/02/2016 03:54 AM, Mark Peveto wrote: Hi all, The short version of a long story. I've just installed sonar on a dell pc. I've also got it installed on a compaq/hp machine, where the followig problem doesn't exist. On the dell, sudo reboot seems to hang. Sudo shutdown works fine. I've tried sudo shutdown -r now, sudo systemctl reboot, and other options. How, without sighted help, can I find out what's causing this machine to hang when I reboot. What's strange is this...why does it shut down just fine, but not reboot? Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from sonar using alpine 2.20.13 ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
brltty and dracut
Has anyone gotten brltty to insert itself into the initrd on debian jessie? I have only a virtual machine to try this on but it looks to me as if debian switched from initramfs-tools to dracut to build the initrd and therefore, brltty can no longer insert itself into the initrd. I happen to be working with a debian developer on the scripts to get brltty into the initrd via dracut. If we get it working, it might be of interest to the brltty developers. I am just wondering if anyone can confirm my assessment of the problem and if anyone has ever had personal contact with the brltty developers. I could email them but I thought it would be better if I knew exactly who to talk to. -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Looking for a good Linux shop in Madison, Wisconsin
I happen to be in Madison and I've already offered to upgrade John's machine for him. But there is a really, really good computer repair shop in Madison that does linux. It's called Madison Computer Works. I've been doing business with them since the mid-90s even before I knew anything about linux myself. On 06/29/2016 10:00 AM, Janina Sajka wrote: Hi, John: I agree with your preference for taking your machine to a Linux shop. However, it's probably not really necessary. Unless you're also asking them to install software, any competent shop that builds machines to customer requirements should be able to explore and help with upgrading your machine with things like more RAM and faster/bigger hard drives. PS: You should keep in the back of your mind that it might be cheaper to simply replace, though I would still go with figuring out your components iteratively and not just buy of the shelf. For example, I'd want to investigate upgrading to an ePCI hard drive. They're getting down to the affordable range, at least for the OS itself. Good luck, and stay in touch about this. I think a lot of us will be interested. Janina John J. Boyer writes: My Linux machine needs a new disk drive and a general overhaul. Does anyone know of a good Linux shop in Madison, Wisconsin? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer; President, AbilitiesSoft, Inc. Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with disabilities which are available at no cost. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Looking for a good Linux shop in Madison, Wisconsin
I am guessing John's problem would be with 2 things. First, he'd want linux with braille installed on the new hard drive. Second, he'd want his files copied from the old hard drive. Both of those things would take some knowledge of linux. Maybe not a lot, but some. On 06/29/2016 09:37 AM, Mark Peveto wrote: Hi John, I don't think you'd need a linux shop specifically, just a good computer store that can get you the kind of drive and such. Check with best buy if you've got one close...they can probably get you headed in the right direction. Have a good one. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from sonar using alpine 2.20.13 On Wed, 29 Jun 2016, John J. Boyer wrote: My Linux machine needs a new disk drive and a general overhaul. Does anyone know of a good Linux shop in Madison, Wisconsin? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer; President, AbilitiesSoft, Inc. Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with disabilities which are available at no cost. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: alsa and pulse. is this good or not?
I think you should try to narrow it down to a sound or a espeak problem. Try playing some wav files to find out if they sound right. On 06/28/2016 01:10 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: Hi. after removing snd-hda-intel and replacing it with my headset it worked. not good sound quality, is there a way to fix that? I just ran espeakup and it worked. /Kristoffer 2016-06-28 19:09 GMT+02:00, Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>: Did you install espeak with all dependencies yet? If not, do that first. Next, sudo systemctl enable espeak.service . If successful, type: sudo modprobe speakup_soft . If successful, type: espeakup and see if espeak is willing to talk to you. If yes, reboot and see if espeak is still willing to talk to you. If yes, you did it. If I were installing debian myself, I'd use the s boot parameter just after the beep when the DVD spins up and have espeak talking throughout the whole installation and after that installation too. Hope this helps. On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:39:25 From: Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristof...@gmail.com> Reply-To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: alsa and pulse. is this good or not? Hi. I'm using the latest stable version of debian. I hope that there is a way to get espeakup to work. I really need speech in my console. also I've discovered that I searched wrong when searching for hearing my microphone some time ago. I should have searched for "microphone output" + alsa. that gave me luck. /Kristoffer 2016-06-27 22:49 GMT+02:00, Mark Peveto <southernprinc...@gmail.com>: It may be good information, but I've tried to remove it before, and it does cause quite a mess. If you think you can do it successfully, you can sure try, but I'd suggest being careful. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from vinux using alpine 2.20.13 On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: Hi. I found information here about removing pulse audio. http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/01/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-use-alsa-ubuntu-linux/ is this good or not? Would this solve all espeakup erros I've got? I can't get voxin to work on my 64 bit install of debian. /Kristoffer -- Kristoffer Gustafsson Sal?ngsgatan 7a tel:033-12 60 93 mobil: 0730-500934 ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Kristoffer Gustafsson Sal?ngsgatan 7a tel:033-12 60 93 mobil: 0730-500934 ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: need to skip vinux and install ubuntu
If you google "rufus" it comes up first. I have to say, google is your friend. You can save yourself a heck of a lot of frustration by googling everything before asking on an email list. It's faster, it's easier, it's more accurate. Well, it's usually more accurate. You might have to read more than one page for that. On 06/08/2016 01:38 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: ah ok. teaches me not to read the entire thread. :) so, now all I have to do is look for it. -eric On Jun 8, 2016, at 3:37 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Rufus is a Windows utility and not a Linux tool. Since Eric is looking to create a bootable ISO from Windows or Mac, Rufus should do the trick. Note that Unetbootn isn't the only tool that will do the trick. Rufus and other options exist, which you can find with Google. BTW, the link for Rufus is https://rufus.akeo.ie/ On 08/06/16 04:11, Jude DaShiell wrote: There is an accessible tool for linux called rufus. On Wed, 8 Jun 2016, Eric Oyen wrote: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 04:50:28 From: Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> Reply-To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: need to skip vinux and install ubuntu hmmm. I wish I could get that far. I have a windows machine (and this mac), but I can't get either to make a bootable USB stick because the 1 tool needed is bloody inaccessible. the tool is Unetbootn and its nothing but graphics in windows (tested with 3 screen readers there) and all but invisible to voiceover on my mac. now, I have contacted the developer on that project to see if he can offer a solution. guess I won't know until later this week. In any case, I am without any means to put linux on a USB stick (and I don't have media for a DVD either). -eric On Jun 8, 2016, at 1:35 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: Yes, run the vinux install the way you normally do to start. There's going to be a question install this 3rd party software yes/no, answer that with no and proceed from there. Then do your updates to the version of ubuntu you need. On Tue, 7 Jun 2016, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:56:49 From: Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristof...@gmail.com> Reply-To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: need to skip vinux and install ubuntu Hi. In order to get my wireless card I need to be running ubuntu 15.10 or later. How was it with the normal ubuntu? can I install that by myself too like vinux? I could skip ubuntu too, and just install debian testing. what do you think is best? debian testing or installing a ubuntu? /Kristoffer -- Kristoffer Gustafsson Sal?ngsgatan 7a tel:033-12 60 93 mobil: 0730-500934 ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- -- John G. Heim; jh...@math.wisc.edu; sip://jh...@sip.linphone.org ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
