Re: Orca & tbird issues

[Janina Sajka]

Thanks Christopher.

And, I suppose I should add that the mutt bug re home and end has been
squashed, and the expected behavior of those keys is function again as
expected.

Janina

Christopher Chaltain writes:
> Thunderbird has control+r for reply to sender, control+shift+r for reply to
> all and control+shift+l for reply to list.
> 
> On 10/11/16 08:36, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui
> > terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it
> > should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui
> > terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think
> > screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over
> > the gui terminal.
> > 
> > It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop
> > up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25
> > pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into
> > focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off
> > from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen"
> > command fixes that.
> > 
> > Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where
> > Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index
> > list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed.
> > 
> > As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't
> > careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be
> > blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very
> > same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C
> > lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied.
> > 
> > Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the
> > gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to
> > the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate
> > Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals."
> > 
> > I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a
> > browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that
> > familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important
> > factor for success with whatever one chooses to use.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Tim Chase writes:
> > > On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
> > > > Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
> > > > always used a web browser to check my e-mail.
> > > 
> > > I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
> > > all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
> > > internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
> > > then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
> > > internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
> > > access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
> > > options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
> > > (Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
> > > within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
> > > "alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
> > > available within emacs).
> > > 
> > > -tim
> > > 
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Re: mutt indexing (was Re: Orca & tbird issues)

[Janina Sajka]

Aha, very excellent, and hearty congratulations to you! A tad early, but
deserved I'm sure!

Since people like to give graduates advice, it'll my two cents based on
this topic. Dump the Amazon stuff, just as you said. If you ever need
that, Amazon has your data under your account. But, do come up for a
plan for the work related stuff atleast, and maybe some of the truly personal
stuff, too. You'll likely find the work related archive will prove
helpful in ways you can't forsee.


Janina


Jeffery Mewtamer writes:
> For what it's worth, I'm a Computer Science undergrad, though I
> graduate in less than a month.
> 
> On 11/13/16, John G. Heim  wrote:
> > I take it your job doesn't require you to read & respond to email. There
> > are many reasons you might need to find a message from years ago if
> > email is a big part of your job. I save almost everything I send but
> > only a fraction of what I receive. Even so, the archive for each year's
> > email is sometimes many thousands of messages.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 09:57 AM, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
> >> I'm honestly surprised at the e-mail backlogs some list members
> >> maintain. I personally find it annoying when an e-mail gives me reason
> >> to hold on to it longer than the time it takes to read, and if
> >> appropriate, reply, and even among messages that land in my inbox and
> >> don't get marked as spam, there are many I delete without reading
> >> beyond the subject line(order confirmations and shipment notices from
> >> Amazon being a prime example).
> >>
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Re: mutt indexing (was Re: Orca & tbird issues)

[Janina Sajka]

I do see how it can seem a waste, and I try not to keep the obvious
junk. But, there's also substance among those emails, and sometimes work
related questions arise where it proves helpful to search back in the
record. Fortunately, hard drive space is reasonably affordable.

Janina

Jeffery Mewtamer writes:
> I'm honestly surprised at the e-mail backlogs some list members
> maintain. I personally find it annoying when an e-mail gives me reason
> to hold on to it longer than the time it takes to read, and if
> appropriate, reply, and even among messages that land in my inbox and
> don't get marked as spam, there are many I delete without reading
> beyond the subject line(order confirmations and shipment notices from
> Amazon being a prime example).
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[Christopher Chaltain]

Thunderbird has control+r for reply to sender, control+shift+r for reply 
to all and control+shift+l for reply to list.


On 10/11/16 08:36, Janina Sajka wrote:

I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui
terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it
should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui
terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think
screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over
the gui terminal.

It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop
up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25
pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into
focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off
from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen"
command fixes that.

Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where
Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index
list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed.

As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't
careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be
blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very
same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C
lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied.

Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the
gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to
the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate
Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals."

I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a
browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that
familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important
factor for success with whatever one chooses to use.

Janina

Tim Chase writes:

On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:

Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
always used a web browser to check my e-mail.


I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
(Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
"alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
available within emacs).

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Re: mutt indexing (was Re: Orca & tbird issues)

[Jeffery Mewtamer]

For what it's worth, I'm a Computer Science undergrad, though I
graduate in less than a month.

On 11/13/16, John G. Heim  wrote:
> I take it your job doesn't require you to read & respond to email. There
> are many reasons you might need to find a message from years ago if
> email is a big part of your job. I save almost everything I send but
> only a fraction of what I receive. Even so, the archive for each year's
> email is sometimes many thousands of messages.
>
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 09:57 AM, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
>> I'm honestly surprised at the e-mail backlogs some list members
>> maintain. I personally find it annoying when an e-mail gives me reason
>> to hold on to it longer than the time it takes to read, and if
>> appropriate, reply, and even among messages that land in my inbox and
>> don't get marked as spam, there are many I delete without reading
>> beyond the subject line(order confirmations and shipment notices from
>> Amazon being a prime example).
>>
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Re: mutt indexing (was Re: Orca & tbird issues)

[Janina Sajka]

True. But it also provides full search capibilities, including all the
standard operators like and and not, and all the grouping and piping
functions. And, it provides the ability to limit each such statement to
a particular aspect of the mail being searched. I like that a lot, and
use it all the time.

Joel Roth writes:
> Most email clients have built-in search, however mutt
> requires an external indexer. I've done well with mu. It
> integrates by mapping search to one key (e.g. F8), you input
> text and ENTER, then hit another key (e.g. F9) to view search
> result. Takes one more keystroke than I'd like, but works
> okay.
> 
> http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/
> 
> Janina Sajka wrote:
>  
> > Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the
> > gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to
> > the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate
> > Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals."
> > 
> > I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a
> > browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that
> > familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important
> > factor for success with whatever one chooses to use.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Tim Chase writes:
> > > On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
> > > > Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
> > > > always used a web browser to check my e-mail. 
> > > 
> > > I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
> > > all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
> > > internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
> > > then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
> > > internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
> > > access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
> > > options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
> > > (Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
> > > within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
> > > "alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
> > > available within emacs).
> > > 
> > > -tim
> > > 
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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[Janina Sajka]

Don't confuse Speakup and Espeak, and espeakup. These are three separate
packages that perform three related, but separate functions.

Example: You can use Speakup with other TTS engines, like the ones that
Windows people call Eloquence.

Having said that, I would suggest your problem is one of familiarity
with the screen reader. There's no reason to have the problem you're
experiencing with Speakup. You have much much more control over what is,
and isn't spoken by Speakup, though the control is not object based as
it is with Orca and other gui environments. Those of us who are quite
long in the tooth will surely recall that Speakup works a lot like asap
did in DOS--which I'm guessing you're too young to know about.

As always, the advice is to use the tools that work best for you. We're
all different people with different skills and proclivities. There's
nothing wrong with that, and there's everything right with have a
plethera of tools to select from. But, kindly don't blame the tool!

Janina

Jeffery Mewtamer writes:
> One reason I'm stuck using Knoppix instead of Vanilla Debian is that I
> find espeakup's screen review functionality far less intuitive
> compared to SBL, the text-mode screen reader included in Knoppix's
> Adriane accessibility suite. Plus, when I'm scrolling through a text
> document in nano or package lists in aptitude, it's confusing when
> espeakup decides to read the line that just scrolled on screen instead
> of the line that the cursor was just moved to.
> 
> I do like how espeakup will automatically read the position
> information in nano when I press crtl+C instead of needing to use
> screen review to read that line in SBL and how I don't need screen
> review to have espeakup read output from Frotz and other text-mode
> ZCod Virtual Machines, but SBL is still the overall better text-mode
> screen reader in my opinion. Sadly, I've never gotten the knoppix .deb
> to run on a Debian system, and it's i386 only so I couldn't use the
> .deb on 64-bit or ARM debian anyways. To make matters worse, aside
> from Knoppix, I know of no attempts to port SBL to any distro aside
> from Suse where it originated, and I've been using Debian-based
> distros for so long that learning an RPM distro would probably be more
> trouble than its worth.
> 
> Also, while Gmail's HTML view works well with Firefox and Orca, it's
> pretty much unusable in elinks with either SBL or espeakup. Then
> again, I find elinks unusable in general and every other text-mode
> browser even worse, which is a real shame since Firefox is the only
> graphical program I use and Firefox, Orca, and the minimalist X-server
> I use to run them accountt for most of my root partition's used space.
> 
> Granted, even Firefox would be borderline unusable if not for all the
> handy navigation shortcuts Orca adds. Being able to press numrow 3 to
> jump straight to the links to folders with unread messages or my
> contacts link or pressing x to jump to the checkbox for
> selecting/unslecting a message that happens to have the participants
> and subject as it's label and being a single tab from the link that
> will open the conversation is really handy. I try loading Gmail in
> elinks, and I can't even tell if focus is on a link in the folder list
> or a link in the message list. It's enough to wish my programming
> skills were advanced enough to make patches for elinks that would add
> the navigation shortcuts Orca adds to Firefox and to force elinks to
> display multi-column webpages in a single column.
> 
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> 
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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[mattias]

will claws mail work with orca?

i think kmail are for kde?


Den 2016-11-10 kl. 11:18, skrev Jude DaShiell:
When and where internet access is spotty.  Where is most of the United 
States too.  hughesnet hasn't been replaced by anything better yet.


On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, Tim Chase wrote:


Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:14:12
From: Tim Chase <blinux.l...@thechases.com>
Reply-To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Orca & tbird issues

On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:

Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
always used a web browser to check my e-mail.


I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
(Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
"alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
available within emacs).

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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[John G Heim]

There is a reason why apps like Thunderbird and Microsoft Office are so 
popular. They are easy and efficient. Thunderbird worked pretty well 
with orca for many years. I'm not going to change email clients every 
time some bug develops. I'd go crazy. These bugs are enough to make me 
change eventually. But I have hopes they'll be fixed.





On 11/10/2016 08:36 AM, Janina Sajka wrote:

I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui
terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it
should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui
terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think
screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over
the gui terminal.

It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop
up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25
pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into
focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off
from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen"
command fixes that.

Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where
Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index
list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed.

As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't
careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be
blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very
same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C
lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied.

Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the
gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to
the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate
Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals."

I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a
browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that
familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important
factor for success with whatever one chooses to use.

Janina

Tim Chase writes:

On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:

Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
always used a web browser to check my e-mail.

I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
(Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
"alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[Janina Sajka]

I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui
terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it
should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui
terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think
screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over
the gui terminal.

It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop
up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25
pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into
focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off
from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen"
command fixes that.

Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where
Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index
list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed.

As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't
careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be
blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very
same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C
lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied.

Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the
gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to
the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate
Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals."

I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a
browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that
familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important
factor for success with whatever one chooses to use.

Janina

Tim Chase writes:
> On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
> > Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
> > always used a web browser to check my e-mail. 
> 
> I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
> all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
> internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
> then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
> internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
> access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
> options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
> (Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
> within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
> "alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
> available within emacs).
> 
> -tim
> 
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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[Jude DaShiell]

When and where internet access is spotty.  Where is most of the United 
States too.  hughesnet hasn't been replaced by anything better yet.


On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, Tim Chase wrote:


Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:14:12
From: Tim Chase <blinux.l...@thechases.com>
Reply-To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Orca & tbird issues

On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:

Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
always used a web browser to check my e-mail.


I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
(Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
"alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
available within emacs).

-tim


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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[Tim Chase]

On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
> Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
> always used a web browser to check my e-mail. 

I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
(Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
"alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
available within emacs).

-tim


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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[Jeffery Mewtamer]

Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
always used a web browser to check my e-mail. Granted, not all e-mail
web interfaces/web browser combinations work as well with Orca as
Gmail's HTML view in Firefox does.

Then again, I've never had any luck using Orca with a full Desktop and
on my current machine, I'm running Firefox in a stripped down
X-session.



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Re: Orca & tbird issues

[Kyle]

I haven't had problems as you have described in Thunderbird for some 
time, although I do get hangs and frozen speech, even though all other 
apps speak without issues. SeaMonkey on the other hand works much better 
here. I neither hear spoken messages that are not selected, nor do I 
lose focus often. I have disabled all checkboxes that cause messages to 
be stored on this computer, so it cuts down a lot of the i/o that seems 
to hang things. However, Thunderbird doesn't appear to honor that 
option, so I'm on SeaMonkey for the foreseeable future, untill or unless 
Evolution, Balsa, Geary, Claws-mail or something else gets its act 
together and starts reading everything I need to hear and/or stops 
crashing as I try to use it.

Sent from a revelation

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