Re: Screen reader research project.

[Linux for blind general discussion]

Karen said:
Still, there are companies contracted  to provide  tests across 
platforms on accessibility.  If you do not tell the people drafting this 
industry respected effort, how will they know?


Every time I have filled out this survey, I have told them the same 
thing. I believe it was just last year that I told them that I couldn't 
accurately complete the survey, because not only did they not include my 
desktop OS and screen reader, but I don't think my mobile OS and screen 
reader were listed either. That could have been the mid 2015 survey, but 
still, the fact remains that many people have filled out this survey 
inaccurately again and again because there is no proper way to 
accurately complete it.


It has been said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over, 
expecting different results. Frankly, I'm not sure who this industry is, 
nor do I care, since time and time again, these so-called researchers 
have continued to ignore Linux, and only recently have they finally 
decided that Android is suitable for what I'm sure they and others like 
to call "the blind." With this in mind, I refuse to continue doing the 
same thing over and over, expecting different results. I'm done. If I 
keep trying this same survey each time they put out a new one, it will 
do far more to make me go insane than it will do to help anyone.


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Re: Screen reader research project.

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there is a contact e-mail for each researcher...you tell them directly.
and in the closing comments for the research.
I have no idea how many times you  have personally tried to make your voice 
be heard  regarding anything...and I am 100% sure you have zero 
information on how often I might have done this.   So your use of we makes 
no sense to me personally. 
Still, there are companies contracted  to provide  tests across platforms 
on accessibility.  If you do not tell the people drafting this industry 
respected effort, how will they know?

Karen


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On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Since Linux isn't even represented, nor can it be represented if we specify 
"other," Linux will never have a seat at the table in this survey. How many 
times have we tried to make our voices heard, all to no avail? This survey is 
utter garbage, and no matter how many times we fill it out and try to do our 
best to get Linux a seat at its table, we will continue to be ignored by this 
company. It's the sad and horrible truth.


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Re: Screen reader research project.

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I had already taken this survey, like so many others before it. 
Voiceover is indeed mentioned, as is Talkback. Still no Orca, and no 
Linux software of any kind. Yes, it's definitely a waste of time, since 
this same thing comes up as much as twice a year and little ever changes.


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Re: Screen reader research project.

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While I agree chances are low the people behind this survey will ever
give attention to Linux flavors other than Android, not even trying to
draw their attention to such a glaring omission will accomplish
nothing but making our skepticism into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Anyways, I filled out the survey and used the comments box to name
drop as many Linux screen readers as I could think of, and I'll likely
fill out the next survey if I'm made aware of it. Might ultimately
have been a waste of time, but I can think of far worse ways to spend
fifteen minutes.

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Re: Screen reader research project.

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Since Linux isn't even represented, nor can it be represented if we 
specify "other," Linux will never have a seat at the table in this 
survey. How many times have we tried to make our voices heard, all to no 
avail? This survey is utter garbage, and no matter how many times we 
fill it out and try to do our best to get Linux a seat at its table, we 
will continue to be ignored by this company. It's the sad and horrible 
truth.


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Re: Screen reader research project.

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I will have a look. But anyway: "When submitted, your browser version
and operating system will be collected." So if Linux users reply, they
will now proprotions of linux users.


Regards



Le 11/10/2017 à 03:16, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit :
> Hi folks,
> I am trying again  in case my first post was considered to be
> spam...the word  survey in the subject line.
> Please take this annual screen reader survey.
> https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
>
> In fact if you are involved in development of Linux screen reader
> efforts, take the survey,  please, and contact the researchers.
> There is not  a single reference to Linux in the entire thing.
> Additionally,  while other appears as a choice, there is no text field
> to provide your alternative in context.
> We discussed  how well known Linux access is in general before. 
> because this particular survey is well respected and  widely
> distributed, this is a fine   place to begin  making sure more than
> windows and the mac define accessibility.
> Kare
>
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Re: Screen reader research project.

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If some data could be opened anonymously and shared to accessibility
developpers, I would want a look, what are the questions since I don't
wanna put a biais since I don't actually use a screen reader ...

2017-10-10 21:16 UTC−04:00, Linux for blind general discussion
:
> Hi folks,
> I am trying again  in case my first post was considered to be spam...the
> word  survey in the subject line.
> Please take this annual screen reader survey.
> https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
>
> In fact if you are involved in development of Linux screen reader efforts,
> take the survey,  please, and contact the researchers.
> There is not  a single reference to Linux in the entire thing.
> Additionally,  while other appears as a choice, there is no text field
> to provide your alternative in context.
> We discussed  how well known Linux access is in general before.  because
> this particular survey is well respected and  widely distributed, this is
> a fine   place to begin  making sure more than windows and the mac define
> accessibility.
> Kare
>
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