Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Your problem is most likely with speech-dispatcher, not Orca, especially if you're also using gdm. Restart your speech-dispatcher. You may also need to restart Orca, i.e. from an Alt-F2 command prompt, type 'orca -r' . Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I replaced orca with orca-git and have no better performance. > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:32:34 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > Subject: archlinux gnome and orca package > > > > I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and > > mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by > > running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I > > heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside > > gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. > > Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when > > started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only > > shows its setup screen. > > Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or > > may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and > > alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Of course I don't, I was just making it clear what I did and didn't do. I have encounterd persons before who think speakup should run in a gnome terminal or other graphical terminal. kp On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Does Speakup even work in a Gnome Terminal session? I wouldn't have even thought to try such a thing. And, if that's the case you most certainly shouldn't expect to have Orca and Speaup both sharing a single speech-dispatcher process. I don't believe anyone built those to work that way. Wierd. Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: Yes, I mean that I never attempt to run speakup in a gnome terminal session and I have separate users for text and graphical use. -- Kelly Prescott On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the gui? Thanks! Al On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Does Speakup even work in a Gnome Terminal session? I wouldn't have even thought to try such a thing. And, if that's the case you most certainly shouldn't expect to have Orca and Speaup both sharing a single speech-dispatcher process. I don't believe anyone built those to work that way. Wierd. Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Yes, I mean that I never attempt to run speakup in a gnome terminal session > and I have separate users for text and graphical use. > -- Kelly Prescott > > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: > > I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean > > that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a > > text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the > > gui? Thanks! > > > > Al > > > > On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca > > > with gnome and gdm. > > > I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. > > > I also have never disabled pulse. > > > I follow these simple rules: > > > 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. > > > 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. > > > This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and > > > > mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it > > > > by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times > > > > until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran > > > > speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. > > > > Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when > > > > started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only > > > > shows its setup screen. > > > > Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may > > > > or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, > > > > and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ___ > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
After that failure, I removed gnome and gnome-extra from this system. So far as I can find out on this end, archlinux works great with espeakup doesn't work any longer with emacspeak and speechdispatcher and orca not at all. Until I find far better documentation on how to actually get these other screen readers running and talking on archlinux I'll confine graphical user interface stuff to other disks and other systems. Next time I try to solve a captcha on Linux, I'll put a call up to be my eyes and see what can be done that way since firefox is dodgey in terms of being able to work with webvisum. On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:05:14 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: archlinux gnome and orca package Don't worry I'm having the same thing as well. I keep wondering if there if there is a service I need to enable for speech dispatcher or change something in config files. I might try ratpoison with orca. On 9/6/17, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I replaced orca with orca-git and have no better performance. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:32:34 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: archlinux gnome and orca package I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
I think I understand. I never run speakup in a gnome-terminal session, never thought it would make sense, but I do work as the same user in the text terminals as with the gui. None too sure I want to change that, but I should give it a look. Al On 9/6/2017 6:52 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Yes, I mean that I never attempt to run speakup in a gnome terminal session and I have separate users for text and graphical use. -- Kelly Prescott On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the gui? Thanks! Al On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and > mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it > by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times > until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran > speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. > Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when > started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only > shows its setup screen. > Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may > or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, > and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Don't worry I'm having the same thing as well. I keep wondering if there if there is a service I need to enable for speech dispatcher or change something in config files. I might try ratpoison with orca. On 9/6/17, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I replaced orca with orca-git and have no better performance. > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:32:34 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >> Subject: archlinux gnome and orca package >> >> I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra >> by >> now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running >> gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard >> repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside >> gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. >> Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when >> started >> even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its >> setup screen. >> Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or >> may >> not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and >> alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- Seth Hurst hurstseth...@gmail.com ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Yes, I mean that I never attempt to run speakup in a gnome terminal session and I have separate users for text and graphical use. -- Kelly Prescott On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the gui? Thanks! Al On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and > mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it > by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times > until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran > speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. > Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when > started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only > shows its setup screen. > Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may > or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, > and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the gui? Thanks! Al On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
I replaced orca with orca-git and have no better performance. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:32:34 From: Linux for blind general discussion To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: archlinux gnome and orca package I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
