[Bloat] some good bloat related stuff on the ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6
ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6 Rong Pan: A follow up on the PIE queue management algorithm, 30 min Toke Hoeiland-Joergensen: The State of the Art in Bufferbloat Testing and Reduction on Linux, 30 min Matt Mathis: Drawing the line between transport and network requirements, 30 min There is still room on the agenda for more talks if anyone would like to present. http://irtf.org/iccrg http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/agenda/agenda-86-iccrg For those that don't attend ietf meetings in person, there is usually live audio and jabber chat hooked up into the presentations. See y'all there, next month, in one form or another. -- Dave Täht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] some good bloat related stuff on the ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6
On 2/28/2013 10:53 AM, Dave Taht wrote: For those that don't attend ietf meetings in person, there is usually live audio and jabber chat hooked up into the presentations. See y'all there, next month, in one form or another. In the TSVAREA meeting, we've also set aside some time to talk about AQM and whether there's interest and energy to do some more specific work on AQM algs in the IETF (e.g. like CoDel and PIE): https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/86/agenda/tsvarea I'm working with Martin on some slides to seed the discussion, but we hope that it's mostly the community that we hear from, following up in the higher-bandwidth face-to-face time from the thread we had on the tsv-a...@ietf.org mailing list a few months ago. -- Wes Eddy MTI Systems ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] some good bloat related stuff on the ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6
A small suggestion. Instead of working on *algorithms*, focus on getting something actually *deployed* to fix the very real issues that we have today (preserving the option to upgrade later if need be). The folks who built the Internet (I was there, as you probably know) focused on making stuff that worked and interoperated, not publishing papers or RFCs. -Original Message- From: Wesley Eddy w...@mti-systems.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:11pm To: Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com Cc: bloat-annou...@lists.bufferbloat.net, Martin Stiemerling martin.stiemerl...@neclab.eu, cerowrt-de...@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] some good bloat related stuff on the ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6 On 2/28/2013 10:53 AM, Dave Taht wrote: For those that don't attend ietf meetings in person, there is usually live audio and jabber chat hooked up into the presentations. See y'all there, next month, in one form or another. In the TSVAREA meeting, we've also set aside some time to talk about AQM and whether there's interest and energy to do some more specific work on AQM algs in the IETF (e.g. like CoDel and PIE): https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/86/agenda/tsvarea I'm working with Martin on some slides to seed the discussion, but we hope that it's mostly the community that we hear from, following up in the higher-bandwidth face-to-face time from the thread we had on the tsv-a...@ietf.org mailing list a few months ago. -- Wes Eddy MTI Systems ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list cerowrt-de...@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] some good bloat related stuff on the ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6
Two of the tests in my model based metrics draft (for IPPM) are for AQM (like) tests. One we have pretty good theory for (preventing standing queues in congestion avoidance) and the other we don't (exiting from slowstart at a reasonable window). See: draft-mathis-ippm-model-based-metrics-01.txt My intent is that these tests will become part of a future IPPM standard on what a network must do in order to support modern applications at specific performance levels. Although the draft will not specify AQM algorithms at all, it will forbid some non-AQM behaviors such as unreasonable standing queues. To the extent that it gets traction as a standard, it will strongly encourage deployment, even if we are not totally convinced that our current AQM algorithms are 100% correct. However, It is not clear that we need to standardize AQM - It strikes me as one area where we can permit pretty much unfettered diversity in the operational Internet as long as it meets a pretty low it seems to work bar. For this reason it is important to deploy your favorite algorithm(s) ASAP, because they are all infinitely better than none, and future improvements will be relatively minor by comparison. Thanks, --MM-- The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Alan Kay Privacy matters! We know from recent events that people are using our services to speak in defiance of unjust governments. We treat privacy and security as matters of life and death, because for some users, they are. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:47 AM, dpr...@reed.com wrote: A small suggestion. Instead of working on *algorithms*, focus on getting something actually *deployed* to fix the very real issues that we have today (preserving the option to upgrade later if need be). The folks who built the Internet (I was there, as you probably know) focused on making stuff that worked and interoperated, not publishing papers or RFCs. -Original Message- From: Wesley Eddy w...@mti-systems.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:11pm To: Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com Cc: bloat-annou...@lists.bufferbloat.net, Martin Stiemerling martin.stiemerl...@neclab.eu, cerowrt-de...@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] some good bloat related stuff on the ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6 On 2/28/2013 10:53 AM, Dave Taht wrote: For those that don't attend ietf meetings in person, there is usually live audio and jabber chat hooked up into the presentations. See y'all there, next month, in one form or another. In the TSVAREA meeting, we've also set aside some time to talk about AQM and whether there's interest and energy to do some more specific work on AQM algs in the IETF (e.g. like CoDel and PIE): https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/86/agenda/tsvarea I'm working with Martin on some slides to seed the discussion, but we hope that it's mostly the community that we hear from, following up in the higher-bandwidth face-to-face time from the thread we had on the tsv-a...@ietf.org mailing list a few months ago. -- Wes Eddy MTI Systems ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list cerowrt-de...@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
