[Bloat] Phoronix: Linux 5.9 to allow FQ_PIE as default
Is there any "there" here? https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1193738-linux-5-9-to-allow-defaulting-to-fq-pie-queuing-discipline-for-fighting-bufferbloat Thanks. ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] Phoronix: Linux 5.9 to allow FQ_PIE as default
Rich Brown writes: > Is there any "there" here? I'm sorry, what? :) > https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1193738-linux-5-9-to-allow-defaulting-to-fq-pie-queuing-discipline-for-fighting-bufferbloat As far as the patch, allowing fq_pie as default makes sense in that it is a "works with defaults" type of qdisc. Which as also the reason used in the patch IIRC. Not sure why anyone would *want* to run it as default over fq_codel; but TBH I have never tried it either, so... *shrugs* :) -Toke ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] Phoronix: Linux 5.9 to allow FQ_PIE as default
I was asking whether there was anything "there" (that is, interesting) in that Phoronix posting / Linux announcement. > On Jul 15, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > >> Is there any "there" here? > > I'm sorry, what? :) Sorry, this is a reference to Gertrude Stein's quote... See Wiktionary - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/there_is_no_there_there Rich___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] Phoronix: Linux 5.9 to allow FQ_PIE as default
Are there any major differences between fq_codel and fq_pie in terms of their performance? And how does the improved fq_codel called cobalt, which is used in cake, stack up?___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] Phoronix: Linux 5.9 to allow FQ_PIE as default
> On 16 Jul, 2020, at 12:58 am, Michael Yartys via Bloat > wrote: > > Are there any major differences between fq_codel and fq_pie in terms of their > performance? I think some tests were run some time ago which showed significantly better behaviour by fq_codel than fq_pie. In particular, the latter used only a single AQM instead of an independent one for each flow. I'm not sure whether it's been changed since then. The only advantage I can see for PIE over Codel is, possibly, a reduction of system load for use of the AQM. But fq_codel is already pretty efficient so that would be an edge case. In any case, it is already possible to chose any qdisc you like (with default parameters) as the default qdisc. I'm really not sure what the fuss is about. > And how does the improved fq_codel called cobalt, which is used in cake, > stack up? COBALT has some modifications to basic Codel which, I think, could profitably be backported into fq_codel. It also has a particular extra mode, based on BLUE, for dealing with unresponsive traffic (that continued to build queue even after lots of ECN signalling and/or Cdel-scheduled packet drops). It is the latter which inspired the name. For the other major functional component of fq_codel, Cake also has a set-associative hash function for allocating flows into queues, which substantially reduces the probability of hash collisions in most cases. - Jonathan Morton ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
