Re: [Bloat] broadband cost analysis
Dave Taht wrote: > Looking at figure 7 (non-adoption rates by age group), nearly 30% of > those under 30 do not have fixed broadband. From an informal survey of > those I know in that age range, they are primarily dependent on their > cell phones, cannot live at a fixed address for long enough to adopt There is another group that live with roomates, and whose roomates control the broadband, either for reasons of distrust, or because of who is competent and who is not. I think that those groups could also really benefit from reductions in bufferbloat because they basically can't control what their roomates do. The "Fair" in FQ is pretty important. > fixed broadband solutions, and go to coffee shops and libraries (and > the office) to get their connectivity. I am kind of curious as to the > trendline here - a cellphone is a must for this generation, quality > fixed internet merely a nice to have. In Canada, rates are sufficiently high until you get to unlimited tier that young people can not affort to stream video on their mobiles. The kids you see on the subway streaming continuously have rich parents with unlimited family plans. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] broadband cost analysis
One item to consider re: costs. My rural NH town just installed fiber to run past all premises. A quick estimate of total capital cost uses two numbers: - $40K/mile to hang the fiber on existing utility poles on the road - $2K-$4K per premise for the drop cable from the pole and the router in the premise > On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Dave Taht via Rpm > wrote: > > Looking at figure 7 (non-adoption rates by age group), nearly 30% of > those under 30 do not have fixed broadband. > From an informal survey of those I know in that age range, they are > primarily dependent on their cell phones, > cannot live at a fixed address for long enough to adopt fixed > broadband solutions, and go to coffee shops and > libraries (and the office) to get their connectivity. I am kind of > curious as to the trendline here - a cellphone is a must > for this generation, quality fixed internet merely a nice to have. > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:18 AM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> pretty good: >> >> https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f5282b71117310d16e654d3/t/6256eb4efbb468024f396969/1649863506445/Toward+Effective+Administration+of+State+and+Local+Fixed+Broadband+Programs+-+04.12.22+Final+Report.pdf >> >> My lowball cost estimate for "better, recycled routers" would be >> somewhere in the 20 dollar range for the 25/3mbit segment, which >> depending on how you do the math per above is somewhere between 10 and >> 65 million people. >> >> It would be cool to have good bufferbloat statistics for the 25/3mbit >> portion of the population. >> >> -- >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > -- > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > ___ > Rpm mailing list > r...@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
Re: [Bloat] broadband cost analysis
Looking at figure 7 (non-adoption rates by age group), nearly 30% of those under 30 do not have fixed broadband. From an informal survey of those I know in that age range, they are primarily dependent on their cell phones, cannot live at a fixed address for long enough to adopt fixed broadband solutions, and go to coffee shops and libraries (and the office) to get their connectivity. I am kind of curious as to the trendline here - a cellphone is a must for this generation, quality fixed internet merely a nice to have. On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:18 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > pretty good: > > https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f5282b71117310d16e654d3/t/6256eb4efbb468024f396969/1649863506445/Toward+Effective+Administration+of+State+and+Local+Fixed+Broadband+Programs+-+04.12.22+Final+Report.pdf > > My lowball cost estimate for "better, recycled routers" would be > somewhere in the 20 dollar range for the 25/3mbit segment, which > depending on how you do the math per above is somewhere between 10 and > 65 million people. > > It would be cool to have good bufferbloat statistics for the 25/3mbit > portion of the population. > > -- > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
[Bloat] broadband cost analysis
pretty good: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f5282b71117310d16e654d3/t/6256eb4efbb468024f396969/1649863506445/Toward+Effective+Administration+of+State+and+Local+Fixed+Broadband+Programs+-+04.12.22+Final+Report.pdf My lowball cost estimate for "better, recycled routers" would be somewhere in the 20 dollar range for the 25/3mbit segment, which depending on how you do the math per above is somewhere between 10 and 65 million people. It would be cool to have good bufferbloat statistics for the 25/3mbit portion of the population. -- I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
