[BlueOnyx:26556] Re: backup all DNS records of a specific domain
perfect! works out! removing and reinstalling ok. Thank you Michael! で⊃ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 On 26.10.23 09:36, Michael Stauber via Blueonyx wrote: Hi Meaulnes, After having transferred a domain to another domain host, I wanted to delete its DNS entries on my server in Server Management > Network Services > DNS > Select Domain... Is there a way to previously backup all the records of that domain in one go for easy restore? Of course I could copy all the records as text files and restore them manually if required, but maybe there is a more efficient way? In that case the easiest way would be to back up the DNS Zone files themselves. You can find them in this directory on the BlueOnyx: /var/named/chroot/var/named/ If the Vsite was named company.com, then these will be the files you need to backup: /var/named/chroot/var/named/db.company.com /var/named/chroot/var/named/db.company.com~ /var/named/chroot/var/named/db.company.com.include If need be, you can import the DNS again form them by pointing /usr/sausalito/sbin/dnsImport.pl to the directory where you have these files. ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26554] backup all DNS records of a specific domain
hello After having transferred a domain to another domain host, I wanted to delete its DNS entries on my server in Server Management > Network Services > DNS > Select Domain... Is there a way to previously backup all the records of that domain in one go for easy restore? Of course I could copy all the records as text files and restore them manually if required, but maybe there is a more efficient way? Thank you and best regards で⊃ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26494] Re: POP sent to IMAP sent
thank you all okaaay, me old man will comply and use the /en vogue/ IMAP best regards で⊃ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 On 19.09.23 06:14, Michael Stauber via Blueonyx wrote: Hi Meaulnes, I guess all of you guys use IMAP on all of your computers, so you don't have this problem... I was looking for a solution for fetching my Sent folder contents automatically from my office desktop computer to the remote Sent folder on the server. Like Taco and Chris have already mentioned: This day and age IMAP is really the best choice if you want to use the same account on multiple devices AND have all emails (sent and received) accessible everywhere. I was in the same boat many years ago and was still using POP3 on an important account. Eventually it really became too much of an hassle when using multiple devices for checking emails. Here is what I did: In Thunderbird I disabled the account that was still using POP3 and excluded it from being checked. I also renamed it to "usern...@server.com (POP3)" to make it really obvious: That's one old one. Then I recreated the account in Thunderbird (using the same server, username and password), but configured it to use IMAP instead. That way I now had two configurations in the email client for the very same account: An active one using IMAP, and a disabled one that used to use POP3 before it got disabled and was now excluded from regular email checks. Now there were a few recent messages (and replies of mine) that I wanted to be present on the server and accessible via IMAP. So in Thunderbird I selected those messages and copied them from the disabled POP3 account to the now active IMAP account. Which then uploaded the messages via IMAP to the server. Then I set up a sensible folder structure and sorted the messages into the right folders. If there were still a message older than that which I needed? I still had the old POP3 account data in Thunderbird and could fetch 'em from there. So it's really not too much hassle to switch from POP3 to IMAP in the email-client. To the contrary: That little discomfort during the switch is repaid tenfold from there on. Also, when you do this: Email clients usually also allow you to configure how long they keep messages on the server before deleting them there, or what to do with messages after that expiry date. Especially with IMAP (which usually leaves emails on the server) you should set up some sensible expunging or archiving. Depending on the accounts typical usage I leave emails on the server for a few days or so and then archive them into either an IMAP folder on the server, or a local folder on my PC. ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26479] Re: POP sent to IMAP sent
thank you Michael Yes I know it's an e-mail client thing, you can/have to instruct the app to keep a copy of the message in the Sent folder... Most e-mail clients can do this. Let me define my problem in another way: using a POP-account on my office desktop computer, I can instruct the e-mail client (TB in my case) to keep a copy of the sent message in the *local folder on the office desktop computer*, but only there — I can't tell TB to have a copy *in the Sent folder on the remote server*. Only an IMAP-account can do this. I guess all of you guys use IMAP on all of your computers, so you don't have this problem... I was looking for a solution for fetching my Sent folder contents automatically from my office desktop computer to the remote Sent folder on the server. Thanks and best regards .. Meaulnes Legler ⌣ Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 On 14.09.23 17:51, Michael Stauber via Blueonyx wrote: Hi Meaulnes, You probably also were confronted with this situation: you left your office (where you use a desktop computer with a POP account) in a rush with your laptop under the arm. On the road, you miss the latest e-mails you sent, because there aren't in the IMAP Sent folder of that same account, they are in the POP Sent folder in your office. By sending an e-mail from the office computer using a POP account, the mail client files a copy into the Sent folder. Is there a way to have the same copy in the IMAP's Sent folder on the server, too? It would then be visible on the laptop... Any ideas? Actually this is entirely a client side issue. Emails are sent with SMTP or SMTPS. Not POP3 or IMAP. When an email is being sent, no copy is store anywhere. It comes in by SMTP(S) and goes out by SMTP(S). Done. However: You can configure your email client(s) to keep a copy of the email. Either locally, or in a folder on the server. WHICH folder it uses to store the email can usually be configured somewhere. But there are also varying defaults such as "sent", "sent-email", "sent-mail" - even with varying capitalization. That entirely depends on the email client. When you then access this mailbox with another client, that client may have different settings as to IF it stores sent emails and WHERE it does that. This is easy to solve. Check your email client settings and make sure they all store sent emails in the same place. Also: Check which IMAP folders your email client is subscribed to. It could be that all you need is to include the "other" sent-email folder in your subscriptions to make it visible in the other email client. ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26374] Re: Outlook cannot deliver to BO
On 29.07.23 17:16, Michael Stauber via Blueonyx wrote: Hi Meaulnes, I don't have Outlook, so I can't test this. neither do I, but we are talking about the SMTP server at outlook.com, not about the Outlook mail client, right? The relevant part of the error message is this: 7/13/2023 12:54:33 PM - Server at voncastelberg.com (94.103.99.71) returned '450 4.4.316 Connection refused [Message=Socket error code 10061] [LastAttemptedServerName=voncastelberg.com] So the connection was refused on the BlueOnyx. But why was it refused? To know the exact issue we'd need the related log entries from /var/log/maillog that were written when Outlook tried to deliver this email. That would tell us what we'd need to know in order to troubleshoot this further. But looking at the date? The logs might already be gone, so better check real quick and see if you still have 'em. Well, as you suspected, the mail logs are gone, the oldest ones left are in /var/log/maillog-20230716.gz and the relevant mail was on 20230713... So I'll have to wait for the next occurrence of a connection refused by BO. Thank you and best regards .. Meaulnes Legler ⌣ Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26372] Outlook cannot deliver to BO
hi Blues :-) this was the greeting Dick Dolby used in his mail dated 27.01.2020: *[BlueOnyx:23611] Outlook email not being delivered* Seeking for a solution because users of mine repeatedly reported the same problem having Outlook blocked, I searched in the maillist and found Dick's e-mail. Back then, his mail has not been answered. Senders hosted at outlook.com are having their e-mails sent to a user hosted on a BO-box deferred with an error message like : 7/13/2023 1:04:47 PM - Server at PAXP194MB1359.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM returned '550 5.4.316 Message expired, connection refused(Socket error code 10061)' 7/13/2023 12:54:33 PM - Server at voncastelberg.com (94.103.99.71) returned '450 4.4.316 Connection refused [Message=Socket error code 10061] [LastAttemptedServerName=voncastelberg.com] [LastAttemptedIP=94.103.99.71:25] [SmtpSecurity=-2;-2] [AM7EUR03FT045.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com2023-07-13T12:54:47.218Z 08DB837809C57466](Socket error code 10061)' The entire undeliverable message follows at the end, attached is also Dick's one dated 27.01.2020. The recipient's address on my BO is ok and not blacklisted, sending to that address from other SMTP-servers like gmail works fine What is blocking messages coming from outlook.com? Is it a configuration in postfix? Thank you and best regards .. Meaulnes Legler ⌣ Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 I'm on *Wire* as @meaulnes — https://get.wire.com/ /no more Whatzap and so on!/ error message from my user, Dick's one further down Fehler bei der Nachrichtenzustellung an folgende Empfänger oder Gruppen: Ihre Nachricht wurde nicht zugestellt. Trotz wiederholter Zustellversuche für Ihre Nachricht hat das E-Mail-System des Empfängers die Annahme einer Verbindung von Ihrem E-Mail-System verweigert. Wenden Sie sich auf andere Weise (z. B. telefonisch) an den Empfänger, und bitten Sie ihn, seinem E-Mail-Administrator mitzuteilen, dass sein E-Mail-System Verbindungen von Ihrem E-Mail-Server verweigert. Teilen Sie ihm die unten angezeigten Fehlerdetails mit. Es ist wahrscheinlich, dass der E-Mail-Administrator des Empfängers der einzige ist, der dieses Problem beheben kann. Für E-Mail-Administratoren: Es konnte keine Verbindung hergestellt werden, weil der Zielcomputer diese aktiv verweigert hat. Die Ursache hierfür ist normalerweise, dass versucht wird, eine Verbindung mit einem Dienst herzustellen, der auf dem Remotehost nicht aktiv ist – d. h. einem, auf dem keine Serveranwendung ausgeführt wird. Weitere Informationen und Tipps zur Behebung dieses Problems finden Sie in diesem Artikel: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=389361. Diagnoseinformationen für Administratoren: Generierender Server: PAXP194MB1359.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM Empfangender Server: PAXP194MB1359.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM m...@voncastelberg.com 7/13/2023 1:04:47 PM - Server at PAXP194MB1359.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM returned '550 5.4.316 Message expired, connection refused(Socket error code 10061)' 7/13/2023 12:54:33 PM - Server at voncastelberg.com (94.103.99.71) returned '450 4.4.316 Connection refused [Message=Socket error code 10061] [LastAttemptedServerName=voncastelberg.com] [LastAttemptedIP=94.103.99.71:25] [SmtpSecurity=-2;-2] [AM7EUR03FT045.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com2023-07-13T12:54:47.218Z 08DB837809C57466](Socket error code 10061)' Ursprüngliche Nachrichtenköpfe: Received: from AS8P194MB1271.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:20b:3c0::11) by PAXP194MB1359.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:102:1a3::17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.6588.20; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 01:02:51 + ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=m6U60uVieG+CFThOZ0lQVD5g1+7YLIy0yfY0jjmA4+jsC9M8V8CTmQ9hiSYuv0TUQk0Z8XbITCzLkDERnMPqHu03frKkp5beORGWDQDCkNrv0RK9SvWdwghFcFMfdsliF2FvQsU/Hk+VpmzJHSCMt450Nas23lSPn1dFls3MS8jXKpj9ZavKLoyccKRZ72V2KEbiAFda/BO/DP+++dkml/62e/a/EMoYRFNQPHRQ84fUHyQ5U3nhxfcCoCuWntNZsoN2KWs4dX5FbryaZy9djXS4iMHQReLvlWVqOMG9vz0NduwMGy0PSAthq1hpjZtUlsNRq7AubKjhKJW62FwsYQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=gKWDihxcSBeTHhUa78L+y0oit95eJoT+0w6F5wh4QJU=; b=KJimbAfOOTSYkGnzxrRSpM2Nc3wiaL7rXHul9fiE+xIj/UA8btdOX71dpMz72ZA3Aoe92mqXEWp4i48Kj5+EkFRKCxxwtoZV2LGu2wSynDIgm3IB28/gYmJ7S225u10m3HRN3ldIaJabGaZEZ9otHwevTtfJzIoRdQZH6UFOL7248wn+S+AUqBPldxX2hvVrHCjZ0m6RJjAqct2Kic+QF3/MlkURKsx1zSoqjbfFMTBsYE4eYeD0FdB7IYJSVUUEJ8TLNFSQsNNNRYMHcqvfDbaTeGAWCyKuqIugDf38AhqQ5BpOWBV1k+V8YoviUbE53ZeZJsGHdbBZmOeLdwOv9Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=
[BlueOnyx:26343] Re: Backscatter / user not found bounce
hi I have the same question: On 02.07.23 21:45, Colin Jack via Blueonyx wrote: Hi Michael, 2.) Enable and configure SPF and switch it to "Sign & Verify" mode This checks the SPF records of sender domains and if the senders IP is not within the SPF records published by say hotmail.com, then the email will be rejected at the MTA w/o bounce and NDN. This may be a doh! question but where do I set this? I can only see DKIM in the settings on the GUI. Thanks Colin Thank you and best regards で⊃ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26321] Re: negative AV-Spam score
Michael and Juerg, thanks for the replies. But I think my previously exposed solution doesn't resolve the problem sustainably, it won't work anymore if the hacker changes his bitcoin address. Can someone help me to set up a rule that recognizes *the same from and to address* in the header? I'm not very skilled for this... From: To: Subject: Your account is hacked. Your data is stolen. Learn how to regain access. I don't want to take @waveweb.ch out of the Welcomelist/Whitelist, it's where the users on my servers write to. A rule that would catch if from and to addresses are the same and then set a very high score would fix my problem. Thank you and best regards で⊃ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 On 22.06.23 19:05, Michael Stauber via Blueonyx wrote: Hi Juerg and Meaulnes, Rules are documented in the files Larry told you, maybe in another directory, but you can search for the filenames. Do not change the score in this file, because this files will be replaced after an update. You can create new score in the file you create your own rules (because I don't use the plugin I don't know it's location). Simple add a line: score BAYES_00 -4 to overwrite score for BAYES_00. Basically it works like this: You can place your own (server wide) rules or score changes in a new file the directory /etc/mail/spamassassin/ Make sure the file name ends with *.cf and then do a "systemctl restart spamassassin" to put it into effect. As long as you don't modify an existing file your own changes will survive through AV-SPAM and SpamAssassin updates. User rules (which apply only to a single specific user) are located in ~username/.spamassassin/user_rules and there is a GUI editor to modify them. ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26314] Re: negative AV-Spam score
thank you Jürg, now I found the catch: This clever jerk managed to send his blackmailing spam *from and to* my server administrator address. And since my server administrator address is in the whitelist (sorry! now politically correct: in the welcomelist:-) because I don't want to have my users to be blocklisted when I write them something, the e-mail got presumably this high negative score of -61.5 You might have noticed this HackersBitcoinAddress rule in the X-Spam-Status, it's a rule I created with this cool BO «SpamAssassin Rule Editor» in AV-Spam. In this rule, I inserted the long bitcoin wallet address (as Expression) to be searched in the message body. I gave it a score of 9. Now I increased the score to 100, hope that works out. Do you know where all those rules and their dedicated scores are listed? Can they be edited? Thank you and best regards で⊃ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland On 22.06.23 12:57, Juerg Sommer via Blueonyx wrote: Hi Meaulnes I'm confronted with a peculiar situation: spam slips untagged thru with a *negative* score X-Spam-Status: No, score=-61.5 required=5.0 tests=BITCOIN_DEADLINE, BITCOIN_MALF_HTML,BITCOIN_SPAM_07,DCC_CHECK,DIGEST_MULTIPLE, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX,FSL_BULK_SIG,HTML_EXTRA_CLOSE,HTML_MESSAGE, HackersBitcoinAddress,NO_FM_NAME_IP_HOSTN,PDS_BTC_ID,PYZOR_CHECK, RATS_NOPTR,RATWARE_NO_RDNS,RCVD_IN_PBL,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,RCVD_IN_XBL, RDNS_NONE,SBLXBL_SPAM,SPF_SOFTFAIL,TO_EQ_FM_DIRECT_MX,TXREP, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Relay-Country: TN what's wrong here? I set the Required Reject Hits to 9 instead of 10 and that mail shouldn't have appeared at all if the score had been 61.5, but positive! How does it turn negative? That's normal. SpamAssasin gives positive and negative points based on rules. There are some rules that indicates harmless mails (ex. BAYES score 1-10%), in your case USER_IN_WELCOMELIST and USER_IN_WHITELIST. And some other rules, hat indicates spam like BITCOIN_DEADLINE. If the sum of all affected rules is greater than the defined score, the mail is marked as spam. I don't know/use the BlueOnyx plugin for spam scanning. Perhaps you can define your Welcome-List Addresses in the gui and should check if this sender address is whitelisted. There's maybe a missconfiguration, but negative points are not generally a problem. BTW: SpamAssassin has changed their wording (like many other companies). Whitelist is now welcomelist, blacklist is blocklist. So one of the rules above would be an alias of the other and I don't know how it's named in the GUI. Best regards, Juerg ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26312] negative AV-Spam score
hello I'm confronted with a peculiar situation: spam slips untagged thru with a *negative* score X-Spam-Status: No, score=-61.5 required=5.0 tests=BITCOIN_DEADLINE, BITCOIN_MALF_HTML,BITCOIN_SPAM_07,DCC_CHECK,DIGEST_MULTIPLE, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX,FSL_BULK_SIG,HTML_EXTRA_CLOSE,HTML_MESSAGE, HackersBitcoinAddress,NO_FM_NAME_IP_HOSTN,PDS_BTC_ID,PYZOR_CHECK, RATS_NOPTR,RATWARE_NO_RDNS,RCVD_IN_PBL,RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS,RCVD_IN_XBL, RDNS_NONE,SBLXBL_SPAM,SPF_SOFTFAIL,TO_EQ_FM_DIRECT_MX,TXREP, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Relay-Country: TN what's wrong here? I set the Required Reject Hits to 9 instead of 10 and that mail shouldn't have appeared at all if the score had been 61.5, but positive! How does it turn negative? Thank you and best regards で⊃ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 I'm on *Wire* as @meaulnes — https://get.wire.com/ /no more Whatzap and so on!/ ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
[BlueOnyx:26284] Re: Continuing Support for BlueOnyx: Your Help Makes a Difference!
sorry dear Michael, but the payment form at https://www.blueonyx.it/donations doesn't accept payments from my Swiss AmEx credit card, it falls back to PayPal (that I hate) in the United States without the possibility to use a Swiss phone number... So let me know how I can proceed で⊃ Meaulnes Legler Zurich, Switzerland +41¦0 44 260-1660 I'm on *Wire* as @meaulnes — https://get.wire.com/ /no more Whatzap and so on!/ On 04.06.23 19:21, Michael Stauber via Blueonyx wrote: Dear BlueOnyx Community, I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to you today with a humble request for your support to ensure the continued development and sustainability of the BlueOnyx project. As you may know, BlueOnyx has always been an open-source endeavor, driven by the passion and dedication of individuals like yourself. Together, we have built a powerful and user-friendly platform that empowers countless users worldwide. Over the past year, I have dedicated my energy to the development and release of BlueOnyx 5211R, a remarkable milestone in our journey. I take great pride in this accomplishment, knowing it has been made possible by the collective efforts of our passionate community. It is also great to see that BlueOnyx 5211R found such widespread acceptance within our community and it has also attracted a small influx in new adopters. However, I want to be transparent about the challenges we are currently facing. The sales figures for our commercial add-ons at SOLARSPEED.NET, our associated company, have not met our expectations. This has put both the BlueOnyx project and our company in a position of uncertainty when it comes to financial sustainability. In part our generous licensing that allows to use our software on all supported BlueOnyx versions meant that even the widespread adoption of BlueOnyx 5211R didn’t significantly result in new software purchases, as licenses are transferable from an old server to a new one. Likewise: Easy-Migrate works so well, that our offered migration services from older to newer BlueOnyx versions are now hardly ever needed or requested, which culled another source of regular income. While we have made efforts to secure alternative sources of income, it is clear that we cannot continue without the support of our valued community members like you. Your contributions have always played a pivotal role in enabling us to provide a free and robust platform like BlueOnyx. Today, I am reaching out to kindly request your support once again. If you have found value in BlueOnyx and believe in the project's mission, I kindly request that you consider making a donation to support our ongoing efforts or consider making a purchase in the BlueOnyx shop. Maybe you have a license that needs renewal or would like to try some of our software that you so far haven’t purchased? Your contributions, whether through a one-time donation, a small purchase or a monthly commitment, can truly make a difference. To make a donation securely and conveniently or consider a software purchase, please visit our donation page or our online shop: https://www.blueonyx.it/donations https://shop.blueonyx.it I want to express my sincere gratitude to those who have already donated. Your generosity has been instrumental in our progress so far. Now, we humbly ask you to consider continuing your support and inspiring others to join our cause. Together, we can create a strong and sustainable foundation for BlueOnyx, fostering innovation and benefiting the entire community. If you are unable to contribute financially at this time, we completely understand. There are still meaningful ways to help, such as spreading awareness about BlueOnyx, sharing your success stories, or contributing your skills to further enhance the project. Your active participation and engagement are invaluable to our community's growth and success. Thank you for being a part of the BlueOnyx community and for considering our request. Together, we can overcome these challenges and continue building a platform that empowers individuals and businesses around the globe. -- With sincere appreciation, Michael Stauber BlueOnyx Project Lead ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx ___ Blueonyx mailing list Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx
