Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and "actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity"

2011-11-30 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Lionel,

 Original-Nachricht 
> Von: Lionel Elie Mamane 


> I'm reading the wiki page CommunityBylaws, and I'm confused. It says
> "These Bylaws do not apply to the actual structure and governance of
> The Document Foundation as a legal entity (...)".

Yes, (unfortunately) the current situation has some cunfusing points.

We all hope that this will be resolved within the next few (hopefully 
two) weeks.


> 
> But then they go on doing exactly that. For example, they explain how
> the Board of Directors is elected, and by whom. The board of directors
> is AFAIK usually the people responsible to the law / state / courts
> that e.g. the money of the foundation is used in accordance to the
> goals of the foundation. 

The Bylaws were drafted from a communitie's point of view, when we did
not exactly know, what legal model the foundation will follow.
So while many things in the bylaws match legal terms ans structure,
it is not _exactly_ what we will see in legal statutes.


> 
> 
> So to me, it is factual that the Bylaws *do* speak about the "actual
> structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal
> entity": they speak about the composition of the BoD, and the BoD is
> part of the structure of the foundation as a legal entity, and by law
> the BoD must be involved in the "governance of the foundation as a
> legal entity".

Yes, at some points, the bylaws match the legal structure, BoD is one
of the perfect (99%) matches.

> 
> 
> Other examples:
> 
>  * The Chairperson (CH) is in charge of representing the Foundation.

This is something we need to change, if the foundation will be approved
by German authorities.

As you quoted, in German law the Board (of directors) represents the
Foundation.

regards,

André

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[board-discuss] Reminder: next BoD call in 6 hours

2011-11-30 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

just a reminder: the next BoD call is in 6 hours. For more information, 
see yesterday's mail.


Florian

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Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and "actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity"

2011-11-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The key words afaik are "as a legal entity".  TDF's assets are currently being 
looked after by 1 (or more) of the community organisations that are legally 
registered as "legal entity"s.  TDF has not yet gained the status of being a 
"legal entity".  When it does the assets will be transferred.  It was great to 
hear that the registration process is nearly complete already!  I thought it 
would take at least a year! :)  But perhaps i am reading too much into Andre's 
post.
Regards from
Tom :) 



--- On Wed, 30/11/11, Andre Schnabel  wrote:

> From: Andre Schnabel 
> Subject: Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and "actual structure and 
> governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity"
> To: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 9:23
> Hi Lionel,
> 
>  Original-Nachricht 
> > Von: Lionel Elie Mamane 
> 
> 
> > I'm reading the wiki page CommunityBylaws, and I'm
> confused. It says
> > "These Bylaws do not apply to the actual structure and
> governance of
> > The Document Foundation as a legal entity (...)".
> 
> Yes, (unfortunately) the current situation has some
> cunfusing points.
> 
> We all hope that this will be resolved within the next few
> (hopefully 
> two) weeks.
> 
> 
> > 
> > But then they go on doing exactly that. For example,
> they explain how
> > the Board of Directors is elected, and by whom. The
> board of directors
> > is AFAIK usually the people responsible to the law /
> state / courts
> > that e.g. the money of the foundation is used in
> accordance to the
> > goals of the foundation. 
> 
> The Bylaws were drafted from a communitie's point of view,
> when we did
> not exactly know, what legal model the foundation will
> follow.
> So while many things in the bylaws match legal terms ans
> structure,
> it is not _exactly_ what we will see in legal statutes.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > So to me, it is factual that the Bylaws *do* speak
> about the "actual
> > structure and governance of The Document Foundation as
> a legal
> > entity": they speak about the composition of the BoD,
> and the BoD is
> > part of the structure of the foundation as a legal
> entity, and by law
> > the BoD must be involved in the "governance of the
> foundation as a
> > legal entity".
> 
> Yes, at some points, the bylaws match the legal structure,
> BoD is one
> of the perfect (99%) matches.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Other examples:
> > 
> >  * The Chairperson (CH) is in charge of
> representing the Foundation.
> 
> This is something we need to change, if the foundation will
> be approved
> by German authorities.
> 
> As you quoted, in German law the Board (of directors)
> represents the
> Foundation.
> 
> regards,
> 
> André
> 
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